Joe vs Carole | Etan Frankel on creating the world of “Joe vs. Carole” | S2-E13

Behind the closed doors of government offices and military compounds, are hidden stories and buried secrets from the darkest corners of history. Each week, Luke Lamana, a Marine Corp Reconnaissance Veteran, pulls back the curtain on what once was classified information exposing the secrets and lies behind the world’s most powerful institutions. From the hitmakers at Wondery and Ballen Studios, we bring you REDACTED: Declassified Mysteries with Luke Lamana. The stories are real, and the secrets are shocking.Listen Now: http://wondery.fm/REDACTEDSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jennifer Portman speaks to two experts with very different views of Denise. Former FBI profiler Candice DeLong, host of Killer Psyche, and Professor Jane Monckton-Smith, a leading researcher into coercive control.Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.Support us by supporting our sponsors!BetterHelp: Try BetterHelp.com/OverMy to get 10% off your first month!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The prosecution lay out their version of what happened to Mike Williams all those years ago. But can their star witness be trusted?Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

As prosecutors close in, a desperate plot takes shape in prison.Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.Please support us by supporting our sponsors!BetterHelp: Visit BetterHelp.com/OverMy today to get 10% off your first month!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Denise has a terrifying encounter. It leads to a choice she never expected to face.If you or someone you know is struggling with mental health or domestic violence, here are some additional resources: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-8255 National Alliance on Mental Illness: 1-800-950-6264National Domestic Violence Hotline call 1-800-799-7233Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mike’s wife Denise begins to move on with her life, but a friend from her past makes an unexpected appearance.If you or someone you know is experiencing intimate partner violence, here are some additional resources. For the National Domestic Violence Hotline call 1-800-799-7233 or visit thehotline.org to chat with someone live at any time. Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A fisherman makes a disturbing discovery. Could it hold the key to what happened to Mike?Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mike and Denise Williams have a picture perfect life. Until one cold December day Mike goes hunting, and never returns. Now the authorities battle the elements to find him before it’s too late.Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Robert Moor talks with Etan Frankel, the Executive Producer, showrunner, and writer, tasked with adapting “Joe vs. Carole” for the screen. The pair talk about class dynamics, what Gossip Girl, Friday Night Lights and Shameless have in common with Joe Exotic and how brie and champagne drew Etan to Carole Baskin. “Joe vs. Carole” the TV series based on the second season of Over My Dead Body is now out on Peacock.Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Robert Moor talks with actor Kate McKinnon about what drew her to the role of Carole Baskin. The two discuss how she found humor in such a dark story and what makes a cat person a cat person. "Joe vs. Carole” the TV series based on the second season of Over My Dead Body is now out on Peacock.Listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Over My Dead Body exclusively and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/over-my-dead-body/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.