Sought, Surrender, and the Alien Erotics of Inevitability

Dame Jodie Slaughter is back to discuss Sought by Evangeline Anderson, a sci-fi alien romance from the Brides of the Kindred series featuring twin alien heroes, fated mates, dubiously consensual erotic worldbuilding, and a surprisingly useful framework for understanding what different readers seek from romance. Rather than treating Sought as simply good, bad, hot, weird, or problematic, we use it as a case study in readerly fantasy: why do some romance novels need to name coercion explicitly, while others use worldbuilding to make coercion feel erotic or safe? And what happens when a book’s fantasy is legible but fundamentally not yours? We talk about dubious consent, consensual non-consent, body betrayal, alien biology, plus-size desirability fantasies, “safe” dangerous men, competence porn, monster/self-cest logic, paranormal romance, sexy animals, and why Andrea wants everyone to stop talking and negotiate better while Jodie is perfectly willing to be carried away by the right kind of chaos. This is an episode about Sought, but it is also an episode about reader reception: not whether a fantasy is objectively good or bad, but what emotional problem it solves. -- Discussed: Sought by Evangeline Anderson Guest: Dame Jodie Slaughter, Shelf Love’s Director of Digital Publishing Website | Instagram Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Get the scoop on Julia Quinn's new venture straight from the source: JQ Editions is a subscription book box dedicated to curating historical romance to help new readers discover a love for the subgenre. Julia shares insights about the inspiration behind this project, her curation process, and the challenges facing historical romance in the market today. --Guest: Julia QuinnJQ Editions Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1361360798/jq-editions-julia-quinns-curated-romance-book-box?JQ Editions website: https://jqeditions.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jqeditions/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JQEditions  Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Fangirl Jeanne, fanfic elder, is back to revisit the fan fiction formerly known as “Manacled,” now traditionally published as “Alchemised” by SenLinYu. Three years after our initial discussion about Manacled in episodes 116 and 117, we delve into the transformation of this Harry Potter/”Dramione” (aka Draco-Hermione) + Handmaid’s Tale fanfic into a commercially-published romantasy novel. What happens to subtext when you remove the context of the text? What are the ethics of profiting from fanfic? What’s the harm in supporting derivative works of a prolific anti-Trans activist?File off those serial numbers and sit back and relax an absolute descent into madness as we try to figure out what the heck went on here.To counteract some of the harm of discussing this book, Jeanne suggests supporting trans charities such as the Good Law Project and the Trevor Project.Jeanne also recommends several books by trans authors or featuring trans characters:Reforged by Seth HaddonCemetery Boys by Aiden ThomasHell Followed With Us by Andrew Joseph WhiteA Lady for the Duke by Alexis HallAndrea recommended:A Gentleman’s Gentleman by TJ AlexanderGuest: Fangirl JeanneWebsite | BlueSky | Threads Topics:00:25 Revisiting Manacled: Three Years Later 01:33 The Rise of Fan Fiction in the TikTok Era 03:21 From Fan Fiction to Published Novels 08:11 The Ethics of Consuming Fan Fiction 21:48 Highlighting Trans Charities and Authors 26:55 The Transformation of Manacled to Alchemised 38:31 Alchemised: A Romantasy Review 51:41 The Resonance Dilemma 52:40 Lazy Worldbuilding 52:57 Info Dumps and Pacing Issues 54:21 Immigrant Labor and Alchemy 54:41 Confusing Technology and Setting 56:01 The Good Guy Government 01:00:22 Character Backstories and Relationships 01:10:00 Romantasy and Market Trends 01:11:52 Critique of Alchemised 01:13:55 Final Thoughts and Conclusion Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Have you read Lisa Kleypas's neogothic duology: Devil in Winter and It Happened One Autumn? Tehyah Carver shares her provocative claims about Kleypas’s Wallflower series, including how St. Vincent is a gothic heroine. We also discuss the revisions the author made to the texts around 2021, theories on why the changes were made, and how we feel about them.What differentiates a villain from an interesting character in romance and how have contemporary romance readers' expectations evolved and what are the broader implications of rewriting problematic elements in historical romance fiction?00:00 Tehyah’s Romance Credentials03:57 Lisa Kleypas's Novels07:07 The Magic of Stony Cross Park11:23 Romance Genre and Reader Response18:26 Neogothic Romance and Social Anxieties23:52 Revisions in Romance Novels51:18 What kind of dog is Sebastian St. Vincent?51:55 Sebastian's Villainous Nature and Reader Perspectives53:47 Gothic Elements in Devil in Winter55:48 Sebastian as a Gothic Heroine57:44 Cam's Role and Racial Elements01:06:42 Sebastian's Masculinity and Gender Roles01:15:01 Revisions and Reader Perceptions01:27:01 Don’t be Boring: Concluding Thoughts on RomanceGuest: Tehyah CarverPhD student at Teachers College Columbia University, “real” romance fan and legit scholarInstagram | PhD ProfileDiscussed:Lisa Kleypas Wallflower series: Devil in Winter & It Happened One Autumn: Neogothic Duology, plus Secrets of a Summer NightRoutledge Research Companion to Popular Romance Fiction (2021): Edited By Jayashree Kamblé, Eric Murphy Selinger, Hsu-Ming TeoChapter 4: Gothic Romance by Angela Toscano Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Are readers of dark romance or bodice rippers more morbidly curious than those who read sweet romcoms? Is the allure of horror and scary romance similar. Dr. Coltan Scrivner joins Shelf Love to discuss his new book, “Morbidly Curious,” and its insights on why people are drawn to scary media. The conversation delves into how understanding morbid curiosity can provide new perspectives on romance readers, the stereotypes surrounding both horror and romance fans, and the psychological underpinnings of consuming these genres. Dr. Scrivner shares his research on formidability dynamics within horror, how horror media impacts its audience, and the surprising therapeutic benefits they may offer.Guest: Dr. Coltan ScrivnerWebsite | Substack | Book Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

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Impale yourself on your fate: marrying the Devil can be heaven. Semilore Sobande shares her all-time favorite romance, "Devil's Bride" by Stephanie Laurens. This book has it all: Honoria Prudence Anstruther-Weatherby, a heroine who balances strength and vulnerability, and a hero who might just be Batman in disguise and has a similarly ridiculous name. Discover how this historical romance stands out with its compelling characters, feudal fantasies, and unexpectedly humorous plot twists, all while reimagining the dynamics of power and partnership in the Cynster family saga.Guest: Semilore Sobandehttps://english.brown.edu/people/semilore-sobande Learn more about the Ready to Score release event with Dame Jodie Slaughter and Shelf Love host Andrea Martucci on Monday June 9, 2025 at 7pm at Lovestruck Books in Cambridge, MA: https://lovestruck-Jodie-Slaughter.eventbrite.com/?aff=Andrea Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Morgan and Isabeau from the Whoa!mance podcast join to discuss the 2024 film “Your Monster.” We discuss how the movie explores female rage and personal discovery, drawing parallels with romance novel conventions. We are divided in our opinions: did the film succeed in merging romance and horror? The conversation highlights how individual experiences and tastes shape reception of the film, making for an engaging discussion on the intersection of romance, rage, and narrative structure.-Guests: Whoa!mance (Morgan and Isabeau)Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | Website | Listen on any podcast app!Morgan & Isabeau joined me in episode 076 to discuss Strange Love by Ann AguirreandEpisode 089 to Problematize Romanceand108 She-Devil (1989): Who's Entitled To Be Selfish in Love & Life? (Whoa!mance spectacular) Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Alice Murphy, a historical romance author, joins to recommend and discuss under-appreciated non-Regency historical romance. The discussion touches on Alice's upcoming book, "A Showgirl's Rules for Falling in Love," and a rich variety of historical romance novels set in diverse time periods and locations. We travel through Ancient Egypt, medieval Wales, 19th century Japan, the Gilded Age, the Civil Rights Movement in the US in the 1960s, and more. This episode is jam-packed with book recommendations!-Guest: Alice MurphyWebsite | Instagram | A Showgirl’s Rules for Falling in LoveNot recommended: Redeeming LoveRecommended:Ancient to Medieval EraMara, Daughter of the Nile by Eloise Jarvis McGrawDefiant Love by Maura SegerA Husband for Esyllt by Virginie Marconato1500sHis Bride by Gayle Callen1700sFierce Eden by Jennifer Blake1800sFlame on the Sun by Maura SegerA Viscount for the Egyptian Princess by Heba HelmyThe Wild West and BeyondHitched to the Gunslinger by Michelle McLean and Untamed by Lisa RayneTurn of the CenturyA Striking Romance by Lindsey BrooksAs You Desire and The Other Guys’ Bride by Connie BrockwayEarly to Post-War 20th CenturyA Manhattan Heiress in Paris by Amanda McCabeThe Companion by E.E. OttomanPhoenix Pictures series by Brianne GillenMidcenturyLet It Shine by Alyssa ColeA Midnight Feast by Genevieve Turner and Emma BarryMrs. Milner Gets a Kitchen by Jane Hadley Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]

Why do we read Jane Austen but not the authors Jane Austen read and loved? The answer is a BIT more complicated than just "sexism." Guest: Rebecca Romney, rare book dealer and author of the new book, Jane Austen's Bookshelf.Guest: Rebecca RomneyJane Austen's Bookshelf | Type Punch Matrix-Do you have a romance collection, or do you just love looking at other people's collections? Learn more about Romance Novel Collection, a new section of the Shelf Love Substack where I'll be sharing YOUR romance novel collections: https://shelflovepodcast.substack.com/p/introducing-romance-novel-collection  Shelf Love:NEW! Substack for original writing and stuff | Website | Twitter | Instagram | YouTubeEmail: [email protected]