
Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life
01/08/2026
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50:33
What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.
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