#187: Body Image Inside Out with Deb Schachter and Whitney Otto

Michelle Hirschman, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, is the founder and CEO of Hirschman Clinical Services. HCS provides coaching, case management and support services to empower, resource and inspire clients with a specialty in addiction and recovery, eating disorders and mental health. Michelle’s dedication to empowering people facing challenge has spanned across many fields and populations, including hospice, homeless, nonprofit sectors, chronic mental illness, eating disorders, alcoholism and drug addiction, relapse prevention campaigns and programs, nutritional health, suicide prevention, education, athletics, professionals, business owners, young people, individuals and their families. Her passion for working with people of all backgrounds and lifestyles remains after nearly 20 years in the field and as a business owner. Hirschman Clinical Services is designed to bridge the gap between treatment and independent living, with the focus being on continued life skills development for every client. The coach’s role is to empower, inspire and resource each client and help them find passion and purpose in their lives. The HCS team has served and supported thousands of clients, whether suffering from an eating disorder, addiction, mental health struggle, relationship challenges or the stress of managing daily life.   We discuss topics including: Understanding the concept of “coaching” What is “5 Prong Therapy”? What does coaching eating disorder clients look like? The importance of socially integrate going out into the world The benefits of working with a coach when in treatment   SHOW NOTES: www.hirschmanclinicalservices.com instagram.com/hirschmanclinicalservices ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Janet Goldstein-Ball is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Certified Eating Disorder Specialist Consultant (CEDS-C), and EMDR Certified.  Janet has been in private practice since 2012, and in her current location in Burbank since 2014.  Her special interests are eating disorders, trauma, and working with creative professionals.  In addition to her private practice, Janet was the Eating Disorder Case Manager at Kaiser Permanente’s Department of Psychiatry in Los Angeles from July 2014 to January 2024, where among other duties she co-facilitated the clinic’s “Emotional Overeaters Group.”  Her past experience and training includes working at eating disorder treatment programs, seeing clients at community clinics, and counseling adolescents at a school for students with severe emotional disorders and learning disabilities.   Janet is the co-author of the book “Straight Expectations,” a memoir of her colleague Peggy Cryden’s experiences raising two gay sons, one transgender, along with insights and support for involved family members and friends, clinicians, and the gender non-conforming community.   We discuss topics including: Binge eating disorder (BED) and emotional overeating is complex One of the goals of supporting someone who is struggling with binge eating disorder (BED) is to have intuitive eating (IE) as apart of treatment Binge eating is using as coping mechanisms when an individual is struggle with tolerating uncomfortable feelings Those struggling with (BED) need to do deeper psychological work before embarking on intuitive eating (IE)   SHOW NOTES: www.jgbcounseling.com https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/janet-goldstein-ball-burbank-ca/112848 instagram.com/jgbcounseling   ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Kirsten is a Hall of Fame NCAA Division I volleyball player, a 14-year NIKE executive, a motivational speaker, peak performance coach and the author of Raising Empowered Athletes: A Youth Sports Parenting Guide for Raising Happy, Brave and Resilient Kids. As a coach, she works with athletes, entrepreneurs and leaders, where she helps them learn how to reach their goals by releasing their limitations.  Kirsten's super power is helping people get out of their heads and into their bodies so they can feel their best and perform beyond what even they dreamed possible.  She is the host of the #RaisingAthletes Podcast, where she interviews coaches, athletes, trainers and industry experts about everything youth sports.   We discuss topics including: How do we show up for our neighbors? With kids who are athletes asking the question “Who’s dream is it”? The professionalism of youth sports has changed The importance of feeding, sleep and recovery Recognizing that bodies and minds break down Reflecting on how we can help our kids navigate from our sports experience Learning to make ourselves uncomfortable to help with our own growth   SHOW NOTES: www.kirstenjonesinc.com (podcast) Raising Athletes Podcast (book) Raising Empowered Athletes: A Youth Sports Parenting Guide for Raising Happy, Brave and Resilient Kids https://x.com/kirstenjonesinc   instagram.com/kirstenjonescoach ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Kaitlyn Cornell, LCSW, CEDS-C, is a dedicated therapist specializing in chronic and enduring eating disorders. She completed both her undergraduate and graduate degrees at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC), where she now serves as a Clinical Lecturer in the Social Work Department. In 2019, she founded KC Counseling LLC, a multidisciplinary eating disorder clinic in Champaign, Illinois. When she's not working, Kaitlyn enjoys long walks and indulging in her love for snacks. She is also a proud mom to her 2-year-old son. We discuss topics including: Understanding what is chronic and enduring anorexia nervosa The genetic and biological component of anorexia nervosa Understanding the brain and how malnutrition impacts it What is dopamine?  How dopamine impacts eating disorders The eating disorder voice being so convincing   SHOW NOTES: www.kcounselingllc.com instagram.com/kccounselingllc ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

We discuss topics including: Understanding what is Body Image? What are BBIM’s (Bad Body Image Moments) What to do when you have a BBIM? You are not your body image and body image is not how we look What is the rotary? Understanding body image muscles The importance of naming what is wrong Having compassion for yourself   SHOW NOTES: www.bodyimageinsideout.com ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Stephen Reeder, MA, NCC, LPCC, CEDS is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor and a Certified Eating Disorder Specialist who has been working in the mental health field for over a decade. He has held a variety of clinical and leadership roles ranging from Primary Therapist to Regional Director of Operations.  In addition to eating disorders, his clinical experience includes working with individuals struggling with problem gambling, sex and love addiction, and chemical dependence.  Stephen incorporates his experience as an Acceptance and Commitment Therapist into his leadership style. He has worked with teams to develop a value-centered culture aligned with their core values. Stephen believes in empowering individuals to live a balanced life through mindfulness and committed action by helping them connect to their own personal values.   We Discussed the following: Understanding Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) Acceptance we have little control over thoughts and feelings and we have control over how we respond The focus on what is truly important to us Understanding our values Developing intentional awareness The language we speak in is the language we feel and think in   SHOW NOTES: www.stephenreedercounseling.com https://www.eatingdisorderfoundation.org/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/stephen-reeder-denver-co/1091878 instagram.com/SReederCounseling ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

David Laramie, PhD is a health psychologist who strongly believes in systemic and integrative approaches to healing and wellness. He draws on psychoanalytic, emotion focused, psychedelic, energetic, and somatic approaches in his psychotherapy work.   In both his personal life and professional work, he finds considerable value in mind-body practices such as breath and energy work, biofeedback, meditation, and non-ordinary states of consciousness.  He is a long time board member and past-president of the Los Angeles County Psychological Association.     We discuss topics including: The science of progressive ideas The “nocebo effect” Create more openness in your expectations How studies can “shock” us with thoughts in our mind How to help clients be unstuck Curiosity about psychedelics   SHOW NOTES: www.davidlaramiephd.com http://home-la.com/ ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Adina Silverman, MS, RD, LDN is a Registered Dietitian specializing in the treatment of eating disorders. She is passionate about helping adolescents, teenagers, and adults heal their relationships with food and their bodies. She supports her clients to have the courage to cultivate the relationship with food that feels best to them and reject mainstream diet culture messaging. Her thorough and compassionate approach has impacted many individuals and families and distinguished her as a leader in her professional community. Carolyn Karoll, LCSW-C, CEDS-S, is a highly regarded therapist dedicated to the treatment of eating disorders. Carolyn's insights are featured in various media outlets, including her Psychology Today blog, "Eating Disorder Recovery: Understanding and Overcoming Eating Disorders."  Adina and Carolyn  are co-authors of the book, Eating Disorder Group Therapy: A Collaborative Approach, published in April 2024. Adina and Carolyn co-facilitate the “Thrive” eating disorder recovery group, which they have been leading together since 2016.  We discuss topics including: How to screen for group therapy The importance of screening for people that are “recovery focused” Understanding when cognitive defusion strategies are used and what are they? The importance of hearing about other people's lived experience Being aware the one’s “stuck point” Tools of ACT   SHOW NOTES: Book:  Eating Disorder Group Therapy  A collaborative Approach www.karollcounseling.com instagram.com/karollcounseling www.adinasilverman.com  ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Having struggled with her own eating, food, weight and body image challenges, Anne Founded Shaping Perspectives, A Woman’s Way to Joy, created the Body Joyful Solution and wrote the book The Body Joyful: My Journey from Self-Loathing to Self-Acceptance. She is the leader of the Body Joyful Revolution Community, a global online source of support, encouragement and inspiration for women of all sizes, shapes and weights so that they can say No to diets, reject society’s thin ideal and heal from diet culture. By feeling more comfortable and confident in their bodies and selves they inspire other women and girls to know their true worth, we help reduce body shaming, bullying, weight stigmatization, disordered eating and prevent life threatening eating disorders! We discuss topics including: Body neutrality helps one to develop peace with their body You don’t have to love or hate your body Society tells us to look a certain way How to look at your body as a vehicle you live in instead of focusing on appearance. Focus on the function. “Good gift” and “bad gift” analogy   SHOW NOTES: www.thebodyjoyful.com Unlocking Body Neutrality E-guide instagram.com/annepoirier11   ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.

Amy Chalker, RDN has a private practice and specializes in the treatment of eating disorders, disordered eating behaviors and child/family feeding. She also provides support for clients with co-occurring gastrointestinal disorders.  We discuss topics including: What is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) Understanding histamine and its role in MCAS How MCAS is evaluated The overlap between eating disorders and MCAS Nutritional recommendations The problems with a low histamine diet and MCAS Understanding the elemental diet   SHOW NOTES: www.aicnutrition.com instagram.com/amyisabellachalker https://drtaniadempsey.com/lawrence-afrin/ https://www.amazon.com/Never-Bet-Against-Occam-Activation/dp/0997319615 https://tmsforacure.org/ https://www.mastcellaction.org/ www.gaudianiclinic.com ____________________________________________ If you have any questions regarding the topics discussed on this podcast, please reach out to Robyn directly via email: [email protected] You can also connect with Robyn on social media by following her on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and LinkedIn. If you enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes and subscribe. Visit Robyn's private practice website where you can subscribe to her free monthly insight newsletter, and receive your FREE GUIDE “Maximizing Your Time with Those Struggling with an Eating Disorder”. Your Recovery Resource, Robyn’s new online course for navigating your loved one’s eating disorder, is available now! For more information on Robyn’s book “The Eating Disorder Trap”, please visit the Official "The Eating Disorder Trap" Website. “The Eating Disorder Trap” is also available for purchase on Amazon.