Paul Wood, AO on Demystifying Lab-Grown Meat & Why it’s a Bad Business Idea

We’ve reached the final episode of the Sustainable Dish podcast, and I am joined by my friend Robb Wolf to help me close it out. During this casual conversation, we look back on how our ideologies and priorities have changed over the years - from the time of a dogmatic approach to Paleo to now when we are better able to incorporate nuance when it’s needed. And it wouldn’t be a conversation with Robb if we didn’t debunk the latest study vilifying meat. The latest study from Harvard finds a correlation between red meat consumption and type 2 diabetes. Like other epidemiological studies before it, this, too falls apart once you start digging into the data. The chat concludes with an update from Robb about what’s in the future for LMNT. And I report the latest news from GFJA. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 271: Fireside Chat with Robb Wolf   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore. This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to Sustainavore and sign up!  

As Sustainable Dish comes to a close, my co-host, James Connolly, and I wanted to reflect on some of our favorite episodes. They may be your favorites if you’ve been a long-time listener. If you are new to the show, these may be the episodes you’ll want to check out first. James and I have had the good fortune to meet incredible and interesting people while learning a lot along the way. Listen in as James and I take a trip down memory lane. Diana’s favorite episodes: Episode 117: Dr. Sylvia Karpagam  Episode 244: Pablo Manzano, PhD  Episode 98: The Stolen Goat with Lauren Manning Episode 173: Nick Offerman Episode 197: Florence Williams  Episode 203: Maui Nui Venison  Episode 248: Well for Culture  Episode 249: Dr. Tommy Wood    James’s favorite episodes: Episode 238: Isle Kohler Rollefson Episode 140: Sean B. Carrol Episode 252: Dan Egan Episode 257: Ulba Bosma  Episode 226: Chloe Sorvino   Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 270: Fireside Chat with James Connolly   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore. This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to Sustainavore and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: LMNT LMNT is my favorite electrolyte company. It's a delicious blend of sodium, magnesium, and potassium to keep you hydrated better than water alone. It's sugar-free and has no dodgy ingredients. Electrolytes are also important in regulating your immune system, helping to keep you healthy during the colder months of cold and flu season.  You can place your order and get a free sample pack of flavors with any purchase at sustainabledish.com/LMNT

It’s no secret that our food system is broken. Food production has been consolidated and corporatized, leading to the illusion of choice and abundance. The reality is a landscape of nutrient-poor, ultra-processed convenience food. As a nation, we are overfed, and undernourished, and “lifestyle” diseases are compromising our health and happiness.  On today’s show, my co-host, James Connolly, sits down for an in-depth conversation with Jennifer Stojkovic. Jennifer is a food-tech leader, founder of Vegan Women Summit (VWS), and author of The Future of Food is Female. That’s right - Jennifer advocates for plant-based eating!  She is also passionate about tapping into the potential of women to change the food system. Her book, The Future of Food is Female, features women who are using their expertise and wisdom to change the food industry. Listen to this episode with an open mind. While I don’t wholeheartedly agree with everything Jennifer states during the conversation, she hits on many of the same points we’ve discussed in previous episodes.  It’s time to see past our differences and look for common ground.  James and Jennifer dive into a nuanced and respectful discussion around many hot-button issues plaguing the current food environment. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 269: Jennifer Stojkovic   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get free downloads and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore. This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to Sustainavore and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: NativePath NativePath collagen is a brand that you can trust, and it's the collagen that I personally use and I recommend as a dietitian. Learn seven reasons why each of us should be consuming more collagen at sustainabledish.com/restore. I recommend Native Path because it is: Sourced from only pasture-raised bovine hide,  Made with only 1 ingredient Consistently formulated with 10 grams of the highest quality, grass-fed, type one and type three collagen which makes up 90% of the collagen in your body Completely flavorless and blends smoothly into any liquid - hot or cold! You can get NativePath collagen as low as 45% off plus free shipping by going to sustainabledish.com/nativepath. Jump on this deal and start restoring your health with NativePath grass-fed collagen.  

Will Harris, owner of White Oak Pastures, has been a guest on Sustainable Dish many times. This time, he is joined by his daughters, Jenni and Jodi. They are part of the 5th generation in this 6-generation family farm in Bluffton, Georgia. They’ve helped turn White Oak into more than a farm but a tourist destination. On this episode of the show, I chat with the Harris Family about how White Oak Pastures has evolved over the years and revitalized the town of Bluffton. Not only do they ship their high-quality meat all over the US, but they also offer: Home goods made from byproducts from their herds,  Workshops and educational events for those who want to learn more about regen ag  A full-scale restaurant that serves 3 meals a day, 7 days a week, featuring ingredients fresh from the farm And an RV park and cabin rentals so you can see it all for yourself Will latest project is his book, A Bold Return to Giving a Damn: One Farm, Six Generations in the Future of Food. It’s out now! I am asking my community to go out and get the book immediately. First-week sales are critical in helping a book get on bestseller lists. This is not simple for the accolades. When a book is distinguished on these lists, it brings the media, which means more attention to the regenerative agriculture movement. Let’s work together to get the word out. Then, come back and listen in while I chat with Will, Jenni, and Jodi. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 268: White Oak Pastures   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get free downloads and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore. This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to Sustainavore and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: LMNT LMNT is my favorite electrolyte company. It's a delicious blend of sodium, magnesium, and potassium to keep you hydrated better than water alone. It's sugar-free and has no dodgy ingredients. Electrolytes are also important in regulating your immune system, helping to keep you healthy during the colder months of cold and flu season.  You can place your order and free sample pack of flavors with any purchase at sustainabledish.com/LMNT  

Gareth Wyn Jones is a hill farmer in Wales and a passionate advocate for grazing livestock as a means for environment and human health. Gareth’s family has been grateful stewards of the land for 375 years, growing produce and raising livestock. He has been using his media presence to provide honest information about farming in hopes of sending the message that livestock is not the primary source of our environmental woes.  He acknowledges the divide between urban and rural and the loss of our connection to the land. The divide creates the opportunity for people to be easily misguided and misled by the people in power.  Gareth’s message is for people to come together and “build a better world on our bellies.” Listen in and get inspired by Gareth’s message. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 267: Gareth Wyn Jones   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get free downloads and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore. This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to Sustainavore and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: Native Path Native Path collagen is a brand that you can trust, and it's the collagen that I personally use and I recommend as a dietitian. Learn seven reasons why each of us should be consuming more collagen at sustainabledish.com/restore. I recommend Native Path because it is: Sourced from only pasture-raised bovine hide,  Made with only 1 ingredient Consistently formulated with 10 grams of the highest quality, grass-fed, type one and type three collagen, which makes up 90% of the collagen in your body Completely flavorless and blends smoothly into any liquid - hot or cold! You can get Native Path collagen as low as 45% off plus free shipping by going to sustainabledish.com/nativepath. Jump on this deal and start restoring your health with Native Path grass-fed collagen.

Andrea Bemis started her blog, Dishing Up the Dirt, as a way to document her life as a farmer and home cook. When she and her husband, Taylor, wanted to settle down, they moved to his family farm in Massachusetts. Eventually, they wanted to start something for themselves, so  Andrea and Taylor bought six acres in Parkdale, Oregon, which became Tumbleweed Farm. Through farming, Andrea found a love of food. She began by sharing recipes with her CSA, which grew into a book, Dishing Up the Dirt. Now, Andrea is a mother with a passion for instilling an appreciation for food in her children. Her newest book, Let Them Eat Dirt, features simple,  nutrient-dense foods perfect for the pickiest eaters. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 266: Andrea Bemis   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get early access to ad-free podcasts, free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore.  This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to sustainavore.com and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: Native Path Native Path collagen is a brand that you can trust, and it's the collagen that I personally use and I recommend as a dietitian. Learn seven reasons why each of us should be consuming more collagen at sustainabledish.com/restore. I recommend Native Path because it is: Sourced from only pasture-raised bovine hide,  Made with only 1 ingredient Consistently formulated with 10 grams of the highest quality, grass-fed, type one and type three collagen, which makes up 90% of the collagen in your body Completely flavorless and blends smoothly into any liquid - hot or cold! You can get Native Path collagen as low as 45% off plus free shipping by going to sustainabledish.com/nativepath. Jump on this deal and start restoring your health with Native Path grass-fed collagen.  

There’s lots of buzz around lab-grown meat right now, and you may be thinking, “What is this stuff?” On this episode, I am joined by Paul Wood, AO (Officer of the Order of Australia), who is going to give us a crash course on lab-grown meat, including the process of growing meat from cells, all in inputs involved, actual cost behind production, and the final product results. Paul takes the emotion, ethics, and politics out of the issue by focusing only on the business and technology aspects.  Through his analysis, he has come to one conclusion - it won’t work - at least in its current form. There is a lot of work and tech advancement needed to produce cell-based meat at a level to make good on the lofty promise of feeding the world. Succinctly put, the technology works, but the business models don’t. As an immunologist with decades of experience in vaccinations and large-scale fermentation, Paul has an in-depth understanding of what it takes for these tech companies to produce food-grade products and the challenges they are up against. Check out Paul’s article: Eight Key Questions about Lab-Grown Meat. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 265: Paul Wood, AO   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get early access to ad-free podcasts, free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore.  This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to sustainavore.com and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: LMNT LMNT is my favorite electrolyte company. It's a delicious blend of sodium, magnesium, and potassium to keep you hydrated better than water alone. It's sugar-free and has no dodgy ingredients. Electrolytes are also important in regulating your immune system, helping to keep you healthy during the colder months of cold and flu season.  You can get a free sample pack of flavors with any purchase at sustainabledish.com/LMNT and place your first order.  

“What to eat?” This is a question we ask ourselves several times a day.  The answer seems simple enough, but there are endless factors that drives this decision: your values, budget, time, mood, and last but not least - taste.  To answer this question, Martin Cohen, PhD, taps into philosophy. Dr. Cohen is a British philosopher who blends “psychological and social studies with philosophical theory” and aims to explain complex problems in easy-to-understand ways.  His latest book is I Think Therefore I Eat: The World’s Greatest Minds Tackle the Food Question. Throughout this book, Dr. Cohen uses the wisdom of philosophers to answer the question: “What to eat?” Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 264: Martin Cohen, PhD   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get early access to ad-free podcasts, free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. And if you're looking for a guide to get your diet back on track so you feel your very best, plus learn more about meat’s role in a healthy, sustainable, and ethical food system, check out Sustainavore.  This is my signature course to help you eat for your health, the planet, and your values. For more information, head to sustainavore.com and sign up!   Show support for the podcast by visiting our sponsors: Native Path Native Path collagen is a brand that you can trust and it's the collagen that I personally use, and I recommend as a dietitian. Learn seven reasons why each of us should be consuming more collagen at sustainabledish.com/restore. I recommend Native Path because it is: Sourced from only pasture-raised bovine hide,  Made with only 1 ingredient Consistently formulated with 10 grams of the highest quality, grass-fed, type one and type three collagen, which makes up 90% of the collagen in your body Completely flavorless and blends smoothly into any liquid - hot or cold! You can get Native Path collagen as low as 45% off plus free shipping by going to sustainabledish.com/nativepath. Jump on this deal and start restoring your health with Native Path grass-fed collagen.  

We are dipping back into the archives to bring you an episode especially for “Supplement September.” We are taking a deep dive into the importance of nutrition for fertility and pregnancy. While women often shoulder the responsibility of all things related to preconception and birth, my guest today, Ayla Barmmer, MS, RDN, LDN says that nutrition in men during this time is just as critical. For over 15 years, Ayla has been advancing the health and empowerment of thousands of clients, patients, peers, and mentees, at the intersection of nutritional science, functional medicine, and evidence-based holistic solutions. Ayla owns and operates Boston Functional Nutrition, an integrative and functional nutrition multi-clinician practice that specializes in women’s health and infertility. She is also the founder of FullWell, a fertility wellness brand, widely endorsed by health practitioners for its quality and education.  Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 263: [Recycled] Ayla Barmmer, RD   Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get early access to ad-free podcasts, free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work. A big thanks to the sponsor of today’s show, LMNT.  LMNT is an electrolyte drink mix that has everything you need and nothing you don’t -  no artificial ingredients, food coloring, gluten, fillers, or sugar!  LMNT comes in lots of great flavors, and when you go to sustainabledish.com/LMNT, you’ll get a free sample pack with your purchase. Plus, they have a convenient subscription program that makes it easy for you to keep your favorite flavors fully supplied. Head over to sustainabledish.com/LMNT to give it a try.

My good friend, Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac, is back on the show. It’s been a while since our last conversation, so today, we are catching up on what’s new in his world. As an internationally recognized leader in ancestral health and functional integrative medicine, you may be familiar with his work. He is the author of The Paleo Cure and Unconventional Medicine and the founder of the ADAPT Practitioner Training Program.  In an effort to reach more lives, he developed the supplement line,  Adapt Naturals, a streamlined stack of supplements designed to meet the most critical needs.  If you are like me, you may be skeptical of the supplement industry. And there is good reason to be - financial interests, misleading information, poor quality products, and the list goes on. It is difficult to find supplements that you can trust and that actually work. With Chris’s extensive research and time interacting with patients, I put my trust in his products above the rest. This is the perfect episode if you have supplement confusion, looking to update your routine or have questions about the recent popularity of mushroom-based products on the market. Episode resources and transcripts are available at www.sustainabledish.com. You can also watch this episode on YouTube: Episode 262: Chris Kresser  Episode Credits: Thank you to all who’ve made this show possible. Our hosts are Diana Rodgers and James Connolly. Our producer is Emily Soape. And, of course, we are grateful for our sponsors, Global Food Justice Alliance members, and listeners. GFJA members get early access to ad-free podcasts, free downloads, and you’ll be helping get healthy protein like meat, fish, and eggs to food-insecure kids. Go to sustainabledish.com/join to support my work.