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In this lively, idea-packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem chat with Dr Shelley Newstead about the roots and reality of playwork. Shelley traces adventure playgrounds from Sorensen in Denmark to Lady Allen in post-war Britain, then explains her PARS playwork model that helps adults articulate what they are doing and why. Expect thoughtful links to Forest School practice, clear language for talking to schools and parents, and practical insight on when to step in and when to stand back. They also tackle funding priorities, teens and play, and how to keep practice reflexive rather than nostalgic.SponsorsTENTSILE — Tree tents for educators and explorers. Listeners get 10% off with code ForestChildren10.Chris Holland — Nature connection resources including his 54-page plant guide. Use our affiliate link: https://chrisholland.myshopify.com/?ref=ForestSchoolPodcast⏱ Chapter Timings00:00 – Cold open and the promise to keep it normal01:06 – Meet Dr Shelley Newstead and what playwork is really about03:18 – From practitioner to PhD and why articulation matters07:15 – A playwork perspective explained11:44 – Sorensen, Lady Allen, and the rise of adventure playgrounds18:26 – Grassroots growth and reinventing the wheel24:19 – The PARS model for articulating, developing, and evaluating practice32:37 – PARS hats for parents and practitioners44:17 – Forest School and playwork, overlap and differences51:41 – Funding fixed parks versus community play and provision for teens🌲 KeywordsPlaywork history, adventure playgrounds, Sorensen, Lady Allen, PARS model, reflexive practice, articulation of practice, Forest School and playwork, teen play, community provision🔖 Hashtags#ForestSchool #Playwork #OutdoorEducation #ReflectivePractice #ChildLedLearning🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9🌐 More Episodes & SupportListen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this lively Ludo Botany special, we explore tree climbing as play, practice, and design. Lewis brings fresh research on branch collars, spacing, and load strength while Gemma brings lived experience on how different trees invite different kinds of movement. From laurel and rhododendron “nest” trees to coppice stools and swooping live-oak ramps, they unpack species, shapes, and access. The chat ranges across myths and heuristics, defender branches, orthotropic versus horizontal shoots, group dynamics in shared trees, how adult presence changes the climb, and why our bodies feel different in trees compared with ladders. It wraps with a community callout for your best natural loose parts for the next Ludo Botany episode. 🌳⏱ Chapter Timings00:44 – New cold open, studio fidgets, and scene-setting02:30 – Ludo Botany focus: tree climbing, research versus lived experience06:16 – Myths to mechanics: collar development, spacing, and those wrist-width rules12:34 – Trees on slopes, branch distribution, and what that means for access15:09 – Defender branches, orthotropic versus horizontal shoots, and bark wear20:19 – “Nest” trees and fallen logs: comfort, horizontality, and play worlds23:14 – Species and cultivation: coppice, mini-pollards, and live-oak style ramps33:25 – Adult gaze, crowding, etiquette, and height as status in shared trees37:30 – Bodies and brains: startle reflex, evolution, and why trees beat ladders54:31 – Next up: loose parts callout and how to send in voice notes🌲 Keywords: Ludo Botany, tree climbing, branch collar strength, defender branches, orthotropic shoots, coppice and pollard, live oaks, laurel and rhododendron nests, group dynamics, inclusive play design🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9🔖 Hashtags:#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #NaturePlay #TreeClimbing #LudoBotany🌐 More Episodes & Support:Listen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this lively, reflective episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis, Wem, and guest Lily pick apart the famous “three look afters” and ask a bigger question: who’s allowed to fail at Forest School, and how do we help people fail well? From cartilage kneecaps and Mr Potato Head jokes to space holding, autonomy versus community, and that dreaded “shit spoon” moment, they explore boundaries, blame versus shame, and how to create conditions where struggle leads to learning rather than humiliation. Expect practical facilitation nuance, philosophical detours, and a few perfect tangents about tracksuits.⏱ Chapter Timings00:00 – Cold open: kneecaps, bandagraphs, and Mr Potato Heads03:14 – Axing the “three look afters”: demands, agency, and who can fail06:06 – Flattened hierarchies or hidden authority: responsibility in practice10:38 – Boundaries, safety, and culture shift for new groups14:49 – Space holding, low-demand setups, and modelling altruism21:27 – Failing well: conditions for struggle without humiliation25:22 – Nunchi: reading the room and tailoring support28:56 – Relational failure, shame versus guilt, and belonging49:22 – Process over product: the “shit spoon” and reframing success1:05:00 – Lily’s trainings, FSA roadshows, and resources🌲 KeywordsForest School agreements, failing well, autonomy vs community, space holding, shame vs blame, boundaries and safety, facilitator judgement, process over product, reflective practice, learner agency🔖 Hashtags#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #ReflectivePractice #CommunityLearning #NaturePlay🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9🌐 More Episodes & SupportListen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected] in this episode:Animated “What is failure?” video discussed: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CVvtkueZU/?mibextid=wwXIfr

In this lively, idea packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem move from Halloween chatter to a full nature reset. Wales waterfalls, Pen y Fan, Regent’s Park squirrels, and the deer rut at Richmond Park set the scene for a deeper dive. Lewis picks up Ludo Botany again and invites listeners to help build a new series, starting with tree climbing. The pair then unpack a Finnish trial that “rewilded” kindergartens with real forest floor to boost children’s microbiomes, compare new Australian findings, and explore equity, ethics, hygiene practice, and culture change. A new original song appears too. It is written from the viewpoint of an oak tree watching its acorns become craft supplies. 🌳⏱ Chapter Timings00:00 – Patreon intro and scene setting01:12 – Halloween, Wales waterfalls, Pen y Fan, London parks, and the deer rut07:02 – Ludo Botany returns and a listener call out for tree climbing nominations09:21 – New song premiere about acorns and seasonal crafting13:28 – Finland’s “forest floor in preschool” study and children’s microbiomes20:12 – Australian follow up and wider wellbeing gains beyond health22:55 – Mud as equity and even an academic intervention for learners26:30 – Ethics and longevity of transplanted soil and maintenance questions33:22 – Practicalities in settings: hygiene, thresholds, roles, and risk benefit35:56 – Alternatives: link settings to real woodlands and use green hedges to cut pollution🌲 KeywordsForest School, microbiome play, rewilded kindergartens, Finnish early years, Australian study, loose parts, hygiene thresholds, equity in education, tree climbing, Ludo Botany, Richmond Park deer rut, Welsh waterfalls🔖 Hashtags#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #NaturePlay #EarlyYears #ChildDevelopment🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9📚 Article and studies mentionedGuardian feature: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/29/soil-sandpit-children-dirty-biodiversity-finnish-nurseries-research-microbes-bacteria-aoeFinnish intervention study (Science Advances, 2020): https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aba2578Open-access version: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7556828/Australian childcare soil microbiome study (2024): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38583619/Flinders news summary: https://news.flinders.edu.au/blog/2024/06/18/dose-of-dirt-for-healthy-play/On playground pollution barriers with hedges: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/roadside-hedges-can-reduce-harmful-ultrafine-particle-pollution-around-schools and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-18509-w🌐 More Episodes & SupportListen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this reflective, good-humoured episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma wander from hornets and sweet chestnuts to big ideas in space design and session planning. They unpack a fresh “great board experiment” that swaps linear timetables for an Eight Shields-inspired planning wheel, then dive into a beautiful Japanese coffee-table book, The World Designed for Children, to ask how architecture can invite play. Along the way: apples, dehydrators, built-in play features, minimalism versus loose parts, logos and community identity, and a brand-new concept Lewis coins on air — Ludo Botany — matching kinds of play with specific plants and woodland management over time. It is a lively mix of practice, philosophy, and proper woodland gossip. 🌳⏱ Chapter Timings00:00 – Wind, wildlife, and sweet chestnuts: back in the woods03:10 – Glut season: apples, dehydration, and preserving abundance06:16 – The great board experiment: why ditch the linear plan08:20 – Planning with Eight Shields energies instead of activities11:21 – From checklists to a “spoked wheel”: transparency and crossing things out20:42 – The World Designed for Children: minimalist nurseries and built-in play24:54 – Ponds, sandpits, stairs you can climb: architecture as invitation29:16 – Loose parts, display culture, and what “the space is the resource” means34:36 – Brand, logos, patches, shared rituals: identity without uniforms45:06 – Introducing Ludo Botany and “plant baby plant”: designing for play yields🌲 KeywordsForest School planning, Eight Shields, session design, Japanese early years architecture, built-in play, loose parts, brand and community, reflective practice, woodland management, Ludo Botany🔖 Hashtags#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #ReflectivePractice #LooseParts #NaturePlay🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9🌐 More Episodes & SupportListen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this reflective, funny episode, Lewis and Gemma reunite in the same room, fresh from a Royal Forestry Society award and a whirlwind visit to Westonbirt Arboretum. Using the provocatively titled book *We Need Your Art: Stop ***ing Around and Make Something as a springboard, they unpack how Western culture sidelines creativity, why Forest School’s process-first ethos matters, and how to plan for failure with kinder self-talk. Expect talk of “shitty art” challenges, class and permission to fail, celebrating small milestones without slipping into praise economies, acorn milk experiments, squirrel mysteries, and the radical power of modelling silliness so children feel safe to try, tinker, and try again.TENTSILE — Tree tents that transform tricky ground into magical campouts. Listeners get 10% off with code ForestChildren10 at checkout.Chris Holland — Nature connection resources we genuinely rate. Explore his 54-page plant guide and more via our affiliate link: https://chrisholland.myshopify.com/?ref=ForestSchoolPodcast00:43 – Back together: RFS award, Westonbirt Arboretum, and “Square Oil” giggles04:24 – The book: bold Sharpie manifestos that kick you into making06:15 – Structure: reflective prompts, a two-week “make something daily” challenge, and looking back07:36 – Why Forest School is a curriculum-free haven for creativity, not metrics08:52 – How school and society infantilise art and push it to the margins11:44 – Product versus process: performances, gifts, and the “motivation soup”19:18 – Class, safety nets, and permission to fail in creative careers21:39 – Plan your self-talk for when you fail; modelling kinder language with parents33:26 – Celebrating small milestones together without turning joy into judgment52:32 – Stop at 80%: making endings easy, sustainable, and actually enjoyable🌲 Keywords: Forest School creativity, process-focused learning, failure and self-talk, celebrating milestones, class and creativity, modelling silliness, acorn processing, non-judgemental spaces, child-led practice, practitioner reflectionSpotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9🔖 Hashtags:#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #ProcessOverProduct #CreativeConfidence #NatureBasedLearning🌐 More episodes and support:Listen and find resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected] and partners⏱ Chapter timings🎧 Catch the full episode:

A heartfelt conversation with Mell Harrison about Kinda Education’s plan to become the new custodians of Ringsfield Hall and bring a living school to life. We explore the vision, the sociocratic way of working, multi-generational learning in practice, and the immediate ways listeners can help.TENTSILE: Outdoor leaders save 10% with code ForestChildren10 on tree tents and hammocks.Chris Holland: Get the 54-page plant guide with our exclusive discount and support the show: https://chrisholland.myshopify.com/?ref=ForestSchoolPodcastDonate or fundraise nowCrowdfunder main page: https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/help-kinda-education-save-ringsfield-hall Crowdfunder UKCreate a supporter fundraiser page: https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/help-kinda-education-save-ringsfield-hall/multiply Crowdfunder UKLearn about the projectKinda Education’s Ringsfield vision and plan: https://www.kindaeducation.org.uk/ringsfield Kinda EducationKinda Education homepage: https://www.kindaeducation.org.uk/ Kinda EducationFollow and share updatesKinda Education on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KindaEducation/ FacebookLaunch post about saving Ringsfield Hall: https://www.facebook.com/KindaEducation/posts/1409356451195227/ FacebookKinda Education video update: https://www.facebook.com/KindaEducation/videos/1935777910328794/ FacebookInstagram fundraiser reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPUEKUOiEew/ InstagramInstagram update post: https://www.instagram.com/p/DPD3MvzDZ9K/ InstagramRingsfield Hall on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ringsfieldhall/ InstagramRingsfield Hall on X: https://x.com/ringsfieldhall X (formerly Twitter)Donate or start a mini fundraiser on the crowdfunder.Share the crowdfunder link and the Instagram reel in your groups.Follow Kinda Education on Facebook and Instagram to boost reach.If you have relevant skills or local knowledge, contact Kinda via the website.00:00 Intro and why this matters02:31 Mell’s background and the roots of Kinda07:30 The project reveal and why Ringsfield Hall13:39 How the living school will work day to day16:26 What living curriculum means in practice19:47 Working with different stakeholders through clear layers23:32 Social impact, elders, and a transferable model27:50 Momentum in alternative education and home education31:49 Starting points for new projects and sociocracy37:07 The crowdfunder and immediate next steps#ForestSchool #AlternativeEducation #HomeEducation #OutdoorLearning #NatureConnection #Sociocracy #CommunityEducation #SEND #TraumaInformed #RingsfieldHall #KindaEducationSponsors and supporter perksListen and take actionHow to help in two minutesChapter timings

In this calm, reflective conversation, Lewis and Wem sit down with play worker and artist Max Alexander of Play Radical to explore autistic play as a joyful, valid, and richly varied landscape. Max shares how one to one playwork can reconnect isolated young people to authentic play, why reflection habits from nursing training shaped their practice, and how non extractive documentation like session haiku can honour privacy while communicating value. The trio unpack the difference between rigid taxonomies and Max’s lighter play shapes, discuss why autistic play matters for wellbeing today rather than only for future outcomes, and explore practitioner shorthand that helps teams notice and scaffold emerging shapes. The second half turns to adult play, instincts, and the social barriers that police how bodies move in public. The result is a practical and humane guide to noticing more, intervening less, and creating space where play can breathe.TENTSILE is supporting this episode. Forest School leaders can get 10 percent off a Stingray tree tent with the code ForestChildren10 at checkout.Chris Holland is also supporting this episode. Grab his 54 page plant guide with our affiliate link and discount: https://chrisholland.myshopify.com/?ref=ForestSchoolPodcast00:43 Windy morning intro and Max joins the chat02:11 What Play Radical is and how Max works across roles03:47 One to one playwork and inclusion for isolated autistic children05:22 From nursing to The Yard and how practice took shape08:03 Reflection habits and a commitment to accessible information13:06 Haiku as non extractive documentation and a live example16:25 Play shapes versus taxonomies and how to hold them lightly22:34 Why autistic play matters for wellbeing and joy right now23:26 Practitioner shorthand and supporting emerging shapes33:42 Adult play instincts and barriers in public spacesAutistic play, play shapes, neurodiversity, inclusive playwork, one to one playwork, reflective practice, haiku documentation, Forest School, Bob Hughes play types, practitioner shorthand, adult play, privacy in play, anti ableism, teen play, Play Radical, The Yard Edinburgh🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9#ForestSchool #AutisticPlay #OutdoorEducation #ReflectivePractice #Neurodiversity🌐 More Episodes and SupportListen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastFor questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this warm, idea-packed episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem move from personal updates to a deep dive on resilience. Using Looby McNamara’s Cultural Emergence and Chris Johnstone’s framing, they explore recovery, adaptive, transformative, and spreading resilience. They challenge the “just power through” myth, contrast perseverance with true resilience, and look at how groups become more sustainable through transparency, shared roles, and flatter hierarchies. Expect practical examples from fire-lighting to policy writing, plus reflections on neurodivergence, school attendance narratives, and how adults can model resilience when there’s a supportive team around them.⏱ Chapter Timings:00:00 – Patreon intro and setting the scene for a busy month01:39 – London “bird orchestra,” road trip vibes, and upcoming FSA plans04:26 – What the FSA road shows are and why mini-conferences matter06:03 – Workshop picks: coil baskets, nature connection, and “dangerous toys”07:24 – A secret embargoed event, outfit chat, and Wem begins a PhD10:28 – Four types of resilience via Looby McNamara and Chris Johnstone12:53 – Oxford definitions: beyond “hardness” to bouncing and recovery20:12 – Adaptive resilience vs perseverance: the fire-lighting example22:42 – Community resilience: transparency, small teams, and avoiding burnout41:54 – Modelling resilience, flatter hierarchies, and support networks🌲 Keywords: Forest School resilience, Looby McNamara, Chris Johnstone, adaptive vs perseverance, community resilience, transparent roles, policies as pearls, neurodivergent perspectives, FSA road shows, outdoor learning practice🔖 Hashtags:#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #Resilience #CommunityLearning🌐 More Episodes & Support:Listen to more and access resources at www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community at www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcast🎧 Catch the full episode:Spotify: https://shorturl.at/4WdyIYouTube: https://shorturl.at/3qOUsApple: https://shorturl.at/FxfMFRSS: https://shorturl.at/A0kx9For questions, feedback, or collaboration: [email protected]

In this warm and curious episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Gemma sit down with historian and fibre artist Nicole DeRushie to explore her new book, Bog Fashion: Recreating Bronze and Iron Age Clothes. The conversation traces Nicole’s path from Forest School leader to public historian, then dives into experimental archaeology, everyday clothing in prehistory, women’s roles in textile innovation, and why craft skills like nalbinding still matter. Expect practical insight for educators who want to bring textiles into sessions, thoughtful reflections on value and labour, and plenty of joy in imperfect making. Note for listeners: this was a cloud recording so audio quality varies, yet the content is rich throughout.Sponsored byTENTSILE, makers of tree tents and hammocks that Forest School leaders love. Use code ForestChildren10 for 10% off at checkout.Chris Holland’s 54-page plant guide for outdoor educators. Get an exclusive discount through this link: https://chrisholland.myshopify.com/?ref=ForestSchoolPodcast⏱ Chapter Timings00:00 Patreon intro and why listener support keeps the show going01:11 Episode set up, Nicole’s book Bog Fashion, and what to expect02:42 From Forest School to public history, museums, and ancient craft practice07:53 Why Bronze and Iron Age clothing, and why bog finds matter for teaching13:29 Everyday lives over kings and dates, making museums feel lived in22:39 Who made the cloth, evidence, myths, and what we can and cannot claim31:32 The changing value of textiles, from household wealth to fast fashion37:58 The crafter’s triangle, learning through failure, and Forest School links49:11 Endangered crafts and nalbinding, how to keep skills alive1:05:17 Where to find Nicole and Bog Fashion, retailers, events, and Instagram🔗 Links from this episodeBog Fashion at ChronoCopia Publishing, book details and retailers: chronocopia.se/books/bog-fashion/ chronocopia.seNicole DeRushie on Instagram: instagram.com/grounded_history InstagramHeritage Crafts Red List overview: heritagecrafts.org.uk/skills/redlist Heritage CraftsNalbinding craft page, background and status: heritagecrafts.org.uk/craft/nalbinding Heritage CraftsMust Farm, Late Bronze Age settlement and textile context: mustfarm.com/bronze-age-settlement/about Must FarmAshmolean Museum shop listing among UK stockists, via publisher page: shop.ashmolean.org and chronocopia stockist list chronocopia.se🌲 Keywords: Bog Fashion, prehistoric textiles, experimental archaeology, nalbinding, heritage crafts, women and weaving, Bronze Age clothing, Iron Age clothing, Forest School activities, public history🔖 Hashtags:#ForestSchool #OutdoorEducation #BogFashion #PrehistoricTextiles #ExperimentalArchaeology #Nalbinding #HeritageCrafts #ChildLedLearning #CPD #NatureBasedLearning🌐 More Episodes and SupportListen to more and access resources: www.theforestschoolpodcast.comSupport the show and join our community: www.patreon.com/theforestschoolpodcastQuestions or collaboration: [email protected]