when being perfect feels safer than being real

247: We're joined by my new favorite person (and everybody's favorite from The Bachelor), Alexis Waters, for an absolute sh*tshow of an episode. We're talking: things that would send a Victorian child into a coma, the dumbest things we've done for a man, boob jobs, mental illnesses, and how we found out we were being cheated on. An episode for the girls—and for the girls ONLY. I'm sure you're already obsessed with Alexis but if you aren't, you're about to be. LOVE YOU. x CHAPTERS: 00:00—quick intro 2:00 to 6:45—hi ALEXIS!!!! getting married, Hoop Nation 6:45 to 12:00—things that would send a victorian child into a coma 12:00 to 30:11—what are the dumbest things you’ve done for a man? *plus a million tangents because we both have severe ADHD* 30:11 to 1:04—cheating should be a crime 1:04 to 1:07—solicited advice & pick-me-girls 1:07 to 1:10—wrap-up & ily Alexis SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠ (to ALEXIS): IG: @alexiswaters_ TikTok: @alexiswaters244 Podcast: @literallynotokpodcast (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

246: Because sometimes you have to be the bad friend first to learn how to be a great one. This week, my beautiful friend (and Unwineding Podcast favorite) Angie Lassman is BACK. Think of this episode as part two of our 'Friendship Playbook' series—this time, we’re diving into the mistakes we’ve made as friends (and humans), and how those moments helped us grow, evolve, and show up better in our friendships. I hope there's something in this episode you needed—let us know what it was. LOVE YOU. x Episode 239: the friendship playbook: the art of being (& having) the best friends ever, ft. Angie Lassman CHAPTERS: 00:00—intro & weekend recap 09:10—hi Angie! & mistakes we've made 17:17-20:46—eating disorder mention 25:16—navigating expectations in friendships 25:49—understanding survival mode 26:23—the catch-22 of communication 27:58—you're not a burden to your friends 36:34—the power of forgiveness 44:16—it's the little things 47:56—the art of talking shit 48:50—concluding thoughts on friendship SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠ (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

245: We’re gathered here today to unpack our May Book Club pick: The Perfectionist’s Guide to Losing Control by Katherine Morgan Schafler. This book lovingly DRAGGED me—and I loved every second of it. I’m so excited to be joined by my friend (and incredible photographer) Remy Hernandez as we dissect our perfectionism: the parts that drive us, fulfill us, and also—the parts that make us feel never good enough (we're working on it). I hope there's something in here you needed & as always, I'd love to know what it was. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

244: This week, you're basically on FaceTime with Em (my bff) & I—and it's one of my favorite conversations yet. We're talking heartbreak, hyper-independence, becoming someone you'd want to date, and all the lessons we've learned (and maybe ignored) along the way. A few dating & relationship mantras you'll hear us say in this episode: + if it's not love, it's a lesson + why don't you think you're worthy of the relationship of your dreams? + you attract who you are + trust your gut feeling, it's your guiding point + your person is looking for you, too + when it's meant to be, it'll be + two great people don't necessarily make a great relationship + if it's not a f*ck yes, it's a no + nobody is busier than a man who doesn't care about you & more. Hope there's something in this conversation you needed, let us know what it was. LOVE YOU. x SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to EMILY): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@_emosmow TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emilyosmow Episode 237: building a 7-figure swimwear brand with Nyud Co-owner, Emily Osmow (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

243: Just us this week with a little hi, bye, and advice that has truly altered my brain chemistry. Should we make this a series? Because I could probably record 1,000 of these. This week's advice is for my *fellow* overthinkers and for anyone wanting to have more bravery in their decisions... maybe take a few more risks? Maybe stop underestimating yourself? All of the above? I hope it hits & let me know if it does. LOVE YOU. x SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

242: So you wanna become a content creator? Or you’ve been thinking about starting your own brand? Maybe both? This is the episode for you. I’m joined by my beautiful friend Kira Jones—content creator, founder of Cacti Wellness, and branding QUEEN—to talk all things consistency, building a brand you actually love, and becoming the kind of creator you’d follow. We talk all things content creation, brand building, and what it really takes to grow on platforms like Instagram and TikTok in 2025. From developing physical products to navigating creative burnout, Kira shares the behind-the-scenes of scaling her business while staying true to her vision. We also dive into: Building a personal brand that stands out Product development from scratch TikTok & IG growth strategies in 2025 Evolving your content style Finding your editing voice Balancing creativity with consistency What makes content actually worth sharing & more. Hope you love! SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. X SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to KIRA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@kirajones & ⁠@cactiwellness⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@kirajonesmatousek (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

241: Because not everyone deserves to experience you (in fact, I wish people could un-experience me, you know what I mean?). You wouldn't know by the title, but this episode is slightly chaotic and I did, in fact, cry of laughter because that's just what happens when I'm with Lauren. It's Lauren's third time on Unwineding for a little dating/relationship/& friendship talk - again, like we're on FaceTime but happened to be recording. Take whatever you need from this episode & leave the rest - LOVE YOU. x SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠⁠ (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

240: Another round of solicited dating advice led by my favorite comedian & returning guest, Zack Signore. Whether you should or shouldn't take our advice is up to you, but we're getting into: exclusivity vs. boyfriend/girlfriend, emotionally unavailable men, picking hot a$$holes, de-centering men (while still falling in love), and tooooo much more. Hope you enjoy (but I know you will!!!), LOVE YOU. x SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠@unwinedingpod⁠⁠ (to ZACK): IG: @zacksignore EP. 200 x Unwineding: a comprehensive guide to falling in love ft. Zack Signore (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

239: I can live without somebody's son for a little longer but without my best friends? Not even a single day. My beautiful, smart, funny, and perfect friend Angie Lassman is back on Unwineding and this time we're unpacking all things friendship. We chat about why making and maintaining friendships in your late 20s/30s can feel so tough (but why it's so worth it), how friendship breakups impact us, and why expectations can make or break even the closest bonds. Whether you're feeling stuck in a friendship rut or simply want to deepen your current relationships, think of this episode as your go-to guide for understanding the complexities of female friendship. Plus, we debate the concept of “low-maintenance friends” and why it’s okay to have high standards when it comes to your bestest friends. As always, take whatever you need from this episode and leave the rest. LOVE YOU. x SAY HI (to LISA): IG: ⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠ Pinterest: ⁠⁠@lisaxgilmore⁠⁠ (to UNWINEDING): IG: ⁠@unwinedingpod⁠ TikTok: ⁠@unwinedingpod⁠ (to OUR EPISODE SPONSORS): BETTERHELP: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give therapy a try at: ⁠betterhelp.com/UNWINEDING⁠ HUNGRYROOT: Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box + get a free item in every box for life. Go to: ⁠hungryroot.com/unwineding⁠ + use code UNWINEDING. GREEN CHEF: Thank you so much to this week's sponsor: Green Chef. Go to ⁠greenchef.com/lisafree⁠ and use code LISAFREE to get started. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

238: Apparently our thoughts have the ability to create the life of our dreams... and we're getting into all of it today. It's just us this week for a quick girl talk/catchup before we get into the five gems I took from April's book, Don't Believe Everything You Think, by Joseph Nguyen. I am, for once, not being dramatic when I say—this book is life-changing (and if you're a *fellow* over-thinker, I cannnnnot recommend it enough). I hope there's something in this episode you needed (and I'd selfishly love to know what it was). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices