
A Week of Anxiety
Alan Kreider’s The Patient Ferment of the Early Church has shaped me more than most books. The early Christians of Saint Cyprian’s day did not negotiate with the world: no coercion, no force, no violence. Then came Saint Augustine, and a church elevated to operate alongside the state. Sixteen centuries later, we’re still sorting out the relationship.
I’m a Global Methodist elder, and ours is largely a postmillennial tradition. We don’t just wait for Jesus to save us from a collapsing world; God has equipped us to foster heavenly places here on earth. To some degree John Wesley seems to have been what we’d now call a Christian nationalist: he believed the church should control government for the glory of God and the benefit of man.
Meanwhile, people are worried about Christians gaining a foothold in government and about Doug Wilson’s influence on the White House through Pete Hegseth. This past week brought anxiety about a return to public executions in the age of livestreaming. How far should a government in a nation of Christians use coercion and fear, and how far mercy and non-retaliation?
I needed someone more practiced in these questions than I am. Dr. Holder holds a PhD in history from the University of Kentucky, has written between 16 and 20 books, and teaches for Liberty University. He came to faith through the Methodists before leaving us to become a Baptist. I get along with Baptists just fine.
Neither Deists Nor Evangelicals
I asked what people usually miss. His answer: we want history to be either/or. Either America was founded as a Christian nation or faith had nothing to do with it. Either the founders were evangelicals or they were all deists. “Really, it’s a whole lot of both and.”
His graduate work on the Middle Ages taught him that. Some historians called the medieval church a great civilizing influence on violent warlords; others said its leaders were no different from the warlords. “I’m learning a little bit about the Middle Ages, but I’m really learning a lot about these authors.” They imposed their own theology on the record, and he believes scholars have done the same with the founders.
He owns his bias as an ordained minister, though whether Washington was a Christian does nothing to his own faith. Reputable historians call Washington lukewarm. Holder disagrees: “If you go back and study the life that he lived and the things that he did and the things that he said, I think when you and I get to heaven, George Washington is going to be there.”
Every Law Is Somebody’s Morality
I’m 42. I started out on the left and I get further right every year, to the point where I now listen to Abolitionists Rising. Russell Hunter and the movement around him make the same argument against abortion that was made against slavery: these are persons. Told to keep their religion out of politics, they point to the law as a teacher and to the sword God has given the state.
For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. — Romans 13:4 (BSB)
Others say you can’t legislate morality. The abolitionists answer that all legislation is morality. Dr. Holder agreed: “Every single one.” Don’t murder. Why not? Because it’s immoral to take someone else’s life.
He sees real parallels between slavery and abortion: people with no legal standing who can’t fight for themselves, and dehumanizing language to justify it. Then as now, many simply didn’t want to be confronted and just wanted to “go home and watch Netflix.” Some slaveholders were convicted and freed themselves, “but ultimately, it was the government imposing a change.”
I asked what Scripture he leans on. Both sides, he said, reach for the command to submit to the governing authorities (Romans 13:1) whenever the law is on their side. For the unborn he named the psalmist:
For You formed my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. — Psalm 139:13 (BSB)
And Paul leaned on his Roman citizenship when people tried to get him in trouble with the law (Acts 22:25). To Holder, that means at the very least we should vote.
The Devil Can Use Either Side
He wants people to know Jesus more than anything, and “as soon as you start taking political stands, half of your audience tunes you out.” Politics is the art of compromise, and you can’t do any good if you don’t get elected. How much do you give up for a greater good? That brought him to C.S. Lewis’s The Screwtape Letters: “If you lose your Christian charity as you’re arguing the issue, it doesn’t really matter which side of the issue you’re on. The devil wins.” There’s no rubber stamp, only working out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) and taking up our cross daily (Luke 9:23).
I pushed with the abolitionist claim that the only thing holding back a moral resurgence is the cowardice of weak men who insist on compromise. He asked when exactly we had that perfect Christian society, “because narrow is the way” (Matthew 7:14).
Then, for the record: “I’m actually pretty partisan.” He just doesn’t advertise it, because most people only want to know whether you’re in their tribe. Jesus, asked about paying taxes, found a third way rather than be boxed in:
Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s. — Matthew 22:21 (BSB)
“I have very strongly held convictions, and one of them is what we’ve been talking about. I’m very adamantly pro-life.”
I brought up the parable of the shrewd manager, which has always messed with me:
For the sons of this age are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the sons of light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to make friends for yourselves so that when it is gone, they will welcome you into eternal dwellings. — Luke 16:8–9 (BSB)
We are called to be the pure bride of Christ, but we shouldn’t be reticent to use our citizenship, wealth and status for the gospel and the constraint of evil. He agreed. “It is the duty of the strong to protect the weak, and there’s no one weaker than a baby in a womb. What is our duty as two Christian men? It’s not to be silent.”
Pity as Power
Tom Holland’s Dominion argues that all of Western society grew out of Christian canon law and virtue. Now governments use the weak and the victimized to advance their cause against the church, as a state that wants to be more compassionate than the church. How do we operate in that?
Be aware, Dr. Holder said, because the “tyranny of the urgent” keeps us from stepping back. Get educated instead of running with the first narrative on X. Pray, because when we neglect prayer “we don’t feel the leading of the Holy Spirit.” And be shrewd, because the culture has changed. Even Jefferson and Franklin wanted faith for other people. Prayer in public schools wasn’t struck down until 1962, “which means for almost 200 years, our government and our population had no problem at all with people praying in school.”
It Didn’t Crater
People can’t pursue what they can’t imagine, and that is the gift of history. The federal government was not explicitly Christian. But every state government under it had Christian, confessional language in its constitution, and many required a public profession of faith to hold office or to vote. People today ask how an explicitly Christian state could possibly work between the Methodists and the Baptists. Once upon a time it did. It didn’t crater.
Dr. Holder granted that we are far more pluralistic than we were 200 years ago, with a growing share of people who believe nothing. “On the other hand, one of the cool things about being a Christian is we recognize that God can do whatever God wants.” We’ve had great awakenings before, “and we’re just one great awakening away from, who knows what kind of changes we can see.”
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