Season 1, Episode 4: “It only takes a few”

Scott is deep undercover in the Outlaws, becoming close friends with members of the dangerous biker gang. But you can only get so deep for so long. And now Scott is at risk of losing everything: his marriage, his body and his mind.

Scott Payne is a big, intimidating, Harley-riding guy. He’s the perfect choice to infiltrate the Outlaws Motorcycle Club. For him, it’s a dream assignment - getting inside an international criminal organization whose arch-rival is the Hell's Angels. Then, things go bad. Really bad. 

How does a young, self-proclaimed redneck end up becoming one of the most storied undercover agents of our time? We trace Agent Payne’s path from a satan-worshiping southern high school student, all the way to becoming a “Hillbilly Donnie Brasco.” 

After chatting online, it’s FBI undercover Special Agent Scott Payne's first in-person meeting with The Base. Alone. Now he just needs to convince the international neo-Nazi network that he's one of them.To hear all episodes of White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse right now, ad-free, subscribe to CBC True Crime Premium on Apple Podcasts.

Coming March 25, 2025. FBI undercover agent Scott Payne’s job was to infiltrate the most dangerous gangs of our times: outlaw bikers, drug cartels and the international neo-Nazi networks hellbent on inciting a race war. In the second season of White Hot Hate, host Michelle Shephard gives you an unvarnished view of a life undercover. Because after a 28-year-long career pretending to be somebody else, Agent Payne is ready to tell his side of the story. Hear all episodes early and ad-free by subscribing to CBC True Crime Premium.

Patrik Mathews could be facing up to 25 years in prison for U.S. firearm offences. His and others’ arrests may have destroyed the appeal of accelerationist groups like The Base — but where is the movement heading now? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

We speak with ‘Roman Wolf,’ the founder of The Base. Who is he really? Why did he start a white supremacist network? And with half a dozen members behind bars, what comes next? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Some members of The Base are planning deadly attacks that they hope will spark a race war. Will they be stopped, before it's too late? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

Outed as a member of The Base, Patrik Mathews disappears. His abandoned truck is discovered near the Canada-U.S. border. He could be heading to a training camp. But what exactly are they training for? For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840

When recruitment posters for a white supremacist network start appearing around town, Winnipeg Free Press journalist Ryan Thorpe decides to go undercover and infiltrate the group. For transcripts of this series, please visit: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/white-hot-hate-transcripts-listen-1.6226840