The Grammys vs the curse

Brian and Murdock talk about discovering the first Boston album and dive into the fascinating and upsetting story of the two men who defined their sound and personified their struggles. CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains mention of suicide and abuse after the 34 minute mark. If you are suffering with thoughts of depression and hopelessness and considering harming yourself, please seek help.Additionally, we ask all listeners to consider visiting and supporting the work of To Write Love on Her Arms.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:http://rockandrollgarage.com/how-boston-tom-scholz-made-their-entire-debut-album-in-his-basement/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/exclusive-interview-bostons-tom-scholz-remembers-bradley-delp-94896/https://www.thirdstage.ca/boston/the-band/former-members/brad-delphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goudreauhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Scholzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Delphttps://www.loudersound.com/features/how-boston-flew-so-high-and-fell-so-farhttps://www.rcfp.org/briefs-comments/scholz-v-boston-herald/The actual court decision on Scholz vs the Herald: https://www.rcfp.org/wp-content/uploads/imported/2014-05-02-scholz-v-boston-herald.pdfArchive of lawsuit briefs/decisions/documents: https://www.thirdstage.ca/boston/articles/legal-documentshttps://ultimateclassicrock.com/brad-delp-suicide/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boston_band_membersThe Boston Herald piece with important parts highlighted: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/525ed589e4b07b05fff51e46/t/585b2884725e25b52bb8eaf4/1482369156574/Boston+Herald+Reporting.pdfhttp://archive.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2012/05/27/boston_singer_brad_delps_final_days_marked_by_crisis_over_hidden_camera/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock get sent looking for stories of out-of-control album creations and come back with the tale of Walter, Donald, 3 years, 50 musicians, a drug problem, a tragic death, and a personal injury - aka Gaucho.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steely_DanReelin in the Years book by Brian Sweet: https://www.amazon.com/Steely-Dan-Reelin-Brian-Sweet/dp/1468313142https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Steely_Dan_membershttps://www.lindahoovermusic.com/biohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_to_EcstasyQuantum Criminals book preview: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Quantum_Criminals/JPi0EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Die Behind the Wheel Crime Fiction:​​https://downandoutbooks.com/bookstore/thornton-die-behind-wheel/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_(album)Jonathan Clark’s Medium article: https://medium.com/@jonathanusa/the-crazy-story-of-the-making-of-steely-dans-gaucho-e4e7d68651e5https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho_(album)The Jake Malooley reporting on “The Second Arrangement”https://expandingdan.substack.com/p/second-arrangement-steely-dan-roger-nichols-tapehttps://wiki-lied.fandom.com/wiki/The_Second_Arrangementhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Nichols_(recording_engineer)https://rogernichols.com/wendelhttps://bangnzdrum.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-many-sides-of-walter-becker.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Beckerhttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/steely-dans-quiet-hero-inside-walter-beckers-troubled-life-wry-genius-199094/https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/steely-dan-most-tragic-album/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock dig into the infamous tale of that time a whole lotta money went missing - and the suspects, mobsters and managers who may (or may not) have been at the center of it all. Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTESZeppelin’s unreal record dealhttps://www.loudersound.com/news/led-zeppelin-atlantic-contracthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_ZeppelinLed $eppelinhttps://forums.ledzeppelin.com/topic/10704-how-rich-are-led-zeppelin/Lead guitar, Jimmy Pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_PageAleister Crowley’s swinging satan padhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boleskine_House“Hey, the money is gone.”https://www.ledzeppelin.com/event/july-29-1973“NYPD, open up”https://ledzepnews.com/2024/01/08/exclusive-nypd-files-on-robbery-of-180000-from-led-zeppelin-drake-hotel-1973-revealed-after-50-years/Peter Grant post heist press conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00LtwfpSfX8Bob Spitz’s book that oozes sex, drugs, rock and roll and robbery. https://nypost.com/2021/11/08/new-book-sheds-light-on-200000-led-zeppelin-robbery/Peter Grant rocking out at ‘Zep’ shows/events post Bonham’s deathhttps://forums.ledzeppelin.com/topic/20557-peter-grant-at-post-zep-shows/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys chase down the long running rumor that winning too many Grammys too quickly can end a career by examining a few stories of bands that won the hardware and hit hard times.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://variety.com/2021/music/news/grammys-best-new-artist-curse-1234892921/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starland_Vocal_Bandhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starland_Vocal_Band_(album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afternoon_Delighthttps://americansongwriter.com/the-rather-randy-meaning-behind-afternoon-delight-by-starland-vocal-band/https://arresteddevelopment.fandom.com/wiki/Afternoon_Delighthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Song_of_the_Year#1970shttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht_rockhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Ray_Vaughanhttps://www.guitarplayer.com/music/christopher-cross-filled-in-for-a-sick-ritchie-blackmorehttps://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/get-an-up-close-look-at-stevie-ray-vaughans-number-one-strat-in-this-historic-videohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Crosshttps://www.goldminemag.com/articles/theres-singer-songwriter-christopher-cross-meets-eyehttps://www.statesman.com/story/entertainment/music/2021/11/01/christopher-cross-marks-40th-anniversary-debut-album-paramount/6125267001/Amazing photo of the band Flash: https://web.archive.org/web/20110715222114/http://www.saboomie.com/txband/flash.jpghttps://www.austinchronicle.com/music/2012-01-20/the-reluctant-celebrity/https://michaelcorcoran.substack.com/p/christopher-cross-40-years-of-griefhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cross_(album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_New_ArtistSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock explore the insane popularity and pressure facing the Beatles in the mid-60's and the crazy rumor right in the middle that catapaulted them to even BIGGER fame.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_deadhttps://faroutmagazine.co.uk/why-did-the-beatles-stop-touring-beatlemania/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_popular_than_Jesushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_God_Dead%3Fhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmaskinghttps://americansongwriter.com/george-harrison-says-paul-mccartneys-dead-in-new-dvd/https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/misc-unsigned-bands/the-mystery-tour-the-ballad-of-paul-chords-2283315https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/niu-newspaper-retraction-paul-mccartney/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A letter requesting some detective work around 80's party rock sends the guys on an unexpected quest to tell the tale of that time Jimmy Page ripped off the opening act. Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kix_(band)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Songs_(Cinderella_album)https://www.harmonycentral.com/forums/topic/1260265-cinderellakix-song-comparison-same-song/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Holmeshttps://www.vulture.com/2014/09/how-bill-cosby-helped-launch-joan-rivers-comedy-career.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Grierhttps://web.archive.org/web/20101122184126/http://furious.com/perfect/jakeholmes.htmlhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_(Jake_Holmes_song)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yardbirdshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_blueshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Samwell-Smithhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawdaddy_Clubhttps://outonthefloor.co.uk/the-crawdaddy-club/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_PageThe Prom Story: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/before-he-formed-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-played-a-prom-in-ohiohttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/jun/30/led-zeppelin-sued-dazed-and-confusedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelinhttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/1970s-watertown-sinatras-overlooked-miserabilist-concept-arnell-smire/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys go back to 1999 to unpack the story of two internet friends and how they accidentally change the future of music - all while (Saint) Anger-ing one of the biggest bands in the world.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica_v._Napster,_Inc.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Fanninghttps://www.businessinsider.com/sean-parker-life-career-napster-facebook-billionaire-pictures-2020-3The 2000 Time magazine article about Napster: https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,998068,00.htmlhttps://museumofportablesound.com/mp325-2/https://www.kerrang.com/metallica-vs-napster-the-lawsuit-that-redefined-how-we-listen-to-musicThe Alex Winter documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZqkn9hT5whttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/feb/24/napster-music-free-file-sharinghttps://fortune.com/2013/09/05/ashes-to-ashes-peer-to-peer-an-oral-history-of-napster/Lars in front of the senate judiciary committee - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGk0xY5Vh0https://www.mtv.com/news/4rzogn/dr-dre-sues-napsterhttps://blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-admits-delivering-names-of-napster-users-was-maybe-not-the-smartest-pr-move-of-all-timeChuck D and Lars on Charlie Rose: https://youtu.be/1OIqtHBbDWAhttps://www.mtv.com/news/k625y4/napster-to-sponsor-free-tour-by-limp-bizkit-cypress-hillThe Wired article: https://www.wired.com/2000/04/giving-it-back-to-metallica/2020 SPIN article: https://www.spin.com/2020/04/revisiting-the-lessons-of-metallicas-napster-lawsuit-in-the-era-of-coronavirus/The Bandsplaining video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUm6no5MXYAhttps://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=113924&page=1https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/2002/09/04/judge-blocks-napsters-sale-to-bertelsmann/c8d1ec76-c151-46dc-8b35-809d74f846aa/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys get a letter encouraging them to explore a musical rivalry of a slightly different kind than the normal show fare - one involving Constantinople, feuding brothers, and serious alchemy.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://mcaulaydrums.com/CYMBALS/item4498.htmlhttps://thedrumninja.com/where-are-buddy-richs-drum-sets/#:~:text=Buddy%20Rich%20was%20a%20Zildjian,popularity%20even%20more%20amongst%20drummers.https://reverb.com/news/crash-clash-the-shared-history-of-zidjian-and-sabianhttps://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/clashing-cymbals-are-music-their-earshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avedis_Zildjian_CompanyModern Drummer, 1983 article: https://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?21422-Zildjian-Sabian-historyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1940UPI Archives, April of 1981: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/04/15/Cymbal-making-family-clashes-in-court/5192356158800/https://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/arts/armand-zildjian-81-head-of-family-of-cymbal-makers.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabian_CymbalsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys get a letter asking why Diamond Dave was being so mouthy about a certain band of British punks during Van Halen's headling set at the 1983 US Festival. This leads to an investigation of authenticity, genre death, and lots of Jack Daniels consumption. SHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clashhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Rhodeshttps://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/185213https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Callinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Jones_(The_Clash_guitarist)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen_(album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diver_Downhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Festivalhttps://www.loudersound.com/features/us-festival-1983https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1007bq4/does_anyone_know_why_david_lee_roth_said_that/Alan Berry documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JrKjGBnHAhttps://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/8-382-3637?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=truehttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/flashback-the-clash-say-goodbye-at-the-1983-us-festival-57636/https://www.spin.com/2023/05/us-festival-40th-anniversary-oral-history/The initial US Festival 83 press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUT5sP_egMDLR at press conference weekend of fest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLKxRAAFGQ4https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-reason-why-the-clash-fired-mick-jones/Robert Fithen YouTube episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhpaSDYvwaEhttps://faroutmagazine.co.uk/clash-mick-jones-last-us-festival-1983/The Clash’s US set:https://youtu.be/dsZks2ZxqTs?si=GktR4U2yjwhXEopHhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmo_Vinylhttps://www.grunge.com/733482/the-guinness-world-record-that-was-created-for-van-halen/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Brian and Murdock dive into a listener's question about music copyright issues in film, revealing the surprising impact licensing decisions can have on artists' careers. Discover how an '80s action star's soundtrack search — and one band’s refusal — opened the door for another group to land a career-changing opportunity. It's a behind-the-scenes look at the intersection of music, movies, and legal rights.#musiclicensing #filmmusic #copyrightlaw #80smovies #podcastSHOW NOTES:https://www.npr.org/2012/01/03/144624329/the-big-bad-swap-the-problem-with-replaced-musichttps://www.denofgeek.com/tv/17-movies-and-tv-shows-that-were-refused-rights-to-songs/https://nypost.com/2023/03/04/how-sylvester-stallone-lost-his-rocky-legacy/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_IIIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_IIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonna_Fly_Nowhttps://societyofrock.com/the-one-eye-opening-fact-that-queen-and-survivor-have-in-common-who-wouldve-thought/https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/how-survivor-wrote-eye-of-the-tigerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Sullivanhttps://www.billboard.com/music/rock/survivor-frankie-sullivan-eye-of-the-tiger-rocky-interview-1235088938/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Scottihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Garretthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti_Brothers_Recordshttps://jessecoffey100498.medium.com/scotti-brothers-records-story-and-album-discography-1fff2e668ffchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Tigerhttps://jimpeterik.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/jimpeterik_press_bio.pdfhttps://www.hollandsentinel.com/story/entertainment/books/2014/11/05/jim-peterik-shares-his-life/36005860007/https://www.facebook.com/therosieandbillshowpage/videos/jim-peterik-the-amazing-story-behind-eye-of-the-tiger/812321673662008/https://elmhurstmagazine.com/jim-peterik/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.