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I’m a strong believer that you should sell to B2B buyers the same way you sell to B2C prospects. If you don’t believe this, you should listen to this conversation with B2C expert, Josh Koplin. He’s here to share why B2B prospects want the same experience as B2C customers and how you can give it to them.Meet Josh KoplinAs Co-founder and CRO of EDEN, a home services SaaS startup, Joshua Koplin spearheads the company's mission to equip contractors with innovative technology, fostering business growth and exceptional customer experiences.&nbsp;His extensive experience in finance, innovation, and business development includes leading the IPO for Japan’s largest renewable energy developer, RENOVA Inc., and previous roles in investment banking and M&amp;A at J.P. Morgan.Adopting a B2C Experience into the B2B WorldThe B2B prospects in the fancy offices are also the same ones doing B2C buying. They see what it takes to make someone buy, and they want that same experience when a B2B seller is offering them a service or product.Josh shares how his company is modernizing the sales process to provide instant gratification. He studies what consumers want and applies that knowledge to the HVAC and home services space.Overcoming Pricing ChallengesIn the B2C world, the price of a product or service is right there in your face. However, it’s often hidden in the B2B world.&nbsp;Josh shares that online pricing is often the first thing on a buyer’s priority list, and they will have this in mind when searching for a product. Adopting upfront pricing allows a B2B consumer to feel more comfortable about their buying decision.He also explains why it’s still essential for sellers to include the benefits of a product along with the pricing to provide a better experience for those in the B2B world.AI Search Changing Both WorldsIn the B2C and B2B worlds, AI has completely changed the way we look for information on Google. Before you can even scroll down, you see AI gathering the data you need.It makes old-school SEO methods obsolete, so how can you ensure your business still reaches the ranks?Josh shares that the best thing for B2B sellers to do is to put their "kitchen table conversations" online. This is where you act as the consultant and listen to your customers' pain points, needs, and wants. You provide everything they need to know to help them make informed decisions.Josh also goes into what zero-click searches are and how they are affecting the B2B world.“AI search and consumers are turning more towards the kitchen table conversations online. The more helpful you are, the greater the chance of conversation from consumers.” - Josh Koplin.&nbsp;ResourcesIf you want to connect with Josh, you can reach him by email at [email protected] can also connect with him on LinkedInSponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at <a...

It’s a gut-wrenching pain to work so hard to win a prospect over only for them to tell you no. If this often happens to you, you may be doing something that strikes a deep no in your prospects.To help you figure out what you’re doing wrong and influence prospect behaviors more positively, listen to this conversation with my guest, Jake Stahl. He's here to help you rewire how you lead and sell to achieve greater success.Meet Jake StahlJake Stahl is the creator of Neurostrategy, the CEO of Orchestraight, and a globally sought-after behavioral trainer.&nbsp;He has trained leaders in 47 states and six countries, focusing on replacing outdated tactics with high-conversion conversations grounded in psychology and performance.Often called "the man who can create the perfect conversation," Jake is renowned for his ability to decode resistance in real time and fundamentally change how individuals lead, sell, and achieve success.Why Prospects Aren’t BuyingYou may think prospects aren’t buying just because of how bad the economy is, but your unconscious actions may also be the reason.Jake shares how most sellers tend to make excuses, but the reality is that everyone buys based on perception and emotion. Sellers often use the wrong verbiage with prospects, failing to effectively convey that the product they offer is worth the money.He also details linguistic programming and future pacing, explaining how sellers can use these techniques to help prospects justify spending money on the offered product or service.&nbsp;Jake shares how it’s more than just telling customers about the features and benefits; it’s about painting a picture so the client can see how their life will be better with the product.Sales Leaders Helping Reps Paint PicturesIf you pay attention to the ads for cruise ships, you'll notice that they’re not selling the features of the boat. They’re selling the experience—laughter in the sun and fun in the water. Switching from selling features and benefits to selling an experience like this can be hard for some reps, so how can leaders help?Jake says it starts with how you present yourself to the prospect. Listen to how a sentence sounds when you’re using verb versus noun verbiage. For example, “I love dogs,” versus “I’m a dog lover.” He goes into detail on how the difference in verbiage can help sellers change the way they sell products to prospective buyers.Also, Jake shares an interesting study on the power of using the word “because.” It holds more weight in pushing a deal forward than you might think.How to Break ConditionsPeople are conditioned to respond in certain ways, and starting a conversation off with something like, "Hi, how are you doing?" may be triggering prospects to avoid talking to you.Jake says this kind of introduction preconditions prospects to see you as a sales rep, and mentally, other factors start to take place without you knowing it.&nbsp;To get a genuine conversation, you need a genuine opener. Coming up with different openers will break these conditions and help prospective buyers engage with you when you call them.“The reality is that if customers don’t see how those features and benefits will make their lives better, it’s not just going to work for them.” - Jake Stahl.&nbsp;ResourcesConnect with Jake on LinkedIn&nbsp;You can also reach out to him at [email protected]&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by...

It's undeniable that B2B prospecting has changed, and what used to work probably isn't working for you anymore.That's why I invited my guest, Yoni Tserruya, the CEO and co-founder of Lusha, to share insights on what's changing in the B2B prospecting world and what you can do to adapt to these changes to keep closing deals.Meet Yoni TserruyaAfter noticing how easy it was to connect with anyone in the world thanks to social media, Yoni also observed that customers were becoming more accustomed to generic outreach.&nbsp;He created the company Lusha to help sellers craft messages that prevent their customers from ignoring their outreach attempts.Personalization Matters in SalesA friend of mine shared how some of their reps are getting 50 booked appointments per month. However, they’re sending a crazy number of emails to get those appointments. Even though they’re closing deals, it’s happening at such a slow pace that it seems pointless.Yoni shares how more personalization in emails is important and how it helps sellers book more meaningful appointments. He also explains how the future of sales relies on relevance to help keep their pipeline filled.How to Become More PersonalThanks to AI technology, we are now able to cut down the time spent on finding data. But what you might not realize is how it can be used to make your outreach more personal.Yoni explains how AI tools are wonderful for all non-selling activities, while sellers should focus on building relationships and connecting with prospects. Separating the tasks between sellers and AI tools will allow outreach to stay personal.Yoni provides details on how his product, Lusha, helps sellers make their outreach more personal for customers. He explains how it prevents you from having to waste time switching between different products and how it makes the prospecting process easier.“We want to make salespeople human again. We want to bring back what they love to do, what they’re good at, and what they signed up to do.” - Yoni Tserruya.&nbsp;ResourcesFor more help personalizing your outreach, check out the AI sales tool Lusha.&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.CreditsAs one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: thesalesevangelist.com/survey<a href="https://tsesales.typeform.com/to/lc5yAa8P"...

Selling a product to a single customer can be challenging, but what happens when they need to advocate for your product within their organization internally?Their internal selling efforts often fall short, causing deals to stall or fail. That's why I've brought in Todd Rychecky, General Manager and Head of Out-of-Band Management Solutions at Lantronix.&nbsp;In this episode, he'll share strategies for how sellers can empower their customers to effectively champion products to their teams, thereby keeping deals progressing through the pipeline.Meet Todd RycheckyAt Lantronix, Todd provides strategic leadership, financial management, operational oversight, cross-functional collaboration, and team development.&nbsp;&nbsp;Before Lantronix, he was VP Sales Americas for Opengear and was responsible for developing and executing sales strategies, business development initiatives, and hiring and developing an award-winning sales team.&nbsp;For 13 consecutive years, Rychecky and his Opengear sales teams experienced year-over-year sales growth.&nbsp;He has a wide range of experiences, including sales, marketing, channel development, strategic accounts, OEM partnerships, business development initiatives, and product management launch initiatives.&nbsp;&nbsp;Understanding Internal SellingWhile sellers typically focus on external sales and buyers handle internal advocacy within their organizations, sellers still have a crucial supporting role in helping their buyers convince their teams of the value proposition.Todd explains that internal selling is increasingly critical for success because it requires buy-in from internal stakeholders to support new ideas and initiatives within the company.If your own team isn't enthusiastic about a deal, it's unlikely your customers will be either.&nbsp;Consider implementing internal listening to understand the needs and desires of everyone on your team. This practice can significantly help build rapport, strengthen relationships, and foster trust.Todd shares how sellers should use the same effective tactics they employ in external selling when assisting their customers with internal selling. Ask questions to help discover internal objections and always lead with why the company should buy the product instead of the what.&nbsp;How Can Leaders Help Reps with Internal SellingIf you're concerned about your sales team's ability to support internal selling by their customers, Todd advises that a key strategy is to cultivate relationships with multiple contacts within the prospect organization.Selling to more than one individual and securing broader internal buy-in significantly increases the likelihood of successfully closing a deal. To facilitate this, sales leaders should coach their reps on identifying key internal stakeholders and developing tailored communication strategies for each.“Before you win outside the walls of your company, you’ve got to win inside them.” - Todd Rychecky.ResourcesConnect with Todd Rychecky on LinkedIn&nbsp;You can also reach him by email at [email protected]&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to...

Discovery calls can be just as nerve-wracking as cold calls. What if something goes wrong and makes the deal collapse?In this episode, I’m going to tell you how to keep that from happening. Fixing this one mistake will ensure every discovery call goes smoothly.What Sales Mistake Did I Make?During one of my discovery calls, I made a simple mistake: assuming that everything would go well. I thought it was going to be so easy to close the deal that I forgot to make sure all the right people attended the meeting with me.The deal didn’t move through the pipeline, all because I assumed that the person I was meeting with had all the control over closing it.How to Fix the Sales Mistake?Here’s what I learned from this sales mistake: instead of guessing that the person I’m meeting with is going to bring the right people along, I let them know upfront.As a consultant, it’s my moral obligation in the discovery call to paint the picture of what needs to happen.Typically, I’ll let them know I need these three people on the call to help progress the deal. I also explain why they should be there during the call and how it will move the deal forward.Be the consultant and embrace the awkwardness of telling them what to do. You’re the sales expert, and prospects see you as such, even when you don’t see yourself that way.Taking charge of who needs to be a part of the deal will keep it from falling apart during the discovery call, so don’t be afraid to speak up.“You’re the professional. You’re the one who's done this before. Since you have climbed Mt. Everest, don’t rely on someone else's climate to tell you what’s supposed to be happening.” - Donald C. Kelly.&nbsp;ResourcesConsider using Aligned to better illustrate your stories and resonate with your prospects.For consistent practice and guidance in becoming a more impactful seller, join my Mastermind class.I'd love to connect with you on LinkedIn! Reach out if you need more support with storytelling or simply want to expand your network.Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.CreditsAs one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: <a href="http://thesalesevangelist.com/survey" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

Ever lie awake at night wondering where your next deal is going to come from? Does the constant stream of rejection fill your future with uncertainty?Hearing constant "nos" can cause you to develop a scarcity mindset, and honestly, it's not only destroying your pipeline but also your company's potential.Authentic sales expert Scott Ramey joins us in this episode to guide you through the essential shift from scarcity vs. abundance. He's here to lead and inspire sellers, leaders, and businesses to build trust, take action, and drive results by adopting an abundance mentality.Meet Scott RameyScott Ramey, an authentic sales expert and former Fortune 500 C-Suite Executive, brings over three decades of corporate experience and more than $100 billion in successful sales.&nbsp;As the Founder of The Ramey Group, he is a seasoned leader, speaker, and mentor. Notably, Scott served as an EVP at Transamerica, Nationwide, and Corebridge Financial, where he raised hundreds of billions of dollars and led large teams.&nbsp;His deep expertise in business development, team building, and leadership empowers individuals and organizations to achieve remarkable success.Scarcity Vs. Abundance Mindset: Let’s Talk About ItWhy is the scarcity vs. abundance conversation so important for us to discuss? Scott shares how it all starts with the law of vibration. What you bring to the meeting with your prospects will be felt by them.If you’re nervous, desperate, or upset, they will feel it no matter how much you try to hide it. The scarcity mindset tends to run prospects off, but with authentic interest, you may be able to reel them back into the conversation.Scott also dives into how people tend to carry their day-to-day burdens on their shoulders without realizing it, even him.&nbsp;At 19, he had his first anxiety attack, but kept his anxiety to himself until he opened up to his daughter two years ago. He realized how much was lifted off his shoulders, just by opening up to someone.&nbsp;He now encourages other sellers to find a mindful activity that helps them calm their minds so they’re not bringing a scarcity mindset into conversations with their prospects.Developing an Abundant Mindset: How Can Sales Leaders HelpScott shares how sales leaders can help their reps with a scarcity vs. abundance mindset:Don’t have unrealistic expectations or quotas.Create an environment that’s safe to learn and develop.If you just start there, sales leaders can help remove the pressure from their sales reps. This will allow them to grow into an abundant mindset that helps drive sales.“When tension exists, the outcomes will not align.” - Scott Ramey.ResourcesLearn more about Scott and his teachings at thescottramey.comConnect with Scott on LinkedIn&nbsp;&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at <a...

Tired of endless voicemails and angry prospects? Even studies show that the most troubling part of the sales process for sellers is prospecting.&nbsp;I have four tips in this episode to help you out. Go ahead and give it a listen, it’ll give you the strength to keep pushing through and land more deals.Stay MotivatedWhat I like to do every morning is say a little prayer. This helps me get ready for the day and work on getting more clients.Even if you’re an atheist or practice a different faith, you can still do affirmations to help send out positive vibes.Set a goal in the morning to pray or say mantras to set a positive focus on your subconscious thinking.Have a ChecklistI like to use my sales planner to create a goal to help me push through prospecting. For example, I might say I want to do 20 meaningful outreach activities and get at least five conversations with the end goal of gaining at least one appointment. This simple task keeps me focused on prospecting to reach my goal.Try reading the book Go for No by Richard Fenton and Andrea Waltz to help you push through the “nos” to get to the “yeses.”Use Call OpenersI tested some call openers in episode 1887, and a lot of the time they do work. Test them yourself and see how they work for you the next time you do cold calling.There’s Always SuccessYou might be going through the storm now, but it won’t always last. Eventually, you’ll be seeing sunny days and rainbows in your career as long as you push through and don’t give up."Our solution serves a purpose, and our job is to go out there and find the person who needs it. Saying that mantra each day helps you perform better in your prospecting." - Donald Kelly.ResourcesCurious how "no" can lead to "yes"? Check out Go for No!For consistent practice and guidance in becoming a more impactful seller, join my Mastermind class.I'd love to connect with you on LinkedIn! Reach out if you need more support with permission-based cold calls or simply want to expand your network.Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.CreditsAs one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to improve the quality of our show. Complete our two-minute survey here: <a...

You're having wonderful discovery calls, but stakeholders are taking forever to get back to you.&nbsp;This tends to make deals move like molasses in winter. What if I tell you that you're going to have to get a bit creative to accelerate deals through the pipeline?&nbsp;Rebecca Kravitz, sales professional and co-founder of Meople, is here to share how games can grab prospects' attention and help increase deal velocity. Check it out and move deals faster with this unique method.Meet Rebecca KravitzThe concept of using board games to capture prospects' attention comes from Rebecca and her co-founder creating a game for her grandfather's 80th birthday. After seeing how amazed he was by it, they decided to build customizable gaming software for the B2B world.She believes that sales is all about active listening and understanding the challenges, needs, and persona of the buyer. Board games allow companies and sellers to listen to their customers and provide solutions to them.&nbsp;Bringing Gaming Into the Sales ProcessRebecca says it’s best to bring gaming into the sales process at the beginning, immediately following a call. You can provide a demo so they can get a feel for the customized board game and how your product benefits them.Another perfect time to use it in the sales process is when the deal is stalling and you need to make it move faster through the pipeline.Also, you don’t have to come up with the game rules; Meople does all of that for you.How Can Meople Help Close More Deals?Building customizable games for your prospects—how on earth is this better than traditional sales methods?Rebecca shares that Meople is like a specialized gift for your prospects. The more thought you put into a gift, the more it resonates with the person receiving it. Your prospects see that you’re putting care and effort into their problems and trying to help them solve them.“Sales is all about trust and relationships. Making something that shows you care helps create authentic relationships.” - Rebecca Kravitz.ResourcesLearn more about gamefication in sales at Meople.co.&nbsp;Connect with Rebecca on LinkedIn and Instagram.&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.2.&nbsp;&nbsp;This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not responding to your emails? Sign up for a free 60-day trial of LinkedIn Sales Navigator at linkedin.com/tse.3.&nbsp;&nbsp;This episode is brought to you in part by the TSE Sales Foundation.Improve your connection on LinkedIn and land three or five appointments with our LinkedIn prospecting course. Go to the salesevangelist.com/linkedin.CreditsAs one of our podcast listeners, we value your opinion and always want to...

Sales and marketing teams? Sometimes, they clash like siblings, which tends to hold companies back from hitting their goals.&nbsp;Getting every single seller in the company to have that CEO-level drive? That's a whole other challenge.Is there a way to tackle both of these sales challenges with one simple move? My guest, Garrett Mehrguth, sales and marketing expert and founder of Directive, says yes.&nbsp;He's here to break down how getting sales and marketing on the same page can actually empower individual sellers to think and act like the CEO. Tune in to hear how this alignment can make some serious magic happen.Meet Garrett MehrguthGarrett Mehrguth founded Directive in 2013, which is the largest independent B2B performance marketing agency in the world. Today, Directive boasts a diverse team of more than 130 professionals, located around the world, including the USA, LATAM, Canada, and London, servicing brands like Dropbox, Wiz, AWS, and Gong.He believes true company growth only happens through sales and marketing team collaboration. When both teams ask questions and follow up, they can start thinking outside the box to find leads and close deals.Collaboration FoundationWhat’s the first step to get sales and marketing teams working together? Garrett says sellers need to start attending the weekly marketing meetings.Don’t just say you need to spend more time cold-calling to meet quota; the meeting may help you learn how to perform better with inbound sales and develop solution-selling skills.Not only do you have to understand your product, but you also have to understand your customer and articulate the product’s value to them.Sellers who attend the marketing meeting will be able to bridge the gap between how both teams convey value to leads in their messages.Paid Social vs. Search in the AI WorldGarrett suggests considering paid search as someone in marketing and paid social as someone in sales to understand the difference.He also shares how sales reps tend to believe that paid search ads are better due to their win rates.&nbsp;However, you could probably become the seller of the year by learning how to do more value and solution selling from outbound and paid social methods.Sales &amp; Marketing Account-Based SellingGarrett built his business based on sales and marketing teams using the same account list. Six years ago, with 10,000 accounts to reach, he directed his sales and marketing teams to use account-based selling.He shares why he is so passionate about this sales method and why sellers do themselves a disservice by not being obsessed with the product.“You should know the product better than anyone. The second you become the most obsessed person with the product is the second you get promoted, and the second you start hitting quota.” - Garrett Mehrguth.ResourcesConnect with Garrett on LinkedIn.Learn more about his company at Directive Consulting.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sponsorship OffersThis episode is brought to you in part by Hubspot.With HubSpot sales hubs, your data tools and teams join a single platform to close deals and turn prospects into pipelines. Try it for yourself at hubspot.com/sales.2.&nbsp;&nbsp;This episode is brought to you in part by LinkedIn.Are you tired of prospective clients not