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Michael Johns | A Decade at Michael Page, Four Years Solo: What Actually Wins the Work | COAR S3E15

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The scariest career question isn’t “Can I do the job?” It’s “Am I only good because of where I’m doing it?” Michael Johns, director and co-founder of Gybe Consulting, puts words to that quiet fear with a simple image: the fishbowl versus the ocean. If you’ve ever wondered whether your results come from the brand on your email signature or the relationships you’ve built yourself, this conversation will hit home. 

We trace Michael’s path from running a sailing school at the Royal Queensland Yacht Squadron to 12 years inside a global recruitment firm, then out the door to start a boutique recruitment agency in Brisbane. Along the way we talk resilience when deals fall over, why the early “grind” matters, and what changes when you move from KPI-driven weeks to measuring success by depth of connection with candidates and clients. We also get practical about the realities of agency ownership: self-management, prioritising time, vendors and back office learning curves, and why a tight niche can beat chasing scale. 

Michael shares how Gybe competes through retained and exclusive recruitment, how they use reviews to improve service, and why candidate care still wins in a crowded market. We also dig into their AI and marketing survey and how thought leadership can build credibility without feeling like a gimmick. 

If you’re building a career in recruitment, marketing recruitment, digital recruitment, or thinking about launching your own agency, listen through to the final takeaway: people use you for you. 

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