Jimmy Page vs Jake Holmes

A letter requesting some detective work around 80's party rock sends the guys on an unexpected quest to tell the tale of that time Jimmy Page ripped off the opening act. Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kix_(band)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Songs_(Cinderella_album)https://www.harmonycentral.com/forums/topic/1260265-cinderellakix-song-comparison-same-song/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Holmeshttps://www.vulture.com/2014/09/how-bill-cosby-helped-launch-joan-rivers-comedy-career.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Grierhttps://web.archive.org/web/20101122184126/http://furious.com/perfect/jakeholmes.htmlhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_(Jake_Holmes_song)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yardbirdshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_blueshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Samwell-Smithhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawdaddy_Clubhttps://outonthefloor.co.uk/the-crawdaddy-club/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_PageThe Prom Story: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/before-he-formed-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-played-a-prom-in-ohiohttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/jun/30/led-zeppelin-sued-dazed-and-confusedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelinhttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/1970s-watertown-sinatras-overlooked-miserabilist-concept-arnell-smire/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys go back to 1999 to unpack the story of two internet friends and how they accidentally change the future of music - all while (Saint) Anger-ing one of the biggest bands in the world.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica_v._Napster,_Inc.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Fanninghttps://www.businessinsider.com/sean-parker-life-career-napster-facebook-billionaire-pictures-2020-3The 2000 Time magazine article about Napster: https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,998068,00.htmlhttps://museumofportablesound.com/mp325-2/https://www.kerrang.com/metallica-vs-napster-the-lawsuit-that-redefined-how-we-listen-to-musicThe Alex Winter documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZqkn9hT5whttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/feb/24/napster-music-free-file-sharinghttps://fortune.com/2013/09/05/ashes-to-ashes-peer-to-peer-an-oral-history-of-napster/Lars in front of the senate judiciary committee - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGk0xY5Vh0https://www.mtv.com/news/4rzogn/dr-dre-sues-napsterhttps://blabbermouth.net/news/lars-ulrich-admits-delivering-names-of-napster-users-was-maybe-not-the-smartest-pr-move-of-all-timeChuck D and Lars on Charlie Rose: https://youtu.be/1OIqtHBbDWAhttps://www.mtv.com/news/k625y4/napster-to-sponsor-free-tour-by-limp-bizkit-cypress-hillThe Wired article: https://www.wired.com/2000/04/giving-it-back-to-metallica/2020 SPIN article: https://www.spin.com/2020/04/revisiting-the-lessons-of-metallicas-napster-lawsuit-in-the-era-of-coronavirus/The Bandsplaining video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUm6no5MXYAhttps://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=113924&page=1https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/2002/09/04/judge-blocks-napsters-sale-to-bertelsmann/c8d1ec76-c151-46dc-8b35-809d74f846aa/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys get a letter encouraging them to explore a musical rivalry of a slightly different kind than the normal show fare - one involving Constantinople, feuding brothers, and serious alchemy.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookSHOW NOTES:https://mcaulaydrums.com/CYMBALS/item4498.htmlhttps://thedrumninja.com/where-are-buddy-richs-drum-sets/#:~:text=Buddy%20Rich%20was%20a%20Zildjian,popularity%20even%20more%20amongst%20drummers.https://reverb.com/news/crash-clash-the-shared-history-of-zidjian-and-sabianhttps://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/clashing-cymbals-are-music-their-earshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avedis_Zildjian_CompanyModern Drummer, 1983 article: https://www.soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?21422-Zildjian-Sabian-historyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1940UPI Archives, April of 1981: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/04/15/Cymbal-making-family-clashes-in-court/5192356158800/https://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/31/arts/armand-zildjian-81-head-of-family-of-cymbal-makers.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabian_CymbalsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys get a letter asking why Diamond Dave was being so mouthy about a certain band of British punks during Van Halen's headling set at the 1983 US Festival. This leads to an investigation of authenticity, genre death, and lots of Jack Daniels consumption. SHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clashhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Rhodeshttps://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/185213https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Callinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Jones_(The_Clash_guitarist)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Halen_(album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diver_Downhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Festivalhttps://www.loudersound.com/features/us-festival-1983https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1007bq4/does_anyone_know_why_david_lee_roth_said_that/Alan Berry documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JrKjGBnHAhttps://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/8-382-3637?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=truehttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/flashback-the-clash-say-goodbye-at-the-1983-us-festival-57636/https://www.spin.com/2023/05/us-festival-40th-anniversary-oral-history/The initial US Festival 83 press conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUT5sP_egMDLR at press conference weekend of fest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLKxRAAFGQ4https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-reason-why-the-clash-fired-mick-jones/Robert Fithen YouTube episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhpaSDYvwaEhttps://faroutmagazine.co.uk/clash-mick-jones-last-us-festival-1983/The Clash’s US set:https://youtu.be/dsZks2ZxqTs?si=GktR4U2yjwhXEopHhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmo_Vinylhttps://www.grunge.com/733482/the-guinness-world-record-that-was-created-for-van-halen/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, Brian and Murdock dive into a listener's question about music copyright issues in film, revealing the surprising impact licensing decisions can have on artists' careers. Discover how an '80s action star's soundtrack search — and one band’s refusal — opened the door for another group to land a career-changing opportunity. It's a behind-the-scenes look at the intersection of music, movies, and legal rights.#musiclicensing #filmmusic #copyrightlaw #80smovies #podcastSHOW NOTES:https://www.npr.org/2012/01/03/144624329/the-big-bad-swap-the-problem-with-replaced-musichttps://www.denofgeek.com/tv/17-movies-and-tv-shows-that-were-refused-rights-to-songs/https://nypost.com/2023/03/04/how-sylvester-stallone-lost-his-rocky-legacy/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_IIIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_IIhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonna_Fly_Nowhttps://societyofrock.com/the-one-eye-opening-fact-that-queen-and-survivor-have-in-common-who-wouldve-thought/https://www.guitarplayer.com/players/how-survivor-wrote-eye-of-the-tigerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Sullivanhttps://www.billboard.com/music/rock/survivor-frankie-sullivan-eye-of-the-tiger-rocky-interview-1235088938/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Scottihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Garretthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti_Brothers_Recordshttps://jessecoffey100498.medium.com/scotti-brothers-records-story-and-album-discography-1fff2e668ffchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Tigerhttps://jimpeterik.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/jimpeterik_press_bio.pdfhttps://www.hollandsentinel.com/story/entertainment/books/2014/11/05/jim-peterik-shares-his-life/36005860007/https://www.facebook.com/therosieandbillshowpage/videos/jim-peterik-the-amazing-story-behind-eye-of-the-tiger/812321673662008/https://elmhurstmagazine.com/jim-peterik/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock get a listener letter asking what happened to Mark Knopfler's world-conquering, MTV video pioneering band Dire Straits.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookWin Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n rollorigin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this?Send us your story to [email protected] to get in the running.See the Louder Than Life line-up!SHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Straitshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Knopflerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_Withershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_in_Arms_(album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Dancer_(Tina_Turner_song)https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Mark-Knopfler-entrust-Private-Dancer-to-Tina-Turnerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Dancerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Explosionhttps://direstraitsblog.com/blog/history-dire-straits-1977-1979-first-two-albums/https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mark_knopfler_explains_how_he_unintentionally_became_a_songwriter_opens_up_on_his_relationship_with_electric_guitar.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_over_Goldhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Davies_(talent_manager)https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/tina-turner-queen-of-rock-roll-190581/https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/blog-on-the-tracks/3294741/The-worst-guitar-solo-in-the-worldhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Every_Streethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Independent_Recording#AIR_Montserrat_(1979%E2%80%931989)https://virginradio.co.uk/music/140768/mark-knopfler-potential-dire-straits-reunionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock have fun revisiting the early-90's and the idea of the "multi-tiered celebrity" through the person of Shaquille O'Neal. Did an emerging alt-rock god really almost collab with the 7-foot superstar on wax? Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookWin Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n rollorigin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this?Send us your story to [email protected] to get in the running. See the Louder Than Life line-up! SHOW NOTES:https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-sessions.fandom.com/wiki/Summer_1996_%E2%80%93_Soundworkshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(song)https://brobible.com/sports/article/shaq-rap-career/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Dieselhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fuhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Schnickenshttps://www.rapreviews.com/2009/09/chip-fu-interview/https://www.dubcnn.com/2013/02/23/chip-fu-interview-february-2013/https://golianopoulos.com/new-blog/2014/1/31/shaquille-oneals-rap-careerhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/imeekpo/2024/05/28/shaq-diesel-the-nba-stars-iconic-rap-collaborations-with-michael-jackson-jay-z-biggie-smalls-and-more/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Up_Doc%3F_(Can_We_Rock)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fu:_Da_Returnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_at_the_Beach_(1994)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon_Collie_and_the_Infinite_Sadnesshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_with_Butterfly_WingsCorgan talking about Lynch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdqqakB6CgShaq talking about Biggie: https://www.reddit.com/r/NotoriousBIG/comments/1gre8u5/shaquille_oneal_talks_about_biggie/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_B.I.G.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_to_Diehttps://ftw.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/pop-culture/2024/06/26/shaq-third-rap-album-released-streaming-jay-z-nas-collaboration/79757669007/https://americansongwriter.com/behind-the-jay-z-and-nas-feud/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys go back to the mid-80's to find out the varying circumstances that brought together (arguably) the greatest super group of all time. Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookWin Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n rollorigin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this?Send us your story to [email protected] to get in the running. See the Louder Than Life line-up! SHOW NOTES: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Harrisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Nine_(George_Harrison_album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Harrisonhttps://www.happyscribe.com/public/criminalia/my-guitar-gently-weeps-george-harrison-s-stalkershttps://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/music/1664429/the-beatles-george-harrison-death-shot-quit-splithttps://faroutmagazine.co.uk/jeff-lynne-hang-out-with-george-harrison/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Lynnehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Movehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Light_Orchestrahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checking_Out_(1989_film)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Orbisonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Hearts_(Roy_Orbison_album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Girlhttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylans-secret-recording-session-with-george-harrison-and-friends-188040/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylanhttps://www.uncut.co.uk/news/bob-dylan-s-garage-studio-was-a-real-garage-there-may-even-have-been-lawnmowers-in-there-7698/https://royorbisonjr.com/2017/10/09/tom-petty-2/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

While working to answer a letter about a particular period in Neil Young's musical history, the guy's uncover an unexpected tear jerker of a story centered around the love of a father.Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookWin Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n rollorigin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this?Send us your story to [email protected] to get in the running. See the Louder Than Life line-up! SHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_YoungThe Squires - The Sultan: https://open.spotify.com/track/51nTjfDyu4EgVqlmvB3PQg?si=73afca22d5d6408bThe Pitchfork review of Trans: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/22905-trans/https://thedissolve.com/features/interdisciplinary/94-the-dovetailing-musical-and-directorial-careers-of/https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/trans-the-overlooked-prescience-of-neil-youngs-electro-album/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody%27s_Rockin%27https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_(Neil_Young_album)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody%27s_Rockin%27https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_(album)https://rockcelebrities.net/the-tragic-story-of-the-diseases-neil-youngs-children-suffered/https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/magazine/neil-young-comes-clean.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%C2%B7ac%C2%B7tor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys follow the Manson family from their time with a Beach Boy through the grisly murders that defined an address - and to the rocker who made a landmark album at the scene of their crime.. Support the show on PatreonSee the show on YouTubeVisit the show on InstagramVisit the show on FacebookWin Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n rollorigin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this?Send us your story to [email protected] to get in the running. See the Louder Than Life line-up! SHOW NOTES:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Lane_Blacktophttps://www.biography.com/crime/charles-manson-dennis-wilson-friendshiphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Wilsonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Melcherhttps://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/how-music-producer-terry-melcher-was-tied-to-charles-mansonhttps://time.com/5633973/last-manson-interview/https://www.history.com/news/spahn-ranch-manson-familyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10050_Cielo_Drivehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mich%C3%A8le_MorganTrent Reznor’s New Wave Band: https://youtu.be/iWccbyICM_A?si=ERE7Avu2rRKvLO6z https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotic_Birdshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Hate_Machinehttps://www.loudersound.com/features/nine-inch-nails-downward-spiral-story-behind-albumhttps://adamsteiner.uk/2020/10/31/real-horrorshow-the-downward-spiral-and-trent-reznors-house-of-horrors/Cielo Drive house camcorder walk-through: https://youtu.be/HwuEPJr847M?si=JVsJUEzsuMJj-kQghttps://www.revolvermag.com/music/revolutionary-vision-nine-inch-nails-studio-visit-trent-reznor/https://discover.hubpages.com/entertainment/Hollywood-Macabre-Nine-Inch-Nails-Mariyln-Manson-Cielo-Drivehttps://faroutmagazine.co.uk/nine-inch-nails-connection-sharon-tate-murders/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gave_Uphttps://discover.hubpages.com/entertainment/Hollywood-Macabre-Nine-Inch-Nails-Mariyln-Manson-Cielo-Drive Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.