Episode 4:17: We Ought to Know This By Now

Coming up in this episode * Death & Taxes * Stop Filing Bug Reports! -- like that * and Your Emails! 0:00 Cold Open 1:25 Yubikeys are DEAD! 10:41 Deep In the Heart of Ptyxis 28:01 The Do's and Don'ts of Bug Reports 42:47 Email: Scott J 49:47 Email: Ben 52:49 Email: Bruce H 57:48 Email: Rob Simmons 1:03:22 Email: DailyDriver 1:04:24 Email: J 1:08:34 Pnext Time 1:10:17 Pstinger See the Video on Youtube (https://youtu.be/jWSVnDYeEe4)! https://youtu.be/jWSVnDYeEe4 Your Yubikey is DEAD! The Yubico advisory (https://www.yubico.com/support/security-advisories/ysa-2024-03/) arsTechnica coverage (https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/yubikeys-are-vulnerable-to-cloning-attacks-thanks-to-newly-discovered-side-channel/) The really deep dive details (https://ninjalab.io/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/20240903_eucleak.pdf) 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Ptyxis? Accessibility in Ptyxis (https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2024/02/29/accessibility-in-ptyxis/) Fedora workstation (Gnome) will switch for F41. (https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/417) 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum). How to ask for help. (Social Soapbox) Dan's blog post (https://www.linuxuserspace.show/articles/how-to-ask-for-help). Article written by Simon Tatham (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html). Lubuntu wiki page (https://git.lubuntu.me/lubuntu-wiki/wiki/wiki/Bugs) about submitting bugs. 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) * 📱 Linux User Space Bluesky (https://linuxuserspace.show/bluesky) Feedback Scott J., Email Scott likes the Beelink with the Ryzen7 5800H (https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-ser5-max-5800h). Ben, Email Ben recommends Readeck (https://readeck.org/en/). Bruce, Email Bruce likes the Opera Browser (https://www.opera.com/). Rob Simmons, Email Rob found a great operating system for his old Chromebook, Lubuntu (https://lubuntu.me). Dan thinks that is good choice too. Like Leo, Rob prefers email too. And yes, he is a Simmons ;). Daily Driver, Email DD wants to promote a couple of hidden gem distros. Crunchbangplusplus (https://www.crunchbangplusplus.org/) Bunsenlabs (https://www.bunsenlabs.org/) https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/31/crunchbangversusbunsen_labs/ https://www.infoworld.com/article/2243143/the-death-of-crunchbang-linux.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunchBang_Linux J, Email J would like some notes, guides and configurations for Wireguard. Stay tuned to our blog (https://www.linuxuserspace.show/articles/). We will try to get something posted. 🔭Next Time🔭 Our first history episode of the season will be Cinnamon Desktop Environment (https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon). Come back for more Linux User Space in two weeks. Watch for our livestream announcements in between episodes. Stay tuned📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord and now Bluesky or whatever platform you prefer. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Visaggio & Co Co-Producer --verbose MarshMan GrouchyM Pjol Tim Super User A.J. Advait Backshift6090 CubicleNate Eduardo S. FrozenGorilla Hausken Jeff3ix Jefferson Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Mick Nicholas Rotted Mood sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer

Coming up in this episode * Do you think Larry uses Firefox? * The Compiled History of Gentoo * and How we emerged from the year long journey 0:00 Cold Open 2:44 Mozilla Watch! 24:59 Gentoo - The Early Years 30:30 Gentoo - 1.0 And Beyond 35:20 Gentoo - 2007 to 2014 39:56 Gentoo - 2015 to the Present 45:37 The ENTIRE Gentoo Journey 1:20:49 Next Season? 1:24:52 Stinger The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/bsPV79bgU4c) https://youtu.be/bsPV79bgU4c Mozilla Watch Mozilla recently announced some planned improvements (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/heres-what-were-working-on-in-firefox/). 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of Gentoo Stampede Linux (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2937) When a system emerged, it was called Enoch (https://web.archive.org/web/20051126223839/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p1.xml) Making a Distro part 2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20051118195918/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p2.xml) Sustainability of the project had made its way to the forefront (https://web.archive.org/web/20051126225230/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p3.xml). Gentoo website ~August 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20010924064822/http://gentoo.org:80/) March 3 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020328041905/http://www.gentoo.org/) public facing movement was easily spotted. March 31 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020604061411/http://gentoo.org/news/20020331-gentoo.html), 1.0 was finally released! The huge influx of new users it encouraged caused bandwidth issues for Gentoo (https://web.archive.org/web/20020604025327/http://lists.gentoo.org/pipermail/gentoo-announce/2002-May/000161.html). August of 2003, 1.4 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20031207075713/http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030811-newsletter.xml). Full installation could be completed in under an hour! (https://forums.gentoo.org/posting.php?mode=quote&p=110077&sid=55086929168089cbbb9dcdac1cec05ec) 2004, marked a change (https://web.archive.org/web/20031204134123/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/index.xml) from the dot releases. 2004.0 released February 28, 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040610161340/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.0/releng/2004.0-press-release.txt). Daniel Robbins, the creator and founder, resigns from Gentoo (https://web.archive.org/web/20040501110844/http://www.gentoo.org/news/20040426-drobbins.xml). Despite that work continued. 2004.1 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20141224104108/http://www.gentoo.org//proj/en/releng/release/2004.2/2004.2-press-release.txt) shortly after that news, dot 2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040803014434/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.2/2004.2.xml) in July and dot 3 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101223035338/http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20041115-newsletter.xml) in November. September 2005, the first Gentoo Council was elected (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council). Daniel Robbins makes his glorious return (https://lwn.net/Articles/224082/) to the project! This lasted about 8 days before he resigned again (https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future). Other developers joined Robbins (https://www.linux.com/news/gentoo-attempts-deal-developer-conflicts/). Stability questions around the stability of the Gentoo Project (https://youtu.be/-ZSli7QW4rg) October 2009, a LiveDVD release (https://web.archive.org/web/20141222231552/https://www.gentoo.org/news/20091004-gentoo-10-years.xml). 11.0, released in 2011 (https://web.archive.org/web/20141222015352/http://www.gentoo.org/news/20110308-livedvd.xml). In 2015 A new website was announced (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2015/03/31/website-update.html#old-april-fools-day-announcement)! After the air was cleared, an actual NEW website (https://web.archive.org/web/20150502115556/https://www.gentoo.org/). In 2016, Gentoo Choice Edition (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng/LiveDVD/20160514). Then in July, Choice Edition Part Dos (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng/LiveDVD/20160704). word crimes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc) In 2017, 17.0 in November (https://web.archive.org/web/20181222003035/https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-12-26-experimental-amd64-17-1-profiles.html) and an experimental 17.1 in December (https://web.archive.org/web/20181222003035/https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-12-26-experimental-amd64-17-1-profiles.html). An issue on Github (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Incident_reports/2018-06-28_Github) in 2018. 2019 saw the 17.1 profiles finally stabilize (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2019-06-05-amd64-17-1-profiles-are-now-stable.html). In 2021, the addition of 20.0 profiles were released (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-06-20-riscv-20-profile-migration.html). Genchu (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401215506/https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/04/01/genchu.html) Wallpaper1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174243/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_01.jpg) Wallpaper2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401222127/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_02.jpg) Wallpaper3 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174337/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_03.jpg) Wallpaper4 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174404/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_04.jpg) Precompiled binaries for more packages were announced (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html?ref=news.itsfoss.com). March of 2024, profile version 23.0 (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2024-03-22-new-23-profiles.html). Michał Górny notes (https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2024/05/30/the-dead-weight-of-packages-in-gentoo/) in his blog a few days before recording here that Gentoo has a problem. 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We plan to explore your feedback and some other topics in our first episode of next season. Our first history episode of the season will be Cinnamon Desktop Environment (https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon). Come back for more Linux User Space after our break. Watch for our livestream announcements in the off-season. Stay tuned📡 for announcements of our return and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! ⭐⭐⭐⭐Producers ❤️ John Andersen, Bruno Parisi, Johnny, Dave Jones, Visaggio & Co. ⭐⭐⭐Co-Producers ❤️ Tim LePés, GrouchyM, --verbose, Pjol, MarshMan ⭐⭐Super Users ❤️ Nicholas Omann, CubicleNate, sleepyeyesvince, LiNuXsys666, Jill Bryant & Steve Ryniker, Eduardo Sanchez, Advait, Musical Coder, Livet, Hausken, A.J. Robb, Mark the Saigoneer, jeff3ix, Jefferson Lotspeich, Blackshift6090, Rotted Mood ⭐Users ❤️ Eduardo PH, Kyle, Jon Guthery, LqLarry, James Taylor, Bobby Ramsey

Coming up in this episode * We want to be the hosts with the most (compute) * Use Passkeys, (PASS!!!!) * ed, notes, the Linux Wars and AI in the feedback 0:00 Cold Open 1:43 Which Mini PC Do We Buy? 23:21 Time to Use Passkeys! 55:03 greenthumbs Feedback 58:00 Scott Feedback 1:01:32 Dave Feedback 1:08:29 n.m Feedback 1:14:05 kynize Feedback 1:25:53 Next Time 1:32:02 Stinger The video version! (https://youtu.be/C76WdhM2_kM) https://youtu.be/C76WdhM2_kM 🤏Micro Mini Compute Machines💻 Can we expand our server farm with one of these? (https://www.amazon.com/stores/Beelink/page/E76F7A4A-070E-428C-9129-832B18C1493F) Or, maybe one of the higher end units is a nice recording system? Quiet is the name of the game for that. What else is there that you recommend? 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 🔑Passkeys🔐 Google Overview of Passkeys (https://developers.google.com/identity/passkeys) What are Passkeys? - Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-are-passkeys) Passkeys: What They Are and Why You Need Them ASAP - PCMag (https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/passwordless-authentication-what-it-is-and-why-you-need-it-asap) FIDO Alliance - Passkeys (https://fidoalliance.org/passkeys/) 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) 📯Reverb Focus📢 Greenthumbs Commented on our E.D. History video (https://youtu.be/yUCuzkKGHos). :heart: Scott via Email If you read the directions 😉 (https://www.qownnotes.org/getting-started/qownnotesapi.html), they tell you the API doesn't handle the sync. You have to sync your folders with the Nextcloud client. Dave from Discord How could one share a Passkey with a team? Dan thinks Bitwarden (https://bitwarden.com/help/storing-passkeys/) might be the answer. n.m on the Year of The Linux Desktop Maybe? Most importantly, it should be the Year of Linux for you. The Livestream playback now has timestamps! (https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1) kynize wants to know if AI will make the desktop faster It seems unlikely that AI will use less resources. With dedicated hardware we might not notice (https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/what-is-an-npu). It does aim to make the user experience better though. 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) 🔭Next Time🔭 We plan to explore the history of Gentoo (https://www.gentoo.org/) in our season finale. What is in store for next season? Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Visaggio & Co Co-Producer --verbose Tim GrouchyM Pjol Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jeff3ix Jefferson Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * Does it do Passkeys tho? * So What Happened to Xz anyway? * How do we fix the internet? The Video Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJY) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJY Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:36 Amazingly Self-Hosted 34:13 The History of Xz and the Hack*! 49:58 How to Fix Open Source 1:15:56 Next Time 1:20:42 Stinger 💻Self Hosting and Passkeys🔑 Audiobookshelf (https://www.audiobookshelf.org/) Immich (https://immich.app/) Tailscale (https://tailscale.com/) What are Passkeys - Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-are-passkeys) Passkeys - FIDO Alliance (https://fidoalliance.org/passkeys/) 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 📖The History of XZ🦜 LZMA (https://web.archive.org/web/20121109182343/http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/forums/forum/45797/topic/1025556) Andrey Markov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain) LZ77 and LZ78 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ77_and_LZ78) 7zip history (https://7-zip.org/history.txt) Slackels (https://web.archive.org/web/20060202151612/https://tukaani.org/) LZMA in the form of the GCC compiled LZMA SDK (https://web.archive.org/web/20060213143853/http://tukaani.org/lzma/history) Tukanni Linux Project was officially gone (https://web.archive.org/web/20071011030325/http://tukaani.org/) LZMA Utils was left behind (https://web.archive.org/web/20090830051503/http://tukaani.org:80/xz) in favor of the similarly LZMA-backed Xz Utils. version 5.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101201065849/http://tukaani.org/xz/) is the transition from LZMA to XZ. Some distributions would eventually migrate to using Z Standard compression, including Arch (https://archlinux.org/news/now-using-zstandard-instead-of-xz-for-package-compression/) in 2019 and Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Switch_RPMs_to_zstd_compression) and Ubuntu would make the switch in 2020. A new face, Jigar Kumar, shows up (https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00565.html). January 7th, 2023, Jia Tan was finally able to merge their own commits (https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/pull/7) to Xz on Github. Jia tries to convince (https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/10667) the OSS-Fuzz team to accept a patch that disabled Indrect Function. Adding the test files (https://git.tukaani.org/?p=xz.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf44e4b7f5dfdbf8c78aef377c10f71e274f63c0) which weren't test files at all. Andres Freund's Mastodon post (https://mastodon.social/@AndresFreundTec/112180083704606941) On April 2nd, 2024, Collin adds a page to his tukaani.org (https://tukaani.org/xz-backdoor/) domain. 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) ⚒️How To Fix Open Source🛠️ Heartbleed (https://heartbleed.com/) I'm not a supplier (https://www.softwaremaxims.com/blog/not-a-supplier) XKCD 2347 (https://xkcd.com/2347/) 🔭Next Time🔭 We plan to explore your feedback and some other topics. Our final history episode of the season will be Gentoo (https://www.gentoo.org/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Visaggio & Co Co-Producer --verbose Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jeff3ix Jefferson Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick pjol sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * We put a hat on AI * The SecureBlue/ublue thing * The UNIX Wars part deux 0:00 Cold Open 1:49 Artificial Fedora 28:35 The ImmutaBlues 54:01 Feedback 55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix 59:28 Ian on Unix 1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync 1:10:22 A Quick Release Update 1:14:41 Next Time 1:18:03 Stinger The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU) https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU Support us here! (https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace) https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace AI dons a hat 🤖🎩 Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora (https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/) 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Course correction on Secureblue We messed up but RoyalOughtness (https://github.com/qoijjj), the creator of Secureblue, set us straight. Atomic Fedora is the start of the pipeline: (https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868) xkbcat (https://github.com/anko/xkbcat) 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Reverb Focus Tane via Email Tane uses Nextcloud Notes (https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes) Also Iotas (https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas) Unix Wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars) The terms of the Open Group (Open Group https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html) Current Open Group members (https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/) Ian via email BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days. They started out as licensed UNIX Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&T and passed whatever requirements AT&T had at the time. Chris via email Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/) is not FOSS. Logseq (https://logseq.com/) is overwhelming at first but good now. 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) 🔭Next Time🔭 We plan to explore and provide the history of XZ Utils (https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jeff3ix Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick pjol sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * Themes Are More Global Than You Think * Kdenlive Does Some Layering * The History of LXDE * To Qt, or not to Qt? * Then, we call an audible 0:00 Cold Open 2:17 Theme of the Crop 16:22 The Lost Edit 28:11 The History of LXDE 55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go? 1:24:28 Next Time 1:31:13 Stinger The Video Version https://youtu.be/Y8_rMTmnIXc 🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop KDE's Attack Surface? Hackaday coverage (https://hackaday.com/2024/03/25/user-beware-the-fine-line-between-content-and-code/) The Reddit Post (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1bixmbx/do_not_install_global_themes_some_wipe_out_all/) Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time 24.02.0 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-0-released/) was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist. Thankfully 24.02.1 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-1-released/) followed to hopefully resolve the issues. 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of LXDE (and some LXQt) The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008 (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/lxde-list/) Ubuntu Lite (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.https://web.archive.org/web/20090126190042/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5187661383.htmltuxfamily.org/?q=node/5) later known as U-lite commited (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/5) to using LXDE. DesktopLinux.com coverage (https://web.archive.org/web/20090207075132/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7428727466.html) Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment (https://web.archive.org/web/20120427050611/http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu) A PCManFM review from 2008 (https://web.archive.org/web/20220119114409/https://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/07/pcman-file-manager-045-review.html) The blog appears (https://blog.lxde.org/page/27/) December 2008 status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/10/recent-status-of-lxde/) Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor (https://web.archive.org/web/20080929014208/http://cap.gediam.de/index-en.htm) Mandriva adds LXDE (https://web.archive.org/web/20081005023344/http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Tour#LXDE) Fedora too (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/11/13/fedora-10-with-lxde/) LXDE Translation project (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/14/lxde-translation-project/) PCMan asks the community for feedback (https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=456) FOSDEM 2009 (https://www.slideshare.net/mariobehling/lxde-presentation-at-fosdem-2009?type=presentation) Lubuntu enters the chat (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/05/lubuntu-lxde-meet-up-with-mark-shuttleworth-in-berlin) LXDE on android phones (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/23/lxde-running-on-android-phones/) LXDE on Solaris (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/03/21/lxde-on-opensolaris/) LXDE in Centos (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/05/04/lxde-in-centos/) PCLXDE (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/06/pclxde/) First Lubuntu test ISO (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/31/first-lubuntu-test-iso-available/) Fedora success (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/12/15/huge-success-of-the-fedora-12-lxde-spin/) OpenSUSE status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/01/opensuse-lxde-development-status/) Refactor time (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/02/21/pcmanfm-0-9-alpha-is-released/) Rewrite, and make it faster (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/19/the-first-beta-release-of-new-pcmanfmlibfm/) Movable desktop icons (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/10/05/desktop-icons-of-pcmanfm-becomes-movable/) LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopInLenny) A Qt port begins (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/02/19/pcmanfm-file-manager-is-ported-to-qt/) Diverse paths (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/03/26/pcmanfm-qt-0-1-0-released/) PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt" (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/04/25/a-guide-for-porting-gtk-applications-to-qt/) LXDE-QT preview (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/03/lxde-qt-preview/) Razor-Qt (https://www.pcworld.com/article/461673/five-reasons-to-try-the-new-razor-qt-linux-desktop.html) PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt (https://groups.google.com/g/razor-qt/c/aRfqM_W_ODQ) A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt (https://blog.lxde.org/?p=1046) LXDE-Qt is not bloated (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/05/no-lxde-qt-is-not-bloated/) PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/03/23/pcmanfm-qt-reaches-a-quite-usable-state/) LXQt alpha is announced (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/04/27/the-first-alpha-release-of-lxde-qt-or-lxqt-is-in-preparation/) shortly after it was announced (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32310545/). Initial FreeBSD support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/lxqt-got-initial-freebsd-support/) for LXQt Comparing Numbers (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/some-numbers-about-lxqt-for-those-who-are-curious/) LXQt got “full” Qt5 support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/06/29/lxqt-now-has-full-qt5-support/) LXQt 0.8 released (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32927295/) LXDE is still going (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/18/status-update-for-lxde/) We say goodbye (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/21/in-memory-of-razor-qt/) to Razor-qt The 0.9 release was caught on snags (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/33285634/) but eventually released (https://web.archive.org/web/20160113173328/http://lxqt.org/release/2015/02/08/release-0-9-0/) LXQt 0.10 followed (https://web.archive.org/web/20160112231402/https://lxqt.org/release/2015/11/02/release-0-10-0/) LXQt 0.11 released (https://web.archive.org/web/20161121064047/http://lxqt.org/release/2016/09/24/lxqt-011-et-al/) More stats (https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/) LXQt 0.12.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171030182926/http://lxqt.org/release/2017/10/21/lxqt-0120/) LXQt 0.13.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190522094012/https://lxqt.org/release/2018/05/21/lxqt-0130/) The end for GTK 2 (https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/) Debian, at the time, set the death date (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/11/msg00570.html) GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE (https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/lxde-gtk3/) LXQt 0.17 (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/0.17.0) LXQt 1.0.0 was released! (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/1.0.0) LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE (https://github.com/lxde) LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/02/15/qt-6-and-wayland/) Speaking of Wayland (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/04/09/wayland_faq/) Quick LXQt History (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/History) More 📣Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch all the great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord or Lemmy. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is Xz (https://tukaani.org/xz/). Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * Telemetry helps us all * Immutability blues * A correction or two * And more feedback 📽️The video version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y04YTkEC5Y 0:00 Cold Open 1:34 The GOOD Telemetry 23:33 Gnome Classic & Friends 31:16 The Incredible Immutables 44:00 A Slight Correction 50:25 A Little Backstory 59:24 mintCast, CKP, FCWN & DHD 1:02:31 So Lightweight! 1:10:23 Another Dive into Notes 1:21:48 Fix GRUB, Add Color 1:29:49 Next Time 1:31:58 Stinger 🔥Warm up🔥 Dan Johansen in Matrix pkgstats (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pkgstats) Fun Stats (https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun) 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Fragmentation? Not on My Watch! Muesli from Matrix * Gnome Classic (https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html.en) * Is it healthy co-opetition or fragmentation? Let us know. * Secureblue (https://github.com/secureblue/secureblue) * beginning of the year (https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/secureblue-immutable-fedora-hardening/16086) * BlueBuild (https://blue-build.org/) 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) A quick correction jensmander1223 on Youtube OpenIndiana is Unix-Like but it's own thing (https://docs.openindiana.org/misc/openindiana/) The history of Dan and Leo visamp from Matrix Leo and Dan both did Linux Spotlight Episodes with our former co-host Rocco. Dan's episode (https://youtu.be/r5WYun6PVYc) and Leo's (https://youtu.be/rSQpy0LzNLw) We plan to drop some more tidbits in the not too distant future. Peter Jones Thanks for the support and for listening. Mintcast (https://mintcast.org) Crowbar Kernel Panic (http://crowbarkernelpanic.com) Full Circle Weekly (https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcasts/) Emiliano from Argentina Thanks for the message, the Spanish test and the support. QOwnNotes & Joplin Scott * Scott recommends QOwnNotes (https://www.qownnotes.org) and not Joplin (https://joplinapp.org). Another Vote for Obsidian. Then Anki, RemNote and LogSeq DesertDoug Doug searched long and hard recently for a note taking app too. Doug bumped into Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/), Anki (https://apps.ankiweb.net/), RemNote (https://www.remnote.com/) and Logseq (https://logseq.com/). 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Gentoo Focus Jensmander1223 sent some tips to help Dan with his bootloader issue. Dan will continue to keep working on that. Jensmander also sent along the tip to use colordiff (https://github.com/daveewart/colordiff) which can highlight differences when changing config files. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch). 🔭Next Time🔭 We plan to explore and provide the history of LXDE Desktop Environment (https://www.lxde.org). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jeff3ix Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick pjol sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * The AI Revolution is Coming * The History of MATE * We Read the Tea Leaves * Then Look to Lighten the Load The Video https://youtu.be/rKEIwDb1R9Q 0:00 Cold Open 4:09 Embrace the AI Overlords 21:45 The History of MATE 42:22 How Is MATE? 1:05:16 Next Time 1:07:51 Stinger Preshow - The Computer Shopper Dan is sitting on a gold mine with his collection of Computer Shoppers (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=computer+shopper+magazine&_sacat=0) 🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop Deepin OS is working on adding AI in (https://www.deepin.org/en/deepin-and-ai/) Another link (https://news.itsfoss.com/deepin-linux-distro-ai/) 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of Mate The first MATE org blogpost (https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2011-12-05-introducing-mate-desktop/) The initial Arch Linux forum post (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162&p=1) Perberos described the fork as... (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs?t=64) Phoronix August 2011 (https://www.phoronix.com/news/OTgxMA) ingeek 2011 (https://web.archive.org/web/20140214105804/http://ingeek.com/a-gnome-2-fork-the-mate-desktop-environment) Perberos attempted to grow the community on the Ubuntu forums (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11333073) and Linux Mint forums (https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=86481) Perberos, Clement Lefebvre, Stefano Karapetsas, and Steve Zesch were the founders (https://web.archive.org/web/20120122102625/http://mate-desktop.org:80/team/). The initial migration script (https://pub.mate-desktop.org/releases/1.1/) Salix (https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3510#p22897) had been one of the very first distributions to headline MATE The GNOME team created GNOME Flashback (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback#History) MATE University (https://github.com/mate-desktop-legacy-archive/mate-university) GhostBSD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GhostBSD) features the Mate desktop By the end of the year and into 2014 (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs), MATE was officially available in Arch, Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, openSUSE, Sabayon, Salix and Ubuntu. Stefano Karapestas stepped up (https://youtu.be/sRNK9QnnvCo?t=1395) to lead the team. Clem had his part-ownership of MATE removed. He had this to say (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4591) The big scoop MATE 1.28 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.0) and1.28.1 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.1) were recently released! More 📣Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch all the great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord or Lemmy. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the LXDE Desktop Environment (https://www.lxde.org/). Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken jeff3ix Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Mark the Saigoneer Musical Coder Nicholas Nick Pjol sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * We add to the KDE saga * We search for the humans on the other end of the Internet * We pour over the Feedback * We focus on the Gentoo feedback The Video Version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALGS4Vtei0 Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:30 The KDE AMA 7:47 The Truth About KDE 4.0 19:46 AppImage Is Broken in Ubuntu 24:47 There Be Humans Out There 40:07 Reverb Focus! * 41:33 Douglas (Old Mac, New Tricks) * 49:29 Bruce (Well, Why Don't Ya?!) * 55:12 Jayden (GNOME Syndrome) 1:04:15 The Care & Feeding of Gentoo (feat. Ryan) 1:15:51 Next Time! 1:20:32 Stinger 🔥Warm up🔥 There was an KDE AMA on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/835481) and on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ae4spk/plasma_6_rc_2_is_landing_on_wednesday_get_ready/) Troy Unrau (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/836067), a KDE dev, on the KDE History 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 There are humans on the other end of that Internet This conversation was sparked from this Tweet (https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1740110615404806483) Linus gets passionate sometimes (https://web.archive.org/web/20240201103502/https://lkml.org/lkml/2024/1/26/1013) 📣More Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Reverb Focus Douglas Paul Douglas does his own 12 step distro hop program. Gnome (https://www.gnome.org/), Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/), with Extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/) and Albert (https://albertlauncher.github.io/) is the landing spot... at least for now. Bruce Hankins on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) Two categories of users, average users and power users. Average users don't really tinker. Power users like to tinker (this is where Leo and Dan fall as well as many of you) but there is a small amount of us. Installation of the system and applications is not intuitive. Jayden on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) AAAAAAND a Note Suggestion Gnome with gestures and multi-touch (https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Gestures) are great. A couple of note taking apps for Leo to chase - Xournal++ (https://xournalpp.github.io/) and Rnote (https://rnote.flxzt.net/) 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Gentoo Focus Kerneltux sent in his "care and feeding" notes for Gentoo. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch). 🔭Next Time🔭 We plan to explore and provide the history of Mate Desktop Environment (https://mate-desktop.org/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias

Coming up in this episode * Notating the Notes * The History of KDE * And Plasma, Straight from the Tap Timestamps 0:00 Cold Open 1:44 A Note on Notes 22:52 The History of KDE 28:29 History: KDE 1 30:42 History: KDE 2 33:03 History: KDE 3 36:21 History: KDE 4 45:36 History: Plasma 5 51:34 History: Plasma 6 53:17 Plasma 6 Raw (hide) 1:20:49 Next Time: Topics, then MATE 1:27:37 Stinger Watch the video https://youtu.be/CsdW0bDOjIM 🔥Warm Up🔥 Leo hits the books and learns about reference style links (https://www.markdownguide.org/basic-syntax/#reference-style-links) in markdown. Thanks go to Dominic and Furicle. Eric mentioned MarkText (https://www.marktext.cc) and now the squirrels have Dan chasing that. Leo tries settling on Vivaldi Notes (https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/notes-manager/). 📣Announcements📣 This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of KDE The email on October 14, 1996 to start it all. (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ) KDE ONE (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/http://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_One_(Developer_Meeting)) K Desktop Environment first real beta release (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0-beta1/). Beta 1 Screenshots (https://web.archive.org/web/19980129135932/http://www.kde.org/kscreenshots.html) KDE 1.0 was released on July 12, 1998 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/). 1998 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://linux-center.org/articles/9809/interview.html) KFM turned into Konqueror (https://web.archive.org/web/20080723193818/http://konqueror.kde.org/faq#WheredoesthenameiKonqueroricomefrom). Konqi (https://community.kde.org/Konqi) KDE 2.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/2.0/) KDE 2.1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.1.php) In April of 2002, KDE 3.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.0/) was released. 2003 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6834) 2004 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://behindkde.org/matthias-ettrich-1) KDE Community World Summit 2004 "aKademy" (https://conference2004.kde.org/). 2005 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://archive.fosdem.org/2005/2005/index/interviews/interviews_ettrich.html) April 8, 2005 Kubuntu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#/media/File:Kubuntu.5.04.KDE.png). KDE 3.5 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.5/) KDE Four Core Meeting (https://dot.kde.org/2006/06/26/kde-libs-hackers-meet-kde-four-core) KDE 4 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.0/) Oxygen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_Project) 2008 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://tfir.io/matthias-ettrich-creator-of-kde/) KDE hit the 1,000,000 commit (https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-its-subversion-repository) Starting from 4.3.4 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.4.php), is a "software compilation". November 2009, K Desktop Environment is just KDE (https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand), now. Fork of KDE 3.5 becomes Trinity Desktop Environment (https://www.trinitydesktop.org/). KDE SC 4.5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/). October 2010, an official split from KOffice (https://lwn.net/Articles/419822/) Plasma Active (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-active-one/) KDE Manifesto (https://manifesto.kde.org/index.html) December 2012, a redesigned Konqi (http://tysontan.deviantart.com/art/Konqi-ver-2-494267237). KDE release structure changed (https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves). KDE SC 4.14 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.14.0/) the last in the series. Plasma 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/) and Frameworks 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.0.php) 2015 Wayland enters the room. (https://dot.kde.org/2015/12/18/first-plasma-wayland-live-image) Plasma Mobile (https://dot.kde.org/2015/07/25/plasma-mobile-free-mobile-platform) Plasma Bigscreen (https://plasma-bigscreen.org/) KDE Neon (https://dot.kde.org/2016/01/30/fosdem-announcing-kde-neon) Slimbook (https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/26/kde-and-slimbook-release-laptop-kde-fans) KDE Plasma is chosen (https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech) for the Steam Deck when in Desktop Mode! The development and chat platforms move to Gitlab (https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2019-09-17-gitlab-adopted-by-KDE.html) and Matrix (https://community.kde.org/Matrix). The first release candidate for Plasma 6 (https://kde.org/announcements/megarelease/6/rc1/) Plasma 6's release date is planned for February 28th of 2024. More 📣Announcements📣 Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) 🧹Housekeeping🧹 Catch all the great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord or Lemmy. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Mate Desktop Environment (https://mate-desktop.org). Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim GrouchyM Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince The Saigoneer Tobias