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Hamish McKenzie On Substack And Journalism

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Hamish is one of the co-founders of Substack and its chief writing officer. He’s a former reporter for the tech blog PandoDaily and a former lead writer for Tesla. He’s the author of Insane Mode: How Elon Musk’s Tesla Sparked an Electric Revolution to End the Age of Oil, and his new book is called How to Save the Media. A native New Zealander, and former journalist himself, Hamish has kept writers at the heart of the Substack model, first pioneered by the Dish.

The episode was recorded on November 10, 2026, and aired on November 13. Timestamps for the main sections:

* 06:18: Hamish’s upbringing in New Zealand and his journalism

* 28:00: The early internet and the advent of blogs and the Dish

* 50:00: The rise of social media and Substack’s challenge to it

* 133:27: Substack standing strong against censorship

For two audio clips — when the enshittification of social media began, and the challenges of affordability on Substack — go here and here on YouTube.

More topics covered: Hamish’s mom a teacher of Maori culture; his dad a physicist on the ozone layer; nightlife journalism in Hong Kong; clashing with Elon and his lawyers; meeting his Substack co-founders working at Kik; the pamphleteering era ended by newspapers; the pioneering of Matt Drudge; Kinsley and Slate; Evan Williams and Blogger; the origins of the Daily Dish; mass intimacy; war bloggers after 9/11; the Dish getting donations in 2002; blogging at Time, The Atlantic, and The Daily Beast; the ad model failing; the unraveling of mags; the Dish going independent in 2013; TinyPass; Patreon; the Daily Dish retiring; NY Mag firing me and jumping to Substack; Yglesias leaving Vox; Bari selling The Free Press to David Ellison; Tina Brown reborn as a writer; media bias on Israel; cancel-culture threats to Substack; Twitter and enshittification; the internet becoming TV; Grindr and Sniffies; and the challenges of a scaled-up Substack.

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