EP 40: Our Damaging Experiences With Conversion Therapy

Trigger Warning: This episode contains conversations about conversion therapy, psychological abuse, and self-harm. We share these stories to raise awareness and foster healing, but we recognize they may be difficult to hear. Please listen with care and step away if you need to. If you or someone you know is struggling, resources like The Trevor Project (1-866-488-7386) are available to provide support.   Conversion therapy survivor Syre Klenke speaks openly about the damaging impact of being forced into years of so-called “treatment” as a teenager and the depression that followed, while also showing how authenticity and community became a way forward. Joining John Corella, Syre recalls the shock of being taken to a conversion therapy conference under the guise of a family outing, the gaslighting he endured from both licensed therapists and church leaders, and the loss of everyday teenage milestones like dating and prom. These stories reveal how conversion therapy robs young people of their sense of safety and self, leaving scars that last well into adulthood. Yet Syre also reflects on the resilience it takes to survive, the courage to tell the truth, and the importance of building spaces where no one has to hide who they are. This episode confronts the damaging reality of conversion therapy while reminding us that healing is possible through honesty, courage, and community.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Welcome to Dance Dad with John Corella 01:26 Meet Syre Klenke: Comedian, Activist, Conversion Therapy Survivor 04:46 What Conversion Therapy Really Means and Why It’s Damaging 07:58 Surviving Four Years of Forced Conversion Therapy 12:05 Losing High School Milestones and Identity 18:43 The Most Traumatizing Moments of Conversion Therapy 27:49 Abuse and Self-Harm Tactics Inside Conversion Therapy 29:29 Mental Health Struggles and Depression Afterward 34:33 Religion, Patriarchy, and Gender Roles in Conversion Therapy 39:09 Why Survivor Stories Must Be Told 42:14 Conversion Therapy in Politics and the Supreme Court Case 01:04:30 The Boldest Act: Sharing Your Story Authentically   Connect with Syre Klenke: Instagram   Connect with John Corella: Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram John Corella on Instagram Patreon Website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Labor Day becomes a reminder that creativity and connection grow stronger when we pause, take breaks, and allow ourselves to just be.   John Corella takes this episode in a different direction, stepping back from the usual focus on dance and LGBTQ issues to reflect on what Labor Day really represents. Born out of union protests, the holiday was meant as a pause from constant work and a way to honor those who fought for fair treatment. How often do we give ourselves that same pause in our own lives? What happens when we step away from the noise of social media or the pull of endless tasks and simply let ourselves be present?    John shares how these small choices – to rest, to quiet the distractions, to notice the moment – make it easier to find presence on stage, in creativity, and in life. He also takes time to thank listeners and celebrate milestones in the Dance Dad community, reminding us that growth comes from more than effort alone. As summer comes to a close, this episode invites you to see Labor Day as a chance to recharge, reflect, and practice the art of being.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Labor Day Reflections 01:24 The Power of Breaks and Taking Time Off 03:33 Practicing Presence in Daily Life 05:09 End of Summer and Closing Gratitude   Links Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram John Corella on Instagram Patreon Website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Dance conventions can be magical or a ticking time bomb, and John Corella is here to spill the tea on which is which.   This episode isn’t just a summer recap, but a real conversation about what’s happening in the dance world. John shares his experience with Velocity. He opens up about his reunion with Dance Moms alum Melissa Gisoni and what it meant to see her step into her voice after all these years. There’s also a moment with Beyonce’s “dance dad” Frank Gatson that will make you think about how much real mentorship matters in this industry.    How do we choose where to invest our time, energy, and money? Are we supporting people who build safe spaces or enabling the same toxic patterns? John asks these questions out loud and invites you to do the same.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Safe Space and Podcast Goals 01:14 Dance Moms Reunion with Melissa Gissone 06:07 Velocity’s Inclusivity and Accountability 09:09 Behind the Scenes of Beyonce’s Show with Frank Gatson 10:12 Calling for Safe and Accountable Dance Spaces 12:25 Why Dancers and Dance Parents Need to Take Breaks   Links Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram John on Instagram Patreon YouTube  Website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Dance Moms director Jimmy Chriss shares what really happened behind the scenes, and why protecting kids, honoring joy, and telling the truth still matter in reality TV.   Jimmy joins John Corella to talk about his journey from music videos and commercials to the world of Dance Moms. He breaks down what it actually means to direct a reality show where real people, real emotions, and real stakes are always in play.   What does it feel like to protect kids on set while still delivering what people want? How do you stay grounded when the cameras never stop rolling? Jimmy answers these questions with the honesty of someone who’s lived it, through long days, heated moments, and years of experience. He also opens up about racism in the industry and why representation behind the scenes matters just as much as it does on camera. The conversation takes a heartfelt turn when Jimmy shares stories about his wife, her quiet love for the show, the strength she showed during her illness, and how her legacy continues to shape the way he moves through the world.   This episode is a reminder that behind every show are real people, and that the best stories come from those who lead with care.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Jimmy Chriss on Directing Dance Moms 02:38 From Music Videos to Reality TV 07:21 What It Really Means to Direct a Reality Show 09:27 Behind the Chaos of Dance Moms 19:41 Why Dance Moms Still Resonates 25:15 The Show’s Impact on Dance Culture 29:52 Personal Reflections on Loss and His Wife 34:21 Protecting Kids in Reality TV 37:33 How Reality TV Has Changed 42:20 Racism and Representation Behind the Camera 48:01 Choosing Joy, Even in Grief   Links Connect with Jimmy Chriss: https://www.instagram.com/the_real_jimmy_jay_chriss/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-jay-chriss-24b7517b/   Connect with John Corella: Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Three dance dads pull back the curtain on competitions, parenting in a female-dominated world, and the unexpected friendships that keep them coming back.   In this episode, John Corella brings together Jason, David, and Nick, who are three longtime dance dads who’ve spent years supporting their daughters through the highs and lows of competitive dance. What begins as a casual conversation over Mickey’s beers quickly opens into something more honest. They reflect on what it means to be an involved dad in a space where men are often absent, and how they’ve found connection, humor, and purpose in a world originally built around Dance Moms. There’s plenty of laughter and storytelling, but woven through are deeper questions: How do you stay grounded when competition weekends run 14-hour days? What happens when your kid doesn’t place? How do you handle Dance Mom drama without getting pulled into the chaos?   The episode also takes on the bigger picture: the dads speak openly about the financial and emotional weight of dance, their respect for the artistry involved, and what it’s like to raise daughters within a controversial dance community that includes drag performers, queer choreographers, and bold expressions of identity. Rather than shy away from those dynamics, they lean in with curiosity and support. And yes, by the end, they each imagine their own Dance Dad solos, offering a rare glimpse at what fatherhood looks like when vulnerability and celebration go hand in hand.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Meet the Dance Dads 05:46 The Real Cost of Competitive Dance 11:42 How Dance Builds Unexpected Friendships 20:41 Dance Dads vs. Dance Moms 29:21 Protecting Daughters in a Controversial Dance Community 32:40 Teaching Resilience Through Defeat 35:28 Diversity, Inclusion, and the Future of Dance 41:10 Misconceptions About Dance Dads 44:10 Could a Dance Dad Reality Show Work?   Links Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Melissa Gisoni spent a lot of years trying to do and say the right thing. Then she hit 50 and decided to stop worrying about how others might see her. She joins John Corella for a conversation about finding her voice, showing up more boldly, and choosing joy on her own terms.   John and Melissa talk about the power of allyship, what it meant to her to attend West Hollywood Pride, and how her daughters, Maddie and Mackenzie, have grown up with a strong sense of inclusion and empathy. What does it look like to raise kids in the spotlight while still protecting their spirit? And how do you hold boundaries when the world keeps asking for more?   Melissa also opens up about her dream of becoming an actress and what draws her to roles that feel fun and lighthearted, maybe even a Hallmark movie someday. She shares what she learned from being a dance mom, how she supported her girls as they built careers of their own, and what she would do differently if she could go back, especially when it came to speaking up for Mackenzie.   In this episode, Melissa reflects on what she got right, what she let slide, and what she’d never do the same way again. Listeners will come away with a deeper understanding of how to support their kids without losing themselves, what it really means to protect someone in the public eye, and why using your voice, especially later in life, can feel both freeing and necessary.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Introduction to Melissa Gisoni 03:10 Celebrating Pride and Community 06:00 Finding Your Voice After 50 08:59 Navigating Social Media and Self-Expression 11:48 The Journey of a Dance Mom 14:51 Reflections on Reality TV 18:07 The Competitive Nature of Dance 20:59 Recognizing Talent in Your Children 24:04 Lessons from Dance Moms 27:06 Navigating Dance Mom Dynamics 30:00 Handling Fame and Its Challenges 33:16 The Importance of Supportive Parenting 36:04 Spirituality and Personal Growth 39:15 Dreams and Aspirations Beyond Dance 42:17 Community and Mental Health   Links Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Boldness looks different when you’re a gay dad, a former Broadway dancer, and raising a toddler named Maverick in Florida.   To kick off Pride Month, John Corella is joined by Bret and Stephen, Broadway performers, husbands, and proud dads, who offer an honest look at parenting, partnership, and identity. They talk about raising their son Maverick with intention, finding joy in everyday moments, and the kind of quiet courage it takes to show up as a two-dad family in spaces built for straight families.   Where does boldness come from when the world keeps trying to put you in a box? What does it mean to raise a child who sees authenticity modeled at home? Through stories about sobriety, social media, and their dance competition backgrounds, Bret and Stephen reflect on what has shaped them and what they hope to pass on.   This episode questions the norms that still dominate parenting culture and the dance world, and it offers a reminder that being seen can be a radical act of love.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Introduction and Pride Month Kickoff 08:57 Becoming Bold as Gay Parents 15:03 How Dance Competitions Shaped Identity 17:55 Coming Out and Family Reactions 21:03 Advice for LGBTQ+ Youth 23:50 Finding Joy in Parenting and Creativity 26:55 Coping with Online Negativity 36:57 Personal Stories of Addiction and Recovery 42:20 Relationship Advice for Gay Men 44:10 Authenticity vs. Conformity in Gay Culture 47:51 Navigating Monogamy and Open Relationships 53:47 Parenting Challenges and Emotional Growth 56:34 What Fatherhood Has Taught Us 01:00:07 Public Reactions to Gay Dads 01:04:46 Challenging Gender Norms in Parenting 01:16:30 Understanding Straight Privilege in Family Life 01:21:15 How Representation Shapes Queer Families 01:23:11 Celebrating Pride and Building Community   Links Connect with Bret and Stephen: www.instagram.com/broadwayhusbands https://substack.com/@broadwayhusbands   Connect with John Corella: Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

This episode is a replay of a previous episode of Dance Dad with John Corella. Enjoy! Happy Pride!    “I loved how free I was,” reflects Ally Marc Jacobs, a transgender teen and emerging star in the worlds of voguing and drag. Inspired by the House of Juicy Couture’s performances and the House of Balmain  on the HBO series “Legendary”, Ally began vogue dancing and quickly became a sensation across social media. She is now a member of both the House of Juicy Couture and House of Marc Jacobs. Today on the Dance Dad podcast, Ally shares insights into the ball culture, her personal journey of coming out, and how both her mainstream and kiki house communities have become like a second family to her.   Ally’s biological family, including her mother Amy, who also joins the podcast, has supported her from the start. Amy discusses the pressures facing Ally as a prominent figure in the trans community, and the scrutiny she faces as a parent.    Ally addresses her experiences with bullies in various settings, from playgrounds to churches and even political arenas, and how she has found a supportive community. Host John Corella highlights the hypocrisy of parents who criticize Amy for 'forcing a lifestyle' on Ally, while they themselves push their children into unwanted activities.   Ally, confident in her identity from a young age, and perhaps even in past lives, is forging ahead fearlessly. Tune in to hear her discuss her love for Beyoncé, Monster High dolls, and her very own dance dad.   Episode Breakdown 00:00 Pride Month & Podcast Intro   01:04 Meet Allie Marc Jacobs   04:50 How Are You Feeling?   08:44 What Is a House in Ballroom Culture?   14:01 Allie’s Coming Out Story   16:06 A Parent’s Perspective   23:38 Handling Bullying & Finding Support   25:37 Voguing at Beyoncé’s Concert   29:14 Where Boldness Comes From   31:54 The Power of Self-Expression   42:05 Advice for Kids Afraid to Come Out   49:24 Allie’s Future Goals     Links Connect with Ally Marc Jacobs: www.instagram.com/allymarcjacobs   Connect with John Corella: Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

This episode includes discussions of depression, suicide, and conversion therapy. Please take care while listening. The content is not intended as providing individual counseling on a professional basis. If a listener is in need of psychological counseling they should seek help from a licensed therapist. The show is intended as information and entertainment and not as a substitute for professionally provided counseling or therapy, professional mental health advice, diagnosis, or treatment. If you’re struggling, please seek help. In the U.S., you can call or text 988 for free, 24/7 support. Depression isn’t a flaw to fix but a signal worth paying attention to, especially for performers who build their identity around applause.   John Corella welcomes Nathaniel Flatt, a licensed therapist, former professional dancer, and one-time boy band member, for a conversation that pulls back the curtain on mental health in the arts. What happens when the dream gig doesn’t fulfill you? Or when rejection keeps showing up and starts to feel personal? Nathaniel shares how he went from dancing with Beyoncé at the Oscars to sitting on a therapist’s couch, questioning what came next and why it didn’t feel like enough.   They talk about the emotional weight performers carry, the difference between sadness and depression, and what it really means to celebrate depression instead of fearing it. Nathaniel explains how therapy became a creative and collaborative practice for him, and why our culture’s obsession with winning often leaves people feeling more lost than ever.   This episode is for anyone who’s ever felt like their worth depends on a callback, a competition result, or someone else’s approval.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Meet Nathaniel Flatt: Therapist, Dancer, Boy Band Member 06:12 From Performing to Therapy: A Career Shift 14:04 Celebrating Depression and Redefining Sadness 25:04 Rejection, Perfectionism, and Identity 42:07 Finding Self-Worth Beyond Performance 44:43 Creativity, Play, and Pressure in Hollywood 50:24 How to Work Through Depression   Links Connect with Nathaniel Flatt: https://www.instagram.com/natflatt https://nathanielflatt.com/   Connect with John Corella: Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm

Overstretching, underrepresentation, and pressure from every direction… What's really happening behind the scenes in competitive dance?   John Corella sits down with Sharmila Mitra, a longtime friend and respected voice in the dance world. She’s a competitive dance teacher, studio owner, and a Pilates and Gyrotonic instructor who’s helped dancers heal, grow, and stay in the game for the long run. She’s also the author of “The Power of Intention for Dancers,” and her story is one many in the industry will recognize: pushed hard, stretched beyond her limits, and told her work was “too ethnic” to compete.   John and Sharmila dig into some hard truths: Is a dancer’s flexibility more important than their physical safety? How do we stop celebrating movement that could be damaging our joints for life? Sharmila shares how overstretching as a young dancer led to long-term injuries and why she’s passionate about giving today’s dancers a better way forward.   The two also talk about how Pilates, intention-setting, and proper cross-training can shift the entire experience of competitive dance. Can winning mean more than just a trophy? What if dancers were encouraged to check in with their bodies, not ignore what hurts?   This episode is a must-listen for teachers, parents, and dancers alike, especially anyone who’s ever questioned the way things have always been done. You’ll walk away with a fresh perspective, a few strong opinions, and maybe a little more compassion for the kid struggling through warm-up.   Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Meet Sharmila Mitra  04:33 Body Positivity and Representation in Dance 06:29 Challenging Norms: Bollywood, Identity, and Belonging 16:06 The Long-Term Impact of Overstretching in Competitive Dance 23:08 Protecting Dancers’ Bodies During Competition Season 27:16 How to Train Without Overstretching 33:33 Setting Intentions in Dance and Competition 40:25 Teaching Dancers to Advocate for Their Bodies 47:04 Integrating Spirituality with Dance Practice 52:15 Healthy Boundaries with Dance Parents 56:00 Knowing Your Worth as a Dance Teacher 01:00:00 When Students Leave: Loss, Growth, and Forgiveness   Links Connect with Sharmila Mitra: Website: https://coreartscenter.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coreartspilates   Dance Dad with John Corella on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dancedadwithjohncorella/ John on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_corella/ Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheonlyDanceDadwithJohnCorella Website: johncorella.net Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm