Willpower Is Limited: Build the Brain That Gets Things Done PART 2 with Friederike Fabritius

Season 14 Episode 374 reviews neuroscientist Friederika Fabritius on the limits of willpower with tips from Dr. Andrew Huberman's research on how to strengthen the anterior mid-cingulate cortex through deliberate focus and challenging tasks. The episode also reviews the brain's reward system and practical strategies—like Dr. Anna Lembke's 30-day dopamine reset—to protect motivation and long-term self-control. Practical takeaways include conserving willpower by simplifying choices, using meditation and focused exercises to build concentration, deliberately practicing difficult tasks to grow resilience, and rethinking how we reward children to avoid overstimulating their prefrontal cortex. On today's episode #374, we’ll learn: ✔ Practical Tips for Building our Willpower/Resilience/Concentration ✔ The Importance of Understanding our Brain's Reward System for Ourselves and Our Children Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. For today’s Episode 374, we continue our journey into our mind (and brain) with PART 2 of our interview review with neuroscientist, Friederike Fabritius, who we covered on our last EP 373[i] and her book The Leading Brain: Neuroscience Hacks to Work Smarter, Better and Happier. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Today we’re reviewing a topic we’ve covered a few times on this podcast — willpower — that Friederike says “is limited and (that she) tries not to waste on people and processes that are just not worth it.” She explains: “To a certain degree, I try to simplify my life—I have five kids, a career, and I write books. So, in order to manage all of that, I say no to almost everything else. If I say yes to everything, by the end of the day I’m exhausted. If I then sit down at my desk to write, the result would be a disaster because my willpower is already depleted and I feel like collapsing on the couch. So, you need to be wise about not wasting your willpower on things that aren’t worth it.” On Episode 294[ii], “Beyond Our 5 Senses: Understanding and Using the 6 Faculties of Our Mind,” we explored how to develop and use this important mental faculty. I find all six faculties of our mind fascinating—but the will is one of my favorites. It’s what I’m using right now, sitting at my desk on a Saturday, to stay focused long enough to write this episode. YOUR WILL gives you the ability to concentrate. It helps you hold a thought on the screen of your mind, or choose thoughts of success over thoughts of failure. With a highly developed will, you can lock into a task, block out distractions, and accomplish what you set out to do. We also looked at willpower in Episode 344[iii], “The Neuroscience of Resilience: Building Stronger Minds and Teams,” where we explored how grit and mental toughness relate to new research from Dr. Andrew Huberman. His work shows what happens in the brain when we develop strong willpower—the same kind of strength we need to overcome adversity or, as Friederike describes, to sit down and write a book after a long day. This discovery even made one of the world’s leading neuroscientists jump out of his chair—and I was right there with him in excitement. I can still remember exactly where I was when I wrote my notes about this—on my cellphone notepad when I learned this brain fact. Did you know there’s a part of the brain called the anterior mid-cingulate cortex? It’s not just one of the centers for willpower—scientists believe it may hold the secret to the will to live. (Dr. Andrew Huberman)[iv] This region increases in size when we do things we don’t want to do—like adding exercise when we’d rather rest, or resisting foods we really enjoy. OR, think about the tasks in your day that you would rather skip over. When you do them anyway, you are strengthening and growing this part of your brain. 🔑 Key Points to Think About with Our Will Power Willpower is Limited – Use It Wisely Friederike explains that willpower depletes throughout the day. Simplifying life and saying “no” to unnecessary things helps conserve mental energy for what truly matters. I always say to fiercely protect your energy and beware of what many would call energy leaks that directly impact our willpower. The Will Is One of the Six Faculties of the Mind Covered originally in EP 294: “Beyond Our 5 Senses.” The will allows us to concentrate, choose thoughts of success, and block distractions or other limiting thoughts that might occasionally creep into our minds. The Neuroscience of Willpower Andrew Huberman’s research shows that developing willpower strengthens brain regions involved in resilience and grit. The anterior mid-cingulate cortex is linked to willpower and even the “will to live.” This brain area grows when we do things we don’t want to do (e.g., exercising or resisting temptation). Making it Personal Think about where YOU use your willpower to stay focused on a task. Like I explained how I have to use my own willpower to sit at my desk on a Saturday to write this episode. This demonstrates willpower in real time and makes the science relatable for all of us. 🧠 Practical Tips to Develop This Faculty of Our Mind: Our Willpower Practice deliberate focus. Meditation strengthens your will, as does a simple candle-gazing exercise—staring at the flame of a candle, until you and the flame become one. I tried this in my late 20s, and after a few hours of focus, I could finally (in this exercise) feel my attention expand beyond distractions. Developing this faculty takes time and patience, but once you master it, you’ll know you can sit, focus, block out the outside world, and do anything. Do challenging, difficult things that you don’t want to do. Every time you push yourself through discomfort, you’re strengthening your anterior mid-cingulate cortex—and in turn, your will to actually live. This part of the brain is larger in athletes, and will increase in size with deliberate challenge. THINK ABOUT THIS: Do you think you push through challenge, or often do things that are difficult EVERY day? Do you think you have a highly-developed willpower? If the answer is yes, keep working on it, because this part of the brain Dr. Huberman noted “will keep its size in those people who live a long time.” VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch In this second clip, Friederike explains why it’s so important to understand the reward system in our brain. She says, “With my kids, I don’t give them everything right away. It’s tempting, because you see their happy faces, but it’s best not to do that—it throws off the reward system in their brain. They need to work for things to work out.” She said “with my kids, I don’t give them everything right away. It’s tempting, we live in a society where we could buy them a present every day. I could give them chocolate every day, it’s tempting because you see their happy faces but it’s best not to do that because it will throw off the reward system in their brain, and they will need to work for things to work out. If you give them everything you ruin their PFC (prefrontal cortex) and then later in life when you’re not there anymore, they will expect the same from their surroundings. And that’d difficult. You will not be there.” Her comment reminded me of our interview with Stanford University’s Dr. Anna Lembke, author of Dopamine Nation on Episode 162[v], where she shared her 30-Day Dopamine Fast designed to help us reset the brain’s reward pathways—especially when, as Friederike mentioned, our prefrontal cortex has been “flooded with dopamine.” When Friederike said this in the interview, it really hit home for me. None of us willingly want to flood our kids’ brains with dopamine — but without understanding how the brain’s reward system works, I realized I was doing exactly that with both of my kids at the time of this interview. Thank goodness there are simple and science-backed ways to reset the brain, like Dr. Anna Lembke’s 30-Day Dopamine Fast. Dr. Lembke uses the acronym DOPAMINE to guide this reset: D – Data: what are you using, how much, how often? O – Objectives: what does it do for you? P – Problems: what are the downsides? A – Abstinence: stop using it for a month and see what happens. M – Mindfulness: be prepared to feel worse before you feel better. I – Insight: notice what you learn when you stop. N – Next Steps: can you move forward without that behavior? E – Experiment: go back out into the world and see what works for you. I used to bribe my kids when they were little with small pieces of chocolate. If I needed them to get in the car quickly, I would say “get in the car and I will give you a chocolate” not realizing what I was doing to the reward system in their brain. When we know better, we can do better. “As parents, Friederike reminds us that understanding that we can in fact flood our children’s brains with dopamine, without realizing it, brings us back to the importance of this understanding of the application of simple neuroscience in our daily lives.” If there’s something you want to change in your life, try going without it for 30 days and observe what happens. As Dr. Lembke notes, even when moderation is possible, many people find it’s easier—and more freeing—to choose abstinence in the long run. 🧠 Key Points: Understanding the Reward System and Dopamine Regulation Friederike on the Reward System: Giving children everything they want can “throw off” their brain’s reward system. It’s important for kids to work for rewards to strengthen their prefrontal cortex (PFC) and build resilience. Connection to Dr. Anna Lembke’s Work (Dopamine Nation): Lembke’s 30-Day Dopamine Fast helps reset the brain’s reward pathways when overstimulated by constant pleasure or instant gratification. The goal is to restore balance in the brain’s dopamine system. The DOPAMINE Acronym: D – Data: What are you using, how much, how often? O – Objectives: What does it do for you? P – Problems: What are the downsides? A – Abstinence: Stop using it for a month and see what happens. M – Mindfulness: Be prepared to feel worse before you feel better. I – Insight: Notice what you learn when you stop. N – Next Steps: Can you move forward without that behavior? E – Experiment: Return to the world and see what works for you. Practical Takeaway: Try a 30-day break from something you rely on (social media, sugar, shopping, etc.) and observe how your brain and mood respond. Parenting Insight: Parents can unintentionally flood their children’s brains with dopamine through constant rewards or treats. Applying simple neuroscience helps promote patience, motivation, and long-term emotional regulation. REVIEW and CONCLUSION As we wrap up Episode 374, and Part 2 of our review of Episode 27 with Friederike Fabritius, we covered two key areas of the brain that we can strengthen with awareness and practice. 🧠 Clip 1: The Neuroscience of Willpower Andrew Huberman’s research shows that developing willpower strengthens brain regions involved in resilience and grit. The anterior mid-cingulate cortex is linked to willpower—and even the “will to live.” This brain area grows when we do things we don’t want to do, like exercising or resisting temptation. 2 Practical Tips to Develop Willpower: Practice deliberate focus. Meditation strengthens your will, as does a simple candle-gazing exercise—staring at a flame until your attention and the flame become one. Do challenging things you don’t want to do. Every time you push through discomfort, you strengthen your anterior mid-cingulate cortex—and your will to live. 💡 Clip 2: Understanding the Reward System and Dopamine Regulation Friederike reminds us that giving children everything they want can “throw off” their brain’s reward system. Kids need to work for rewards to strengthen their prefrontal cortex and build resilience. This connects with Dr. Anna Lembke’s research from Dopamine Nation, where she outlines a 30-Day Dopamine Fast to reset the brain’s reward pathways when they’ve been overstimulated by constant pleasure or instant gratification. Practical Application: Try a 30-day break from something you rely on—like social media, sugar, or shopping—and observe how your brain and mood respond. I hope these two review clips help us all re-think ways to strengthen our willpower and reset our brain’s reward system as we move into a strong final quarter of 2025. I’ll see you next week as we revisit Dr. John Ratey’s work that focuses on exercise and our brain. RESOURCES Video Clip 1 on Will Power https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W6AKDbcII48 Video Clip 2 on our Dopamine Reward System https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c_0W-uesd6o REFERENCES: [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 373 PART 1 with Friederike Fabritius on “Fun, Fear, Focus: Neuroscience Hacks for Peak Performance” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/fun-fear-focus-neuroscience-hacks-for-peak-performance/ [ii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 294 “Beyond Our 5 Senses: Understanding and Using the 6 Faculties of our Mind” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/beyond-our-5-senses-understanding-and-using-the-six-higher-faculties-of-our-mind/ [iii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 344 on “The Neuroscience of Resilience: Building Stronger Minds and Teams”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-neuroscience-of-resilience-building-stronger-minds-and-teams/ [iv] How to Build Willpower Dr. Andrew Huberman with David Goggins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84dYijIpWjQ [v] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 162 with Dr. Anna Lembke on her book “Dopamine Nation”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/medical-director-of-addictive-medicine-at-stanford-university-dr-anna-lembke-on-dopamine-nation-finding-balance-in-the-age-of-indulgence/  

Andrea Samadi revisits her 2019 conversation with neuroleadership pioneer Friederike Fabritius to explore practical neuroscience strategies for better productivity, well-being, and workplace happiness. On this episode, we’ll learn: ✔ Why only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs, and what we can do to change that. ✔ How to use neuroscience to reach peak performance or flow with your work. Neuroscientist and neuroleadership pioneer Friederike Fabritius shows us how three simple ingredients—FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS—can help us find flow and peak performance at work. We’ll also explore why men and women often respond differently to stress, how to identify your unique neurosignature, and practical ways to design a workplace (and a life) that helps your brain thrive ✔ Learn the three key ingredients for flow—fun, fear (challenge), and focus—how the stress–performance curve affects apathy and burnout. ✔ Why tailoring roles to individual neurosignatures (dopamine, serotonin, testosterone, estrogen) can unlock peak performance. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. For today’s Episode 373, we continue our journey into our mind with the next interview review. Just a reminder-this review series began back with Episode 366[i], where in Part 3 we discovered an important lesson: if we don’t like our results—or what we see on the outside—we need to shift our mindset and look within. True change always begins on the inside. We moved onto EP 369[ii] we learned how to Rewire our Brain with Dr. Dawson Church and his Bliss Brain Meditations, and then EP 370[iii] with John Medina’s Brain Rules, where we reviewed how important this understanding of neuroscience is, especially connected to education, teaching and learning. Next we went deeper into our mind and brain with EP 371 and 72 where we with clinical professor of psychiatry from UCLA’s School of Medicine, Dr. Daniel J Siegel and his Mindsight concept, which is the same idea as Theory of Mind, or seeing the mind in another. All of these episodes are helping us to further sharpen of minds and brains, and connect better with others,  for improved productivity and success in our work and personal lives. For today’s EP 373, we go back to EP 27[iv], recorded October 2019, with pioneer in neuroleadership, neuroscientist, Friederike Fabritius[v], from Germany. On this episode, we covered her book, The Leading Brain: Neuroscience Hacks to Work Smarter, Better and Happier. Friederike returned again to the podcast, for EP 258[vi] recorded in November 2022 advancing our conversation with her next book, The Brain Friendly Workplace. Both of these interviews covered important tips that I think we should all take into consideration to be happier, and therefore, more productive at work. Going along with our theme-that if we don’t like what’s going on outside of ourselves, let’s dive deeper into understanding how our brain and minds work. Which brings us back to FRIEDERIKE FABRITIUS, MS, is a neuroscientist and pioneer in the field of neuroleadership. She trained at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research and is an alumna of McKinsey & Company (helping organizations to create change).  Friederike delivers brain-based leadership programs to Fortune 500 executives and organizations around the globe to transform how they think, innovate, and navigate change. I’m always looking for productivity tips that we can all use, and it’s clear that stress in our workplaces is at an all-time high, globally. We know that “2/3 of people report being stressed at work, to the point they can’t sleep at night”[vii]  and in our first clip, Friederike reports that “only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs” and that “40% of people never experience FLOW in their jobs.” I think there has to be another way to find balance here. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Let’s listen to Friederike’s clip on: Why FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS Matter for Flow & Peak Performance  “Only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs. That’s insane. And 40% of people never experience FLOW in their jobs. And (she thinks)  it can be that simple. That everyone can be happy at their jobs. All you need are three simple things. (Friederike calls them ) FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS. And it has to do with a certain mix of neurochemicals in our brain. When we are having fun at work (not the after work party kind of fun) where you have fun after the work is done. I’m thinking of having fun related to the task at hand. And when we are having fun, our brains release a neurochemical called dopamine. Dopamine is a real brain booster. It makes you think faster. It helps you to do everything a bit speedier and better, and makes us more creative.” 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 1 Only 20% of people feel passionate about their jobs (she reported) and about 40% never experience flow—that state of deep concentration where time disappears and performance peaks. Friederike suggests that reaching flow at work requires three key ingredients: FUN → Dopamine from the brain released boosts creativity, speed, and sharper thinking. Not the after-work kind of fun, but enjoyment in the task itself. THINK: Do I enjoy my daily tasks at work? YES- keep going! NO- then you’ve got something to think about FEAR → A sense of challenge or pressure (like deadlines or high stakes) keeps you from slipping into apathy. You want to find the right balance for you, remembering that some people perform better with a sense of threat, while others, don’t do as well. THINK, What side of the chart do you perform best with? Do you prefer less stress, or more to keep you motivated? Be sure you have strategies to either stay motivated, or to mitigate your stress. FOCUS → Having time in your day for the concentration that directs your energy where it matters most, allowing you to reach peak performance in your day. THINK: How do you block off time in your day to accomplish the work that requires your most intense focus? The Stress vs. Performance Curve Another important concept that goes along with creating flow in our work lives, is understanding the stress vs performance curve. Think about a person with a low stress job (on the left-hand side of the graph). The job is easy for them, they have low stress, not much challenge in their day, and not very exciting, which can lead to apathy without this understanding of how to reach PEAK PERFORMANCE. If the job is too easy, without any threat/challenge/fear the person working in this job environment will be under challenged, and will join the 40% of the population who do not reach FLOW in their work day. Then look at the right side of the graph, where a person’s job is on the higher end of the stress scale. Think of someone’s whose work day is filled with putting out fires, minute after minute, until they reach the end of the day, and are exhausted. There is high stress here, and lots of pressure.  Think about extreme sports, investment bankers, or consultants, or those who are always running behind, without an end to their daily tasks. Instead of feeling apathy, like the person on the left side of the graph, this person feels anxiety that can lead to depression or burnout. We ALL need to find our optimal stress point, so that our work challenges us just the right amount, leading us to that place of optimal workplace happiness where we can be a part of the 40% of the population who experience that FLOW state, or PEAK PERFORMANCE. 🔑 Practical Tips for Why FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS Matter for Flow & Peak Performance The Stress vs. Performance Curve Low Stress (Left Side: Apathy) Tasks are too easy, repetitive, and uninspiring → boredom sets in. Without FUN/FEAR/FOCUS, you won’t reach flow. Tip: Tie your job tasks to your personal “why” and create deadlines to generate challenge. High Stress (Right Side: Anxiety) Overload, constant fire-fighting, and no room to breathe → burnout and exhaustion. Tip: Find ways to manage stress (recovery breaks, clear priorities, mindfulness) so that pressure fuels, not drains, you. Optimal Stress (Middle: Flow/Peak Performance) The sweet spot—where challenge meets skill. With the right mix of FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS, you engage deeply and perform at your best. THINK:  Do you prefer a low stress work environment, or high stress? Whatever you choose, be sure that you understand the best way for you to reach PEAK PERFORMANCE, and prevent apathy/boredom on the left side of the chart, or burnout, anxiety, depression on the right side. I know I’m the happiest working with on the right side of the graph, where stress can be higher, and am always looking for new and healthy ways to better manage daily stress in my life, as well as those close to me. So far, the strategy that has had the most profound impact on my ability to bounce back after higher stress days, would be exercise and daily meditation. VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch Moving to our second clip where Friederike talks about how men and women’s brain’s react differently to stress. She says “Men and women react differently to stress and to different situations. I think this is one of the reasons why there’s so few women in leadership positions. It’s because the stress point that men have combining testosterone and dopamine might be quite different for that of women who combine in her brain dopamine activity with estrogen activity. So people need different work environments to perform at their best. I’m always against coaching people and changing people. I think it’s a waste of time and energy. You should be thinking “What does this specific person need in order to reach peak performance and then you need to create and craft an environment that matches this person rather than trying to mold the person to the job, you should mold the job to the person.” IMAGE CREDIT: Carolin Nischwitz This is what Friederike covered in her second book, The Brain Friendly Workplace That we covered on our 2nd interview[viii] where she asked us to identify our neurosignature, reminding us that women can have a testosterone neurosignature, and it would be this neurosignature that would be best for women in leadership positions. Different Brains, Different Stress Points 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 2 In her work, Friederike points out that men and women often respond differently to stress because of how neurochemicals interact: Men → Testosterone + Dopamine Women → Estrogen + Dopamine This difference can influence how each person reaches peak performance, and it may also help explain why fewer women end up in leadership roles—because many workplaces are designed around stress points that better fit the male brain. 🔑 Practical Tips for Rethinking Leadership & Workplace Design Instead of trying to “fix people” through coaching or molding them to fit a job, Friederike argues we should: Identify each person’s neurosignature (the unique mix of brain chemistry and stress response). Shape the work environment to match the person, not the other way around. This is at the heart of her book, The Brain Friendly Workplace, where she challenges organizations to rethink success—not as conformity, but as creating conditions where every brain type can thrive. REVIEW and CONCLUSION As we wrap up Episode 373 and our review of EP 27 with Friderike Fabritius, we covered: 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 1 with Practical Tips Why FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS Matter for Flow & Peak Performance With The Stress vs. Performance Curve Low Stress (Left Side: Apathy) Tasks are too easy, repetitive, and uninspiring → boredom sets in. Without FUN/FEAR/FOCUS, you won’t reach flow. Tip: Tie your job tasks to your personal “why” and create deadlines to generate challenge. High Stress (Right Side: Anxiety) Overload, constant fire-fighting, and no room to breathe → burnout and exhaustion. Tip: Find ways to manage stress (recovery breaks, clear priorities, mindfulness) so that pressure fuels, not drains, you. Optimal Stress (Middle: Flow/Peak Performance) The sweet spot—where challenge meets skill. With the right mix of FUN, FEAR, and FOCUS, you engage deeply and perform at your best. 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 2 Different Brains, Different Stress Points Men → Testosterone + Dopamine Women → Estrogen + Dopamine These differences can influence how each person reaches peak performance, and it may also help explain why fewer women end up in leadership roles—because many workplaces are designed around stress points that better fit Testosterone Signature Brain, however, woman can also have Testosterone Neurosignature brain and end up in positions of leadership. I do encourage you to watch our second interview[ix], so that you can identify your own neurosignature. 🔑 Practical Tips for Rethinking Leadership & Workplace Design Instead of trying to “fix people” through coaching or molding them to fit a job, Friederike argues we should: Identify each person’s neurosignature (the unique mix of brain chemistry and stress response). Shape the work environment to match the person, not the other way around. Know the best self-care for YOU based on your neurosignature. This is at the heart of her book, The Brain Friendly Workplace, where she challenges organizations to rethink success—not as conformity, but as creating conditions where every brain type can thrive. In chapter 1, she explains that “It’s All About Our Brains” and that “four powerful chemicals shape your personality: the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin, estrogen and testosterone. Together, they form four distinct systems that stimulate specific areas of your brain. These are your dopamine, serotonin, estrogen and testosterone brain systems” (Chapter 1, page 10, The Brain Friendly Workplace). Dopamine: People high in dopamine are curious, energetic and future-oriented. Inventors and entrepreneurs tend to have this neurosignature. They get bored easily and are always looking for the next exciting, new project. Serotonin: People high in serotonin are reliable, detail-oriented, cautious and loyal. They thrive on routine and structure and enjoy consistency and stability. Testosterone: People high in testosterone are tough-minded, direct, and enjoy wielding power. They tend to be analytical and use systems thinking, which involves moving logically from one step to the next to solve a problem. Estrogen: People high in estrogen are empathetic and good at building personal connections and community. Estrogen increases serotonin of the “cuddle hormone” oxytocin, which enhances feelings of bonding and trust. Think of Steve Wozniak, Apple’s co-founder. He exhibits the traits of a high estrogen neurosignature, who is also a lateral thinker (which involves prioritizing intuition and insight, making connections that others might miss). (From Chapter 1 of the Brain Friendly Workplace). If you resonated with one of the qualities of the neurosignature, I added some tips from Friederike’s blog for how to manage your stress, based on each neurosignature. How to destress based on your neurosignature (written by Friederike Fabritius)[x]  𝗛𝗶𝗴𝗵 𝗘𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗲𝗻: Have that one close friend who you can call anytime and who is always there for you. Also, be aware of not overloading yourself too much so you can manage the stress.   𝗛𝗶𝗴𝗵 𝗧𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗲: Make sure you have the freedom to do what you want to do and are holding onto your autonomy to prevent burnout. To relieve stress, do something adventurous and challenging! Hike a high mountain or test a race car.  𝗛𝗶𝗴𝗵 𝗗𝗼𝗽𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗲: Make sure not to get bored! Try a new activity or hobby to engross yourself in. Sign up for that new Tabata class at the gym; explore something creative like bookmaking or wood-sculpting.   𝗛𝗶𝗴𝗵 𝗦𝗲𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗻: Plan it out and create a routine. By setting a plan and sticking to it, say every morning, you will feel less stressed. Also, be social! Try volunteering, joining a choir, or setting up a dinner date with friends.  By understanding your neurosignature, you can refine your life, both in and out of the office, for success. I hope you found this review helpful for pinpointing the best work environment for your brain to reach PEAK performance, and we will see you in 2 weeks for PART 2 of this review. See you October 12th. RESOURCES: Watch Full Interview 1 with Friederike Fabritius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHK3UG8-Or0 Clip 1 Fun, Fear, Focus PART 1 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DZkTBIb-JNk Clip 1B Fun, Fear, Focus, PART 2 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rEnJXHJIgbg Clip 2 Men vs Women https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S4Wxat_I2vU Watch Full Interview 2 with Friederike Fabritius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmv9PmuioFs THE BRAIN FRIENDLY WORKPLACE https://friederikefabritius.com/books/the-brain-friendly-workplace/ REFERENCES: [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/unlocking-your-potential-redefining-goals-with-bob-proctors-wisdom/   [ii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 369 with Dr. Dawson Church  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/bliss-brain-rewire-your-mind-in-minutes-a-day/   [iii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 370 with Dr. John Medina on “How Neuroscience Can Transform Classrooms”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-rules-revisited-how-neuroscience-can-transform-classrooms/   [iv]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 27 with Friederike Fabritius on “The Recipe for Achieving Peak Performance” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/pioneer-in-the-field-of-neuroleadership-friederike-fabritius-on-the-recipe-for-achieving-peak-performance/   [v] https://friederikefabritius.com/   [vi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 258 with Neuroscientist Friederike Fabritius on “The Brain Friendly Workplace” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/neuroscientistwallstreet-journalbestselling-authorfriederike-fabritius-onhernew-bookthe-brainfriendly-workplacewhy-talented-peoplequitand-how-tomake/   [vii] Intro to The Brian Friendly Workplace Published on YouTube September 2022  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9yqt0v9f4   [viii] Watch Full Interview 2 with Friederike Fabritius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmv9PmuioFs   [ix] Watch Full Interview 2 with Friederike Fabritius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmv9PmuioFs   [x] https://friederikefabritius.com/blog/the-best-self-care-for-your-neurosignature-based-in-neuroscience/  

In this episode review (Season 14, Ep. 372), Andrea revisits interviews with Dr. Dan Siegel to explore Mindsight—the focused attention that helps us see and reshape our own minds and connect with others. She breaks down how Mindsight underpins social and emotional intelligence and offers practical ways to develop it, including theory-of-mind practice, the Wheel of Awareness, and daily narrative reading. This week, in our review of EP 28 with Daniel J. Siegel, MD  and his book Mindsight, we learned: ✔ A deeper definition of Mindsight or seeing the mind in another Mindsight, a term coined by Dr. Daniel J. Siegel, is the ability to perceive the mind within ourselves and others. It goes beyond simply observing behavior; it’s about sensing thoughts, feelings, intentions, and perspectives that aren’t immediately visible. This skill allows us to look beneath the surface of words and actions, to “see” the mind behind them, which leads to deeper empathy, better relationships, and stronger social intelligence. ✔ What is Theory of Mind and how can this skill help us to connect and understand others better Theory of Mind (ToM) is closely related to Mindsight—it refers to our ability to attribute mental states (beliefs, desires, knowledge, intentions) to ourselves and to others. In simple terms, it’s recognizing that other people have thoughts and feelings that may be different from our own. This skill is essential for meaningful communication, conflict resolution, and collaboration, because it helps us predict how someone might react, understand why they feel a certain way, and respond with compassion rather than judgment. ✔ What is Theory of Mind and how can this skill help us to connect and understand others better Theory of Mind (ToM) is closely related to Mindsight—it refers to our ability to attribute mental states (beliefs, desires, knowledge, intentions) to ourselves and to others. In simple terms, it’s recognizing that other people have thoughts and feelings that may be different from our own. This skill is essential for meaningful communication, conflict resolution, and collaboration, because it helps us predict how someone might react, understand why they feel a certain way, and respond with compassion rather than judgment. ✔ Practical tips to improve our Mindsight or Theory of Mind abilities Pause and Reflect – Before reacting, ask yourself: What might this person be thinking or feeling right now? Name Emotions – Practice labeling your own emotions and noticing them in others (“I feel frustrated” → “They might be anxious”). Perspective-Taking Exercises – Put yourself in someone else’s shoes: If I were in their position, what would I be experiencing? Read Fiction Regularly – Choose stories with complex characters and notice how your mind tracks their thoughts and motives. Practice Curiosity in Conversations – Instead of assuming, ask open-ended questions to better understand another’s perspective. Mindfulness Training – Strengthen your awareness of your inner world, which improves your ability to tune into the inner world of others. The episode also emphasizes the importance of face-to-face relationships for learning and development, contrasts relational learning with screen-based approaches, and provides actionable tips educators and listeners can use to strengthen empathy, self-awareness, and relational skills. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. Which brings up to today’s episode #372, where we will take Dr. Dan Siegel’s concept of Mindsight, to the next level. On our last EP 371 with Dan Siegel, PART 1 of our review of a very early interview EP 28[i], recorded in November 2019, we covered the importance of: Understanding and Applying Mindsight which is “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.” Mindsight is a concept Dr. Siegel felt to be critical for us to develop noting this skill to be “the basis for social and emotional development.” He notes, that it’s a teachable set of skills that we can teach in school, and once mastered is a truly transformational tool.  In his book, Mindsight he explains this concept further: “Mindsight is a kind of focused attention that allows us to see the internal workings of our own minds. (and we’ve been talking about how important it is to go within, for true change in our lives to occur). It helps us to be aware of our mental processes without being swept away by them, (which) enables us to get ourselves off the autopilot of ingrained behaviors and habitual responses, and moves us beyond the reactive emotional loops we all have a tendency to get trapped in. It lets us “name and tame” the emotions we are experiencing, rather than being overwhelmed by them. Consider the difference between saying “I am sad” and “I feel sad.” Similar as those two statements may seem, there is actually a profound difference between them. “I am sad” is a kind of self-definition, and a very limiting one. “I feel sad” suggests the ability to recognize and acknowledge a feeling, without being consumed by it. The focusing skills that are part of mindsight make it possible to see what is inside, to accept it, and in the accepting to let it go, and, finally, to transform it into a NEW reality. You can also think of mindsight as a very special lens that gives us the capacity to perceive the mind with greater clarity than ever before. This lens is something that virtually everyone can develop, and once we have it we can dive deeply into the mental sea inside, exploring our own inner lives and those of others. A uniquely human ability, mindsight allows us to examine closely, in detail and in depth, the processes by which we think, feel, and behave. And it allows us to reshape and redirect our inner experiences so that we have more freedom of choice in our everyday actions, (giving us) more power to create the future, to become the author of our own story. Another way to put it is that mindsight is the basic skill that underlies everything we mean when we speak of having social and emotional intelligence.” (Dr. Daniel J Siegel, Mindsight, Location 105, Kindle Edition). VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch 💡 Key Takeaways About Mindsight from Daniel J Siegel Definition of Mindsight: Focused attention that helps us perceive the internal workings of our mind. Last week in PART 1[ii] of our review of Dr. Siegel, we looked at Mindsight as “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and then, how we attune to the inner world of someone else.” Benefits: Mindsight helps us to step out of autopilot and habitual emotional reactions. Encourages us to “name and tame” emotions instead of being consumed by them. Example: “I am sad” (self-definition) vs. “I feel sad” (acknowledgement without identity attachment). Creates clarity, self-awareness, and the ability to transform our thoughts, feelings and actions…which is why we can become the author of our own story. When we can do this, we can change our RESULTS and outer world. REMINDER: If we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—whether it’s in our job, relationships, results, or any area of life—we must first look inward. Our circumstances mirror the beliefs and thoughts we hold within. Once we can master Mindsight (our inner world), we can with certainty watch our outer world transform. This is a concept that Bob Proctor would teach in his seminars. He just labelled the terminology differently, but to me, this is where science connects to some of these age-old success principles that I watched transform the lives of thousands of people, when I worked with Proctor in the motivational speaking industry. Mindsight as a Lens: Helps us look inward with depth and precision. Allows reshaping and redirecting inner experiences → more freedom and choice. Empowers us to be the author of our own life story. Serves as the foundation of social and emotional intelligence. It allows us to be the Captain of our own ship, giving us the ability to make changes within, which creates change in our external world. Key Points from Video Clip with Dr. Siegel Without Mindsight tools, we cannot develop true social skills. Relational intelligence: Ability to connect not just with people like us, but also with those unlike us (and with all living beings). Moves us from linear, self-focused thinking (“me, me, me”) to a systems perspective (who I am, that our identity, is a part of a larger whole). Inner aspect → emotional intelligence. Inter aspect → social intelligence (how we are connected to others) Both are part of Mindsight, a set of teachable skills that can be taught in schools. Practical Tip for Developing Mindsight Learn Theory of Mind: Dan Siegel explained in our interview that Mindsight is the same thing as Theory of Mind (ToM). We first explored this concept back in Episode 46,[iii] “Developing and Using Theory of Mind in Your Daily Life.” If we want to strengthen our ability to see the mind of another—whether we call it Mindsight or ToM—I recommend reviewing that episode, where we cover how to use this skill in both the classroom and the workplace. In that discussion, I shared my own first experience of learning how to “read the mind of another” through their eyes, a skill my mother taught me in my twenties. Neuroscientist Dr. John Medina defines this capacity as “the ability to understand the intentions and motivations of someone else.” This ability can even be measured through a Theory of Mind test developed by Professor Simon Baron-Cohen (the cousin of the well-known actor and comedian Sasha Baron Cohen). Theory of Mind is crucial for everyday social interactions. It allows us to analyze, judge, and infer other people’s behaviors. As an important social-cognitive skill, ToM gives us the ability to think about mental states—our own as well as those of others. John Medina gave a powerful example of ToM in action in Episode 42[iv], when he described how Walt Disney, in sharing his vision for Disneyland with Art Linkletter, missed critical social cues. Had Disney recognized and responded differently to Linkletter’s perspective, the outcome of their interaction—and possibly their partnership—might have been very different. If you are curious about your ToM score, you can take the test yourself[v] and then see if you can use these tips to improve your score, and with time and practice, improve your social interactions as you become more in tune with others. I scored 29/36 with this test in 2020, and got this exact same score again yesterday, 5 years later, which tells me that there are some facial expressions that I have not yet mastered, and that learning is an ongoing process. READ NARRATIVE FICTION Dr. Medina shared the research, telling me that you can improve your ToM score by reading narrative fiction, 10-15 minutes a day, by authors who have won awards (so that you are reading well thought out sentences). He suggests to create book clubs and study literature as a group to continue to work on this skill that Dr. Siegel thinks is the basis of social and emotional learning.   VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch 💡 Key Takeaways About Mindsight from Daniel J Siegel We learn in relationship SUMMARY: In the second video clip, I asked Dr. Siegel about the challenges technology poses for young children. He pointed me to the work of Patricia Kuhl and Andrew Meltzoff, who studied an educational video program that was marketed as a way to boost children’s learning. A major corporation later purchased the program, and research revealed that children who spent more time with the videos—at the expense of face-to-face interaction—actually learned less language. The takeaway wasn’t that the video itself was harmful, but that it displaced what truly fuels learning: relationships and human connection. NOTE: I remember in the time frame that this educational video series was popular, I was a nanny, and many parents had asked me to sit with their infant and play this video series). I remember feeling badly that I was being paid to just sit there, and at the time I had a teaching degree, and could have used that time more wisely playing, or interacting with them more, building their experiences with someone new. Again, when we know better with the research, we can do better. Practical Tip: Revisit our first interview with Greg Wolcott, EP 7[vi] on Building Relationships in Today’s Schools. Greg is the author of the book Significant 72: Unleashing the Power of Relationships in Today’s Schools and is on a serious mission to impact our schools with this movement. Greg currently serves as the Assistant Superintendent for Teaching and Learning in a suburb of Chicago as well as an adjunct professor. As an educator in the Chicago area for over 25 years, he is passionate about developing opportunities for all students to succeed as well as finding ways for all teachers and staff members to utilize their strengths to maximize learning. His “Significant 72” initiative has been implemented in over two hundred schools across the United States and Canada.  I first heard of Greg talking about this initiative on an SEL webinar, where he described what was so significant about 72 in our schools. This concept came about when Greg noticed that some students would return to school after 3 day weekends, and not knowing what many of our students face outside of school, they would spend extra time with students to re-build their relationships upon these returns. The results were significant enough for him to write a book about it, and create a program around this concept. Like Dr. Siegel said in VIDEO CLIP 2, “we learn in relationship” not by sitting in front of videos, or technology, but by interacting with each other. Keep building strong relationships with as many face-to-face learning experiences as you can. REVIEW and CONCLUSION As we wrap up Episode 372, PART 2 of our review with Dr. Daniel J. Siegel, we looked at two powerful clips that brought Mindsight to life. 💡 Key Points from Video Clip 1 with Dr. Siegel Without Mindsight tools, we cannot develop true social skills. Relational intelligence is the ability to connect not just with people like us, but with those unlike us—and with all living beings. Mindsight helps us move from linear, self-focused thinking (“me, me, me”) to a systems perspective where identity is part of a larger whole. The “inner aspect” connects to emotional intelligence. The “inter aspect” connects to social intelligence—how we are linked to others. Both inner and inter aspects are part of Mindsight, a set of teachable skills that can even be taught in schools. 🔑 Practical Tips for Developing Mindsight Explore The Wheel of Awareness Meditation to strengthen your ability to see your own mind—and then the mind of others. Learn Theory of Mind: Take the ToM test, track your score, and apply practices to improve your awareness of others’ perspectives. Read Narrative Fiction daily (10–15 minutes, ideally from award-winning authors). Research shows this sharpens our ability to see both our own mind and the minds of others. 💡 Key Takeaways from Clip 2 with Dr. Siegel We learn in relationship with others. 🔑 Practical Tips Revisit EP 7 with Greg Wolcott on building relationships in today’s schools. Remember the early 2000s educational program study that proved learning occurs through interaction and relationships—not through isolated video learning. By practicing Mindsight—the ability to see our own mind and then the minds of others—we tap into what Richard Simon, Ph.D., editor of Psychotherapy Networker, said of Dr. Siegel: “Unmatched by anyone in the field, Mindsight offers a fascinating synthesis…about the new brain science for understanding relationships and the process of human change.” (Mindsight, Location 10, Daniel J. Siegel). Now that we’ve reviewed PART 1 and PART 2 of Dr. Siegel’s interview, focusing on how to understand and apply Mindsight in our daily lives, I realize we’ve only just begun to scratch the surface of his work. We’ll continue to deepen these ideas when we reach Joe Dispenza’s research—but for now, this is a powerful foundation of learning to apply Mindsight to our lives, and become the Captain of Our Own Ship. We’ll see you next week as we continue to sharpen our understanding of our mind, and brain, with neuroleadership pioneer, Freiderike Fabritius. RESOURCES Video Clip 1 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6HhwNtkUW8 Video Clip 2 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jmyzMPYRlnA   REFERENCES [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #28 with Dr. Dan Siegel on “Mindsight: The Basis for Social and Emotional Intelligence”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/clinical-professor-of-psychiatry-at-the-ucla-school-of-medicine-dr-daniel-siegel-on-mindsight-the-basis-for-social-and-emotional-intelligence/   [ii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #371 “Mindsight: Become the Captain of Your Own Mind” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/mindsight-become-the-captain-of-your-own-mind/   [iii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 46 “As Close to Mind Reading as Brain Science Gets: Developing and Using Theory of Mind in your Daily Life”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/as-close-to-mind-reading-as-brain-science-gets-developing-and-using-theory-of-mind-in-your-daily-life/   [iv] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 42 with Dr. John Medina on “Implementing Brain Rules in Schools and Workplaces of the Future” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/dr-john-medina-on-implementing-brain-rules-in-the-schools-and-workplaces-of-the-future/   [v] Theory of Mind Test NOTE: My score was 29/36 (in 2020 and 2025)  http://socialintelligence.labinthewild.org/mite/   [vi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 7 with Greg Wolcott on “Building Relationships in Today’s Classrooms”   https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/greg-wolcott-on-building-relationships-in-todays-classrooms/    

In this episode Andrea revisits her 2019 conversation with Dr. Daniel J. Siegel to explore Mindsight — his science-based approach to understanding the mind, integrating the brain, and cultivating empathy. Dr. Siegel explains the difference between mind and brain, the benefits of the Wheel of Awareness meditation, and how Mindsight can change brain structure and improve health. Watch full interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pnea2Vbzc Practical tips include daily Mindsight practice, naming emotions to build self-awareness, and simple emotional check-ins to make learning and relationships more meaningful. This week, in our review of EP 28 with Daniel J. Siegel, MD  and his book Mindsight, we learned: ✔ The Difference Between the Mind and the Brain. ✔  The Benefits of The Wheel of Awareness Meditation. ✔ How to Understand and Apply Mindsight that gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others. ✔ How Mindsight can change brain structure and improve health. ✔ In order to make teaching and learning more meaningful, what we are teaching must have an element of emotion. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. Episode 371: For today’s Episode 371, we continue our journey into the mind with the next interview review. Just a reminder-this review series began back with Episode 366[i], where in Part 3 we discovered an important lesson: if we don’t like our results—or what we see on the outside—we need to shift our mindset and look within. True change always begins on the inside.   EP 369[ii] we learned how to Rewire our Brain with Dr. Dawson Church and his Bliss Brain Meditations, and then last week, EP 370[iii] with John Medina’s Brain Rules, we reviewed how important this understanding of neuroscience is, especially connected to education, teaching and learning. Which brings us to today’s review, EP 371, where we revisit a very early episode with clinical professor of psychiatry from UCLA’s School of Medicine, Dr. Daniel J Siegel. He’s from EP 28[iv], that was recorded back in November of 2019. As we take this journey deeper into the mind, Dr. Dan Siegel offers the perfect place to begin, with his ability to bridge cutting-edge neuroscience and practical wisdom. Dr. Dan Siegel, is well known for his books, trainings and courses that bridge cutting edge neuroscience with mindfulness and therapy. A reminder of his background-he’s a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and executive director of the Mindsight Institute[v] where you can find his courses, workshops, books and tools to help anyone understand and apply what can sometimes be complicated scientific concepts and make them easy to understand and applicable to our daily lives. At the end of the interview, I let Dr. Siegel know that I had been practicing his Wheel of Awareness Meditation, and ended up reviewing what I learned on EP 60[vi] where we explored the Science Behind a Meditation Practice. You can watch the whole interview by clicking on the link in the resource section in the show notes, and learn all about Dr. Siegel’s work that encompasses schools, with resiliency, brain science and helping our next generation to understand how to apply these important strategies whether it’s in our classrooms, or workplaces of the future. Today we will continue to explore within, sharpen our mindset, and learn about what Dr. Siegel calls Mindsight. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch In Clip 1, Dr. Siegel unpacks the concept of Mindsight and helps clarify the difference between the mind and the brain, when I asked him to explain this distinction. I knew this wasn’t an easy question—as I had already listened to him answer it many times over the years, and still wasn’t sure I fully grasped it. In fact, I even tried to tackle it myself back in Episode 23[vii], Understanding Your Brain and Mind for Increased Results. But revisiting this topic now, I can see this concept requires a much deeper reflection. So, I asked Dr. Siegel if we could look at his definition of the mind—one he has been studying for years and that many in his scientific and educational circles agree on. He describes the mind as “an embodied and relational process—since it’s in the body and it’s in our relationships with one another—that regulates the flow of energy and information.” I wanted to hear him expand on this again, especially around why relationships are so critical for our health, our well-being, and for creating what he calls an integrated brain—which he equates with a healthy brain. His answer helped me to understand the importance of implementing Mindsight into our daily life. He said: “The word mind doesn’t actually have a formal definition—not in education, psychotherapy, or even in fields like psychology that study it directly. But if we look closely, the mind includes your subjective experience—that inner feeling of being alive. It also includes consciousness—the ability to know that you’re having that subjective experience. And beyond that, there’s information processing—which doesn’t always require consciousness and is essentially what school focuses on: learning to process information. When you understand the mind as a self-organizing process—a complex system that regulates its own becoming—you begin to see the power of teaching about the mind itself. This is what we call Mindsight. And if we could bring this understanding into education, the outcomes for students would be profoundly different.” Key Tip 1 with Dr. Dan Siegel Understanding and Applying Mindsight which is “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and then next,  how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.” 💡 If we could bring the concept of Mindsight—focusing attention on the internal world—into education, (or teaching and learning anything) the outcomes for our students would be profoundly different. They would not only learn academic content, (or whatever skill we are teaching) but also how to understand their own subjective experiences and expand their consciousness.   Just as we’ve seen that true change begins by going within, Dr. Siegel shows us that teaching and learning follow the same principle. Mindsight (going within to understand ourselves first, and then extending this understanding to others cultivating empathy) invites us to go deeper with ourselves through self-study, and Dr. Siegel reminds us that clarity emerges when we are willing to take that deeper dive. He describes Mindsight[viii] as “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.” Importantly, Dr. Siegel explains that Mindsight is more than simply observing—it equips us with the tools to monitor our inner world with clarity and depth, and also to modify it with strength and intention. While mindfulness centers on awareness, Mindsight adds an empowering, action-oriented dimension: the ability to change the structure and function of the brain itself. With Mindsight, we can literally alter the course of our lives by integrating areas of the brain that were previously disconnected. When we monitor our inner world, we can shift it from chaos toward harmony—moving our mind toward health. That’s the true power of Mindsight. It’s a way of awakening the mind to the fact that you aren’t a PASSIVE participant of life, but you can become the ACTIVE participant, the Captain of your own ship, he says. This way, you become the author of your own story, of your life. Which brings us back to EP 366, where we looked at the question “What do you REALLY want to do with your life.” Do you REALLY believe what you want is possible? Dan Siegel, with his research grounded in science, would say it most definitely is possible with the use of Mindsight. I highly recommend Dr. Siegel’s book, Mindsight, that walks us step by step through how to implement this concept into our daily life. In the front of the book you can see some well-known author reviews, starting with: “Mindsight is a seminal piece on bringing neuroscience to everyday life, helping us to understand what can go awry in the mind so that, armed with that knowledge, we will be better able to change. The book is a wonderful journey from the mind through the brain and the body and then back again. Dr. Daniel Siegel’s use of elaborate personal as well as patient stories makes us feel as though we are on a guided tour with a friendly group of fellow travelers.” —John J. Ratey, M.D., author of Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain, and co-author of Driven to Distraction “Mindsight is a remarkable exploration into the synergistic workings of the mind and the brain. Using clinical vignettes as well as revelations about his own life, Dr. Siegel shows us how we can go from reactive impulsiveness to receptive awareness so that we can make valid choices, not blindly repeat maladaptive behaviors. It will be enormously useful for patients and their families, as well as mental health workers and the lay public at large.” —Clarice Kestenbaum, M.D., professor of clinical psychiatry, Columbia University “This exciting book reveals the secrets of the mind that we have sought in Eastern and Western thought for two thousand years. How do we see the mind and learn to tame it for a happier and healthier life? Filled with engaging stories, Mindsight uses cutting-edge science and deep humanity to address the questions that we all have about the mystery in our skull.” —Natalie Goldberg, author Old Friend from Far Away and Writing Down the Bones “In The Developing Mind, Daniel Siegel brilliantly revealed how relationships sculpt and are sculpted by the brain. Mindsight is the perfect follow-up, a daring plan of action for a wiser and kinder life that’s transformative yet easy to understand, and should appeal to specialists and laymen alike—in fact, to anyone who wants to enrich their life, their children’s lives, and society.” —Diane Ackerman, author of The Zookeeper’s Wife and A Natural History of the Senses Tip #1 – Practical Application: 👉 Begin by setting aside a few quiet minutes each day to practice this important skill that Dr. Siegel calls Mindsight. Are you aware of your own thoughts and feelings? Can you name the emotions that you feel? This will help you to understand your own inner world.  Next, can you extend this concept to others? Are you aware of the thoughts and feelings of those around you? Can you tell how someone else is feeling? Can you apply what you see with this practice that will increase insight into ourselves while also increasing our empathy for others? This is a good start for implementing Mindsight into our daily life. Dr. Siegel believes this will cause integration in the brain, and actually change its structure and function, leading us towards improved health and well-being. DEEPER PRACTICE If you want to take your Mindsight skills to the next level, I highly recommend Dr. Dan Siegel’s Wheel of Awareness Meditation. You can listen to my review of this meditation on EP 60[ix] that I can tell you took some practice before I was able to explain what I felt during this meditation. Dr. Siegel narrates us through each part of our body (improving our self-awareness) but in segment 4, he asks us to think about others, and extend our thoughts to them, which is the second part of Mindsight. This I think, was the most important part of the meditation, as I began to focus well-being and intention on not only myself, but those close to me, and then those in different parts of the world. This meditation has remained as one of my favorite practices. I had no idea that this practice was actually causing integration in my brain, and setting me up for improved health and well-being. In his book, Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence, Dr. Siegel explains that there are research-based elements of mind training that should include 3 pillars: focused attention, open awareness and kind intentions towards others.[x] His Wheel of Awareness practice involves all 3 of these pillars and profound changes happen with the body when you do mind training. He also explains that a 3-pillar meditation practice (like his Wheel) changes the structure and function of the brain in these fascinating ways: There’s an integration of structure and function of the brain (integration means well-being). There’s a reduction of the stress hormone cortisol. There’s an enhancement of immune function. Improvement in cardiovascular risk factors. Reduction in inflammation via epigenetic changes. An optimization of telomerase—which is fascinating as it repairs and maintains the ends of chromosomes and slows aging. Who wouldn’t want these benefits? The science is clear and proves that implementing a daily meditation practice improves your physical and mental health with many more benefits we will explore further. VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch   In Clip 2, I asked Dr. Siegel about emotional intelligence, and he reminded me that “there isn’t an accepted definition of the word emotion.” In his book The Developing Mind (2nd Edition), he defines emotions as “a shift in integration.” While this may sound complex, he explains that this definition actually ties all the sciences of emotion together. One key insight he shared is that emotions involve both the feeling of emotion and the construction of meaning. And if we want learning in schools to become more meaningful, then emotion must be at the center—because emotion and meaning are inseparable, both in the brain and in our relationships. Key Point 2 with Dr. Dan Siegel 💡 Emotions are not separate from meaning—they are woven from the same cloth. To make teaching and learning more meaningful, what we are teaching must have an element of emotion. Reflection: I think this is such an important reminder—being in touch with our emotions matters whenever we want to make something meaningful and memorable. Whether it’s a classroom lesson, a presentation, or simply something we hope will stay with someone, emotion is the key to making it stick. Tip #2 – Practical Application: 👉 Begin class (or your workday) with an emotional check-in. Take one minute to name how you’re feeling, (even if you do this in your head yourself) and invite students (or colleagues) to do the same. This simple practice strengthens emotional awareness and ties the learning experience to meaning, making it more impactful. Also, see if you can become an expert at feeling the emotions of others. Can you feel the shift in a room when emotions are stirred within the audience you are presenting to, or in a classroom? When you say something that hope to spark an emotional connection, watch for your audience to move in some way. Do they sit up straighter, or shift in their chairs? Do they move in any way? This is an important skill to notice and foster, and can become valuable when used at the right moment to make something stick. Finally, do you model emotion regulation? We covered this on our last episode 370[xi] with Dr. Medina, who shared that “Children build resilience not in calm moments, but in how parents (or caregivers, or even teachers) respond when emotions run high. These moments define our parenting (and teaching) style and shape a child’s long-term emotional health.”   Once we understand how emotional brain works[xii] (how to calm our brain in seconds with this understanding) we can learn to better manage our own emotions, and stay self-regulated.   REVIEW and CONCLUSION As we wrap up Episode 371, we reviewed 2 clips from our interview with Dr. Daniel Siegel and learned: Key Tip 1 with Dr. Dan Siegel Understanding and Applying Mindsight which is “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.” Once we understand our own internal world, Mindsight encourages us to turn our attention to the inner world of others—this is how we cultivate true empathy. When we monitor our inner world, we can shift it from chaos toward harmony—moving our mind toward health. That’s the true power of Mindsight. Mindsight also causes integration in the brain, and actually change its structure and function, leading us towards improved health and well-being. It’s a way of awakening the mind to the fact that you aren’t a PASSIVE participant of life, but you can become the ACTIVE participant, the Captain of your own ship. This way, you become the author of your own story, of your life. Tip #1 – Practical Application: 👉 A way to begin this practice is to set aside a few quiet minutes each day to practice Mindsight. Are you aware of your own thoughts and feelings? Can you name the emotions that you feel? Next, extend this concept to others. Are you aware of the thoughts and feelings of those around you? With practice, you will strengthen your ability to feel empathy for others. This practice can be further strengthened by implementing Dr. Siegel’s Wheel of Awareness Meditation. The goal: Once you understand your own inner world, it’s much easier to understand someone else’s. This is when we can show true empathy for one another. Once you have mastered this, you can go beyond Mindfulness, because Mindsight is not only about being in the present moment, but being able to modify what is happening in your present moment with this understanding. Understanding and applying Dr. Siegel’s Mindsight brings us back to EP 366[xiii] we we started this review. If we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—whether it’s in our job, relationships, results, or any area of life—we must first look inward. Our circumstances mirror the beliefs and thoughts we hold within. As James Allen reminds us in As a Man Thinketh: our outer world is always a reflection of our inner state.   Key Point 2 – Dr. Dan Siegel 💡 Emotions and meaning are inseparable—they are woven from the same cloth. To make learning memorable and impactful, teaching must engage the emotions of those we are teaching, alongside the content. Which means students must have an understanding of what their emotions are. Practical Tip 2: 👉 Encourage our students to name what they feel. Labeling emotions—like “I’m frustrated” or “I’m excited”—or “I’m feeling good here” and “not so good here” helps them to manage and understand those feelings, making learning more focused and meaningful. We will review this interview at a later date, but Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence Founder Marc Bracket and his book, Permission to Feel[xiv] can help us to further explore this area on understanding the emotions we feel. 👉If we ALL understand how our emotional brain works and how to calm it, with time and practice, this becomes a habit. The goal: Once we understand our emotions, and how to improve our self-regulation, we can avoid upsets that happen when our emotions run hot. We next learn to co-regulate those around us, an important brain tip we learned from Dr. John Medina. I hope that you found these 2 video clip reminders from Dr. Dan Siegel’s interview as helpful as I have. It always blows my mind when I revisit something old, and find immense value with something I might have missed, or not understood fully at the time. Implementing this skill Mindsight takes practice, and it’s something I’m still working on myself. I’ll see you next week with PART 2 of our review with Dr. Dan Siegel.   RESOURCES: Watch full interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pnea2Vbzc Clip 1: Mindsight https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tu9FOHiYUAU Clip 2: Emotional Intelligence https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EiWh_FPkoxo Video version of this episode https://youtu.be/HMvbAVajZUs                                                                                                                                        REFERENCES:    [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/unlocking-your-potential-redefining-goals-with-bob-proctors-wisdom/   [ii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 369 with Dr. Dawson Church  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/bliss-brain-rewire-your-mind-in-minutes-a-day/   [iii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 370 with Dr. John Medina on “How Neuroscience Can Transform Classrooms”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-rules-revisited-how-neuroscience-can-transform-classrooms/   [iv] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #28 with Dr. Dan Siegel on “Mindsight: The Basis for Social and Emotional Intelligence”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/clinical-professor-of-psychiatry-at-the-ucla-school-of-medicine-dr-daniel-siegel-on-mindsight-the-basis-for-social-and-emotional-intelligence/   [v] https://mindsightinstitute.com/   [vi] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 60 “The Science Behind a Meditation Practice”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-science-behind-a-meditation-practice-with-a-deep-dive-into-dr-dan-siegel-s-wheel-of-awareness/   [vii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 23 “Understanding Your Brain and Mind for Increased Results” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/understanding-your-brain-and-mind-for-increased-results/   [viii] Dan Siegel on Mindsight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKwQuGCPeFk   [ix] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 60 “The Science Behind a Meditation Practice”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-science-behind-a-meditation-practice-with-a-deep-dive-into-dr-dan-siegel-s-wheel-of-awareness/   [x] Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence by Daniel J Siegel, MD Published August 21, 2018 Tarcher Perigee  https://www.amazon.com/Aware-Practice-Presence-Groundbreaking-Meditation/dp/1101993049   [xi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 370 with our Review of Dr. John Medina’s EP 42. https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-rules-revisited-how-neuroscience-can-transform-classrooms/   [xii] Self-Regulation Dan Siegel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDLzppD4Jc   [xiii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/raising-your-vibration-bob-proctor-s-guide-to-goal-creation/   [xiv]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 22 with Marc Brakett https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/founding-director-of-the-yale-center-of-emotional-intelligence-on-his-new-book-permission-to-feel/  

Episode 370 reviews Dr. John Medina's insights from Brain Rules and explores how neuroscience and social-emotional learning combine to improve teaching, learning, and well-being. Key takeaways: teachers need basic neuroscience to support learning; the emotional stability of the home strongly shapes a child’s resilience and confidence; and children build resilience when adults co-regulate and model healthy emotion management during high-emotion moments. This short review highlights practical steps for educators, parents, and leaders to apply brain-based strategies and SEL to boost student outcomes and lifelong skills. EP 370 covers a review of Dr. John Medina's Brain Rules, from EP 42 (February 2020)  We learned: ✔ If education is about the brain, then teachers need to understand how the brain learns best. ✔ A child’s resilience and confidence are deeply tied to the emotional climate of the home. ✔  Children build resilience not in calm moments, but in how parents (or caregivers) respond when emotions run high. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. Episode 370: Brain Rules and the Future of Learning For today’s Episode 370[i], we continue our journey into the mind with our next interview review—Dr. John Medina, author of the well-known book Brain Rules. We first featured Dr. Medina in EP 42, when we explored “Implementing Brain Rules in Schools and Workplaces of the Future.” To remind you where we began with our interview review series: We opened with EP 366[ii], diving into speaker Bob Proctor’s timeless principles. Bob was the very first person—over 25 years ago—who challenged me with the question, “What do you really want to do with your life?” At the time, I didn’t have a clear answer. It’s taken well over 25 years now for this clarity to evolve. Eventually, I realized what mattered most to me: and that was bringing social and emotional learning (SEL) skills into schools. I had already seen how these skills—once called “soft skills”—transformed the lives of 12 teenagers I worked with in the motivational speaking industry in the late 1990s. Later, I watched as SEL spread into schools across states and countries, until the research became undeniable. A 2011 meta-analysis of 213 studies confirmed what I had seen firsthand a decade before this study was released: students who participated in SEL programs showed an 11-percentile-point increase in academic performance[iii] compared to control groups. That’s a significant improvement, demonstrating just how powerful SEL can be. Long before this research, I simply knew these skills could shape the future of the next generation. This podcast itself was built around the six core SEL competencies—each explored in its own dedicated episode that you can find in our resource section in the show notes. Then came the next step: adding the lens of neuroscience. I realized that everything we were studying in SEL connected back to how the brain works. My deep dive into what I called “Neuroscience 101” began when an educator handed me a stack of books that opened my eyes to the importance of brain science in education. From those early hand-drawn sketches grew the framework that still guides this podcast today—bridging SEL and neuroscience to make learning both practical and powerful.   Which brings us to today’s review: Episode 370, where we revisit Dr. John Medina. At the heart of this conversation is the very question that launched my journey years ago: What happens when we connect social and emotional learning with neuroscience? How can understanding the brain not only improve results and productivity, but also better equip our next generation of students in the classroom? It was John Medina’s Brain Rules that first landed on my bookshelf back in 2009. And to be honest—it just sat there for a while. I wasn’t ready yet. As Dr. Medina himself has said, this kind of learning can’t be forced. You need a strong why to really dive into the mind–brain connection. For me, that why came later, when I realized how deeply understanding the brain could impact learning, teaching, and even life itself. If you’re following along with this podcast, I imagine you’ve had a similar moment—when the connection between the brain and practical neuroscience suddenly made sense and became something worth pursuing. I’m always curious about what that moment looks like for others—what it is that makes this topic click. For me, it became clear during my very first presentation on this subject in November 2017, at a conference for the York Region School District in Toronto. The topic I was in charge of presenting was Stress, Learning, and the Brain, and the room was so full it was standing room only. This was after just three years of studying the topic myself, and when I first opened up David Souza’s How the Brain Learns Series, I honestly thought this topic was over my head, and too difficult for me to understand, let alone having me teach it to others. But once there is a strong why, the way will be shown. And that day, when I saw how many people showed up to learn the topic, I knew this was the field I wanted to dedicate the rest of my life to—continuing to learn, and helping others understand and apply to their lives. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Now that you know where this mind-brain connection began for me, I hope you can gain clarity with why it’s so important to you. Important enough that you are tuning into this podcast to learn more. Wouldn’t you know it—understanding this WHY with the brain-mind connection to thrive at home, work and school and with sport is exactly what Dr. John Medina said to me during our interview back in February 2020. If you click the link in the show notes, you can watch VIDEO 1, where he explains: “I believe that the cognitive neurosciences should be at the table of education training. Before you get a Bachelor Degree in Education, you have to have a fair degree of neuroscience. And it’s a very specific slice—it’s the kind of neuroscience that says: this is what we know about how the brain learns. Because teachers are in charge of that. It blows me away sometimes—I look at the Colleges of Education: if you’re in the Geology Department, you study rocks. If you go to Medical School, you study humans. You could argue that the world of education is all about studying the brain. Where are the courses that say—‘This is how memory works. This is how we get someone to pay attention. This is what visual processing looks like.’” Dr. Medina is 100% right. When I went through teacher training at The University of Toronto, courses like this weren’t offered. Fast forward to today, and my daily work now focuses on supporting educators with the Science of Reading—a body of research that, much like SEL, took decades to gain traction but is finally reshaping classrooms and teacher training, impacting how we teach our next generation of students to read. Of course, this knowledge can’t just be forced on us. It’s not easy material—it requires effort to learn. But if you’re listening to this podcast each week, it’s because you’re curious. You’re willing to dig into concepts that, until recently, were reserved for medical students. That’s how Dr. Douglas Fisher gained his insights into how the brain learns best. As he told me in EP 161[iv], How Learning Works: Translating the Science of Learning into Strategies for Maximum Learning in Your Classroom, he actually sat in classes with medical students to develop a deeper understanding of brain-based learning—knowledge we were never given in traditional teacher training. Key Point from Video Clip 1 from John Medina 💡 If education is about the brain, then teachers need to understand how the brain learns best. Tip #1 – Practical Application: Look for opportunities—whether through professional learning, books, or resources like this podcast—to bridge the gap between neuroscience and classroom practice. Even small shifts, like applying what we know about memory or attention, can transform how students learn. Don’t let the complexity of the human brain intimidate you, like it did me when I first saw Dr. David Souza’s books. Once you can make this mind-brain-learning connection, you’ll see that it was all worth the effort to learn and understand. VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch Moving on to our second interview clip (linked in the show notes), I asked Dr. Medina a powerful question: “How can we raise our children to be confident and resilient?” His response was both profound and eye-opening: He said: “I believe that the single greatest predictor of a child’s psychopathology or psychiatric condition is the emotional stability of the home in which they are raised. It automatically becomes an education issue, even if you don’t want it to be. Because I realize that the interpersonal dynamics inside some of these homes is usually nobody’s business—except when the kid gets nicked. And then it might be important to understand, and perhaps teach adults, how to be adults in front of their children. We know a fair amount about what it takes to create stable, emotional homes. Let’s say there’s a partner involved. The great work of John Gottman is so strong, he can actually predict divorce rates.” Key Point from Video Clip 2 from John Medina: 💡A child’s resilience and confidence are deeply tied to the emotional climate of the home. Stability in relationships, especially between parents or caregivers, creates the foundation for healthy development. Practical Application: For parents and caregivers: Focus on modeling emotional regulation and respectful communication at home. Children learn resilience not from being shielded from challenges, but by watching adults navigate them with stability. For educators: Understand that a student’s academic and social behavior often reflects what’s happening at home. Approaching challenges with empathy—and building strong, safe classroom relationships—can help buffer instability. For leaders and mentors: Whether in schools, workplaces, or communities, promoting emotional intelligence and modeling healthy relationships can positively influence not only children, but the adults raising them. VIDEO 3 Click Here to Watch To go deeper into my question about raising emotionally resilient children, Dr. Medina pointed to the work of Diana Baumrind, whose research he described as “probably the most important work about how to raise a child that exists.” She showed that creating an emotionally stable environment can directly influence anxiety and depression rates in children. Dr. Medina added that John Gottman—known for his research on marriage—also studied parenting. Both Baumrind and Gottman came to the same conclusion: “All parenting rises and falls on the same battlefield, and that’s what you do when your child’s emotions run hot. What you do here puts you in a behavioral category—some kind of parenting style.” Key Point from Video Clip 3 from John Medina: 💡 Children build resilience not in calm moments, but in how parents (or caregivers) respond when emotions run high. These moments define parenting style and shape a child’s long-term emotional health. Practical Application: When your child is upset, instead of reacting with anger or dismissal, focus on co-regulation—help them name and navigate their feelings. Practice emotion coaching (a Gottman strategy): acknowledge the emotion, set boundaries if needed, and guide the child toward healthy expression. Remember: resilience grows when children see that emotions—even big ones—can be understood, managed, and resolved with stability.   These strategies tie back into our 6 social and emotional learning solo episodes that I’ve linked in the show notes, as well as with Greg Wolcott from EP 7[v] on “Building Relationships in Today’s Classrooms” or Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence’s Founder Marc Brackett’s work from EP 19[vi] on his book Permission to Feel. As we continue with this review, I’m hoping that we strengthen the WHY behind our own work whether we are teachers in the classroom, coaches, or regular people like me who want take this mind-brain connection to improve our results to greater heights. REVIEW and CONCLUSION As we wrap up Episode 370, it’s clear that Dr. John Medina’s call to bring neuroscience to the table of education is more important now than ever. We began this journey with Bob Proctor’s timeless question, “What do you really want?”—and for me, that answer was always rooted in seeing social and emotional learning become a foundation in our schools. Over the years, research confirmed what I witnessed firsthand: SEL transforms lives. But when we add the powerful lens of neuroscience, we gain the practical tools to understand how the brain learns best—knowledge that can improve results, productivity, and most importantly, support our next generation of students. In today’s EP we reviewed 3 VIDEO CLIPS Key Point 1: 💡 If education is about the brain, then teachers need to understand how the brain learns best. Tip #1 – Practical Application: Look for opportunities—whether through professional learning, books, or resources like this podcast—to bridge the gap between neuroscience and classroom practice. Even small shifts, like applying what we know about memory or attention, can transform how students learn. Key Point 2: A child’s resilience and confidence are deeply tied to the emotional climate of the home. Stability in relationships, especially between parents or caregivers, creates the foundation for healthy development. Practical Application: For parents and caregivers: Focus on modeling emotional regulation and respectful communication at home. Children learn resilience not from being shielded from challenges, but by watching adults navigate them with stability. Key Point 3: Children build resilience not in calm moments, but in how parents (or caregivers, or even teachers) respond when emotions run high. These moments define our parenting (and teaching) style and shape a child’s long-term emotional health. Practical Application: When your child is upset, instead of reacting with anger or dismissal, focus on co-regulation—help them name and navigate their feelings. This is especially important whether we are a parent, or working with students in the classroom. Dr. Medina’s Brain Rules was a pivotal book for me—it helped me understand how the brain learns best, while also reinforcing the importance of self-regulation. And as we explored last week with Dr. Dawson Church and his Bliss Brain meditations, self-regulation becomes much more accessible when we actively train our brain through practices like meditation. Each of these interviews connects and builds on the other, guiding us step by step on this Journey of the Mind. We’ll continue exploring this powerful intersection of social and emotional learning and neuroscience, bringing forward leading experts so that together we can learn and apply insights that were once reserved only for medical students. This is how we equip ourselves—and the next generation—to thrive not only in learning, but also in life. With that thought, thank you for joining me for Episode 370. I’ll see you next week as we move on to our next expert interview review. Have a wonderful week ahead.   RESOURCES:   Watch FULL Interview with John Medina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzg5nQnEMs   YouTube Short 1 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dZg4PEAVcdE   YouTube Short 2 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YHdLlHtjBfo   YouTube Short 3 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vdiOCZWWvuc   Solo Episodes on the 6 SEL Competencies   Self-Awareness: Know Thyself https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/self-awareness-know-thyself/   Social-Awareness: How to Change Your Social Brain https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/social-awareness-looking-beyond-yourself-to-connect-with-others/   Developing Effective Relationships https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/how-to-build-and-sustain-effective-relationships/   Responsible Decision-Making https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/responsible-decision-making-begins-with-brain-health/   Self-Regulation: The Foundational Learning Skill for Future Success https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/self-regulation-the-foundational-learning-skill-for-future-success/   Coaching a Growth Mindset https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/coaching-a-growth-mindset-strategies-for-overcoming-obstacles-and-cognitive-biases/   REFERENCES:   [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 42 with Dr. John Medina on “Implementing Brain Rules in Schools and Workplaces of the Future” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/dr-john-medina-on-implementing-brain-rules-in-the-schools-and-workplaces-of-the-future/   [ii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/unlocking-your-potential-redefining-goals-with-bob-proctors-wisdom/   [iii] www.casel.org   [iv] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE161 “How Learning Works: Translating the Science of Learning into Strategies for Maximum Learning in Your Classroom”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/johnalmarodedouglas-fisherand-nancyfreyon-how-learning-works-translatingthescience-oflearningintostrategiesformaximum-learning-inyourclassroom/   [v] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 7 with Greg Wolcott on “Building Relationships in Today’s Classrooms” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/greg-wolcott-on-building-relationships-in-todays-classrooms/   [vi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 19 with Marc Brackett on “Permission to Feel” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/founding-director-of-the-yale-center-of-emotional-intelligence-on-his-new-book-permission-to-feel/  

In this episode Andrea Samadi revisits a popular interview with Dr. Dawson Church about his book Bliss Brain and the neuroscience of meditation. They explore how simple, evidence-based practices can quiet the brain's default mode, trigger blissful neurochemicals, and reshape stress and happiness networks. Listeners learn why happiness must be trained, how meditation helps people live more in the present, and practical tips to start a daily meditation practice using guided tools like the free Bliss Brain meditations. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. For today’s Episode 369, we are moving forward on our journey of the mind, to our next interview review, with our goal of building off of our past reviews, and sharpening our saw for improved well-being, productivity and success in 2025 and beyond. To review our last 3 episodes, with our interview with speaker Bob Proctor, we learned that “If we want to improve our RESULTS, we must focus on the six faculties of our mind—reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, and imagination.” “Devoting a year to developing each one would be time well invested, elevating us to greater heights and setting us apart from others.” Next, we looked at how we need to become extremely clear with our vision of “what we really want” and keep in mind that…. Our External Environment Reflects Our Internal World What exactly does this mean? It means that if we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—whether it’s in our job, relationships, results, or any area of our life—we must first look inward. Our circumstances mirror the beliefs and thoughts we hold within. As James Allen reminds us in As a Man Thinketh: our outer world is always a reflection of our inner state. For today’s Episode 369, we’ll turn inward—sharpening our inner world so that we can transform the outer one. Today we go back EP 98[i] our interview with Dr. Dawson Church, that was recorded back in December of 2020, where we looked at the science behind implementing meditation into your daily routine. This interview is currently our most watched YouTube interview with over 11K views. This week, in our review of EP 98 with Dr. Dawson Church and his book Bliss Brain, we will explore how meditation can rewire the brain for happiness and presence. We will learn: ✔ Since happiness didn’t evolve naturally, we must train our brain to achieve it. ✔ Our brains default to the past or future, constantly scanning for threats, instead of resting in the present moment. ✔ Extreme states of happiness are possible for all of us when we implement meditation consistently. ✔ How to commit to a daily meditation practice using the free meditations that come with Bliss Brain, or explore other guided programs until you find one that resonates with you Just a reminder-Dr. Church is the author of the book called Bliss Brain: The Neuroscience of Remodeling Your Brain for Resilience, Creativity and Joy.[ii] He’s an award-winning science writer who blends cutting-edge neuroscience with the stories of people who’ve had firsthand experience of brain change. Neural plasticity—the discovery that the brain is capable of rewiring itself—is now widely understood. But what few people have grasped yet is how quickly this is happening, how extensive brain changes can be, and how much control each of us exerts over the process of our thinking. It’s been almost 5 years since this interview, and it feels like yesterday to me. I remember at the time, one of my dogs was barking in the yard when the landscapers came, and I was worried it would distract our interview. It didn’t. I don’t even think Dr. Church could hear them. There were also two other things that stuck out in my head from this interview (other than the fact I was wearing glasses trying to prepare for Lasik surgery and couldn’t really see the questions) but I’ll also never forget that American entrepreneur and biohacker Dave Asprey, who’s well known for his interest in helping others achieve these elevated brain states, wrote the Foreword to his book. I also won’t ever forget Chapter 1, of Bliss Brain, where Dr. Church shares how he and his wife lost their home and pets in the 2017 Santa Rose Fire, yet they chose to focus on gratitude and rebuilding their lives with joy. This story highlights his teaching that even trained minds struggle under pressure, but with meditation and practice, we can shift into a bliss or flow state. Church’s EcoMeditation method, (that he covers in his book) supported by science and praised by Dave Asprey in the Foreword, helps quiet the brain’s Default Mode Network[iii] and quickly releases calming, pleasurable chemicals—in as little as four minutes. Dr. Church has a strong following, and there are many powerful testimonials at the start of his book. One we spoke about in our interview was from Toni Tombleson who wrote: After a week of putting out a handful of mini-fires that often accompany the start of a new school year in my world, I can see why these lessons to handling both major life crises and everyday challenges, by learning to cultivate a “Bliss Brain” should remain a top priority for resilience, productivity, and well-being, for all of us. VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Which brings me to Video Clip 1 of our review. Watch video clip 1 with the link in the show notes. Historical Context: Dr. Church begins by reflecting on The Buddha, who over 2,000 years ago sought to relieve human suffering. He also reviews other spiritual teachers, including Plato, who grappled with the same question. Biological Explanation: Dr. Church emphasizes that suffering is a biological problem, a feature of how the human brain evolved. How our lives have become easier than they were 2,000 years ago. He explained to me how people are 3x as wealthy now, than they were 40 years ago. In terms of longevity, our lifespans have doubled in the last century. There are many markers like this that show us that we live in a much more secure and safe world than we used to. Key Point: While we live in a safer environment today, than 2,000 years ago, our brains were not designed for where we are today. We are not suffering he reminded me because we are bad people, we lack will, or haven’t read enough personal growth books… “We simply didn’t evolve to be happy because there was no survival benefit in being happy.”  Tip #1: Since happiness didn’t evolve naturally, it’s something we must train our brain to achieve. Practical Application: This is the basis of his book Bliss Brain, where he explains how meditation helps us train the brain to reach a bliss or flow state. It’s in his book that we learn how to achieve this state that will change not only our brain, (our internal state) but our outer results in our everyday lives. In Chapter 2, he shows us why most people find it so hard to meditate. The difficulty has nothing to do with willpower or intention. It’s simply due to the design of the human brain. When you understand this clearly, you’ll be equipped to work around it. Chapter 3 describes the ecstatic states that you can achieve in meditation. He examines the regions of the brain that you activate, and what each one does. He also lists the extensive health and cognitive benefits that you get from activating each of those regions. In Chapter 4 you’ll hear the story of his own personal failed meditation experiences. He learned many different styles of meditation, but could never establish a consistent practice. His breakthrough came from science. When he combined seven simple evidence-based practices together, found a formula that puts people into deep states automatically and involuntarily. No effort required. When he and his colleagues hook people up to EEGs and MRIs, they find that using these seven steps, even non-meditators get into profound states in less than 4 minutes. Sometimes in less than 50 seconds. Historically, the secrets of these states have been available to only about 1% of the population. Thanks to science, they’re now available to everyone. Chapter 5 he goes into the seven neurochemicals of ecstasy. We learn how each one is like a drug that makes you feel good. But combine all seven together, and you have a potent formula that takes your brain into bliss. Meditation is the only way you get all seven at one time. The star of the show is a neurotransmitter called anandamide, aka “the bliss molecule.” When you trigger these ecstatic states daily, they change your brain. Chapter 6 is about the extensive brain remodeling that occurs in seasoned meditators. Stress circuits shrink, while happiness networks grow. But you don’t need to be an adept to trigger this rewiring. It begins the very first week you meditate effectively. Chapter 7 is about post-traumatic growth, and how the brains of meditators make them resilient to the inevitable upsets of life. Medical crises and financial disasters included. It provides practical examples of how meditation can make you resilient even during global upheavals like the coronavirus panic that was happening at the time of this interview. Whatever challenges confront us, we will be well equipped to handle large and small life challenges. If we truly want to find happiness, then we will need to rewire our brain to accomplish these states. VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch Watch video clip 2 with the link in the show notes. Question asked: “How can we learn to be more in the present moment, instead of somewhere else?” Dr. Church’s explanation: The brain is hardwired to identify threats for survival. Today, most of us don’t face immediate threats, but the brain’s Default Mode Network (DMN) keeps scanning for danger. Without real threats, it replays past negative experiences (even from years ago or childhood) and projects fear into the future (“what if it happens again?”). This keeps us stuck in the past and future, not the present moment. Monks & meditation: Monks, after years of deep meditation, trained their brains differently. Brain scans showed structural changes—the brain literally began to shrink in areas related to stress and overthinking. Key Point: Our brains are not naturally wired to live in the present moment—they default to the past or future, scanning for threats. Tip #2: Get serious about meditation. Example: Australian astrophysicist & TV journalist Graham Phillips remodeled his brain in just 8 weeks of meditation practice. VIDEO 3 Click Here to Watch Watch video clip 3 with the link in the show notes. In this clip, Dr. Church explains how “meditation changes everything” and why “20 years ago, he decided to make this commitment to daily meditation” sharing how his whole world changed after this. These are noticeable changes that were behind his motivation to write this book, Bliss Brain, to show the world how they too can reach these states of extreme happiness. He told us to go back and study historical figures who were clearly in altered states of being, like the Italian Catholic Preacher, Saint Francis of Assisi, who appears in a blissed-out state as we see in a drawing, where it looks like he is communicating with God or something divine. This beautiful blissful state, that goes beyond happiness, is available to all of us. We will cover more about the changes our brains undergo with meditation as we go back to review our interview #28 with clinical professor of psychiatry from the UCLA school of medicine, Dr. Dan Siegel[iv], on a later episode, but for now, we can conclude that we can in fact change our outside world, in a significant and powerful way, by dedicating ourselves to a daily meditation practice. Key Point: We can ALL reach this state of extreme happiness by implementing a daily meditation practice. Tip 3: We can get started with our own meditation practice (if we are not currently implementing one) by using the FREE mediations that come along with the Bliss Brain Book Or use whatever meditation program resonates with you. REVIEW AND CONCLUSION Episode 369 Wrap-Up: Bliss Brain Review with Dr. Dawson Church This week, in our review of EP 98 with Dr. Dawson Church and his book Bliss Brain, we explored how meditation can rewire the brain for happiness and presence. Key Point from Clip 1: Although we live in a safer world than 2,000 years ago, our brains weren’t designed for today’s environment. “We simply didn’t evolve to be happy because there was no survival benefit in being happy.” Tip #1: Since happiness didn’t evolve naturally, we must train our brain to achieve it. Key Point from Clip 2: Our brains default to the past or future, constantly scanning for threats, instead of resting in the present moment. Tip #2: Commit to meditation—like astrophysicist and TV journalist Graham Phillips, who saw powerful changes after just 8 weeks of his daily practice that helped him to focus in the present moment. Key Point from Clip 3: Extreme states of happiness are possible for all of us when we implement meditation consistently. Tip #3: Start small. Use the free meditations that come with Bliss Brain, or explore other guided programs until you find one that resonates with you I highly recommend watching the full interview with Dr. Church[v]—especially if you’ve struggled to stay consistent with your own practice. Even Dr. Church himself shares moments where he lost momentum, which is a reminder that this is a journey for all of us. Personally, I’ve cycled through different meditation programs—starting with John Assaraf’s work, then moving on to Dr. Dan Siegel’s Wheel of Awareness, using Dr. Church’s Bliss Brain meditations, and now practicing Dr. Joe Dispenza’s chakra-focused work. The program you choose matters less than your ability to make it a consistent daily practice—that’s when the real brain changes occur. We’ll see you next week as we continue exploring the Journey of the Mind, working on connecting practical science to improve our inner and outer world. See you next week!   RESOURCES: VIDEO CLIP 1 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DkeDGwbShwU VIDEO CLIP 2 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a5O3eI7qKro VIDEO CLIP 3 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zatnfj4MPok FREE ACCESS TO BLISS BRAIN RESOURCES, MEDITATIONS https://blissbrainbook.com/ REFERENCES: [i]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 98 “Dr. Dawson Church: The Science Behind Using a Meditation: Rewiring Your Brain for Happiness, Resilience, and Joy”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/dr-dawson-church-on-the-science-behind-using-meditation-rewiring-your-brain-for-happiness-resilience-and-joy/     [ii] FREE ACCESS TO BLISS BRAIN RESOURCES, MEDITATIONS https://blissbrainbook.com/     [iii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 204 “The Neuroscience of Happiness”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-fact-friday-on-the-neuroscience-of-happiness/   [iv]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 28 with Dr. Daniel Siegel on “Mindsight: The Basis for Social and Emotional Intelligenvce”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/clinical-professor-of-psychiatry-at-the-ucla-school-of-medicine-dr-daniel-siegel-on-mindsight-the-basis-for-social-and-emotional-intelligence/   [v] YouTube Interview with Andrea Samadi and Dr. Dawson Church https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8yVKHjFN4  

In this Season 14 review (Episode 368), Andrea Samadi revisits key clips from her original interview with Bob Proctor (Episode 66), exploring how frequencies, imagination, and intuition shape our goals and results. We will cover:  Tip #1: How to Understand Frequencies and Levels of Vibration Tip #2: You’ve Got to Follow Your Heart Tip #3: Your External Environment Reflects Your Internal Thoughts and Mental State   Three takeaways: use your imagination to move to the vibration of your goal; follow your heart as an inner compass; and remember your external environment reflects your internal thoughts and beliefs. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results.   For today’s Episode 368, we’re going back to Episode 66[i]  for PART 3 of our review with the late Bob Proctor—the first person who challenged me to think. We covered in PART 1 EP 366[ii]: ✔ Top Lesson from Episode 66 – Where we refined the question: “What do you really want to do with your life?” hoping that midway through 2025, we can refine our goals, and see if we are on track. ✔ Sage Advice Tip #1: “We have been given the mental faculties to create our own environment. “We explored how to go beyond our five senses and tap into the six higher faculties of our mind (further developing our reason, intuition, perception, will, memory and imagination.” ✔ Sage Advice Tip #2: “There’s only one mind.” We looked at how our actions matter because we are all deeply connected. ✔ Sage Advice Tip#3: “We are a soul—we don’t have one.” We reflected on the perfection within each of us, and how this perfection continually drives us toward bigger and better possibilities. We covered in PART 2 EP 367[iii]: Sage Tip #4: “If we want to improve our RESULTS, we must focus on the six faculties of our mind—reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, and imagination.”The key is to choose one of these faculties and dedicate time to studying and applying each one until you see real results from your deeper understanding. Sage Tip #5: “Goals are not set to get; they are set to grow.” Reminding us that sometimes goals don’t unfold the way we expect, and that’s okay—as long as we keep moving forward and growing. To do this, we must keep studying, learning about ourselves, clarifying what we truly want, and seeking specialized knowledge in our field from those who have gone before us. Today, EP 368, PART 3 VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch Watch video clip 1 with the link in the show notes. Bob begins this clip by talking about The Law of Vibration and why it’s so important to understand how frequencies work. Many of us have heard of this law by now, especially since the movie, The Secret by Rhonda Byrne brought it into the mainstream. But my first introduction to understanding frequencies was back in the late 1990s, when I was teaching in the classroom and picked up Bob Proctor’s book You Were Born Rich.[iv] I still remember hiding the book behind my binder during a staff meeting at the Toronto District School Board—I couldn’t put it down until I’d finished it. That book changed the way I looked at everything. Suddenly, I began to see new possibilities in areas where I might have once been closed off. What captivated me wasn’t Chapter 1, Me and Money, or even Chapter 2, How Much is Enough. It wasn’t about money for me. What drew me in was Chapter 6—The Law of Vibration and Attraction. In that chapter, Bob shared what he had learned from the late Dr. Wernher von Braun, covering everything from science and religion, to the cosmos, to rates of vibration and frequency. That chapter expanded my mind—it even touched on the connection between the brain and body, a topic that would fascinate me even more 25 years later. It also revealed how powerful positive thinking can be for our health and wellness, while introducing the foundational Laws of Success. I wanted to learn more, so every time Bob held a seminar, I made sure to attend. From spending time in his offices, and sitting in these classes, I began to pick up how to promote these seminars to others, that started with bringing something new home to study each night. Eventually, I started talking to seminar attendees on the phone, explaining Bob’s upcoming seminars. On these calls, I discovered what other people were studying. They would ask me, “Who else are you learning from?” and at first, I honestly didn’t know anyone else teaching this material. But I listened carefully, wrote down the names they mentioned, and searched for their books at the library—this was long before we could just go online and find everything instantly. Sometimes people would drop off other programs for Bob to review. I remember one day, someone left a cassette tape set at the office and asked me to pass it along to him. Curious, I opened the package and saw the title: “Special Subjects Vol. 1”[v] by Abraham-Hicks, covering The Law of Attraction. I realized that, while not many people knew about this material, those who did were using it to achieve incredible things. On the way to Bob’s house that evening, I couldn’t resist. I slipped one of the tapes into my car stereo and listened as I drove. When Bob opened the door, the first thing he asked me was, “Did you listen to one of them?” I was stunned—how could he possibly know? I admitted I had and said, “Yes, and the program is really good.” I wasn’t sure if I’d get in trouble for listening first, but instead, he later handed the tapes over to me to keep. I must have listened to them more than 100 times. That program led me to Abraham-Hicks’ books, audio programs, and seminars—where I met people from all walks of life: pro athletes fine-tuning their mindset, business leaders sharpening their edge, and everyday people like me, hungry to learn and grow. Those cassette tapes opened a door. Each word studied brought me back to that time when I was just beginning to understand this material—discovering a whole world of wisdom waiting to be explored. I will be sure to link other places you can go to learn this topic, if you would like to dive deeper. What helped me the most, was when I saw an image describing these frequencies, or levels of vibration. We’ve looked at and explored this visual often on this podcast, that matches how Bob explains goals and frequency on the clip we selected. The image shows the Goal (target) at a higher level (the star), with lines representing different frequencies or levels of vibration. The word “DECISION” marks the point where you shift to a higher level to match the frequency of your goal. We learned in this clip that “when we image a goal, what we’ve done is take our mind off on a trip. And we’ve gone to a new frequency, beyond where we are living.” We learned that it is our imagination that moves us out of our current state of awareness (or vibration) using the “screen of our mind”—the place where we see and create new possibilities before they exist physically. This “place” isn’t physical. It’s the inner screen of our mind, the same concept explained in The Silva Method[vi], where you consciously project images, ideas, and goals in mental pictures. That’s where creation begins—before it’s expressed in the outside world. I’ve often wondered, “How exactly do we shift to a new level of vibration?” It’s not something that’s easy to explain until we’ve experienced it ourselves. Looking back, the path seems clear—just as Steve Jobs once said, “we can only connect the dots backwards.” But moving forward, the process feels less obvious. We move to a new vibration when we’re in harmony with what we truly want. A powerful example of this is being in love—when we resonate deeply with someone, we’re on the same frequency. At times, this connection runs so deep that we can almost sense each other’s thoughts (a kind of telepathic communication). When we share the same frequency, it feels like magic unfolds. The same principle applies to our goals. Once you’ve decided what you want—whether it’s a career change, a relationship, or a new opportunity—you must connect your heart to it. Feel the resonance, and then use your imagination to paint the picture on the screen of your mind. With practice, patience, and belief, you’ll one day look back and see there were no limits to what you could achieve. Until that moment comes, keep moving forward, keep growing, and keep reaching for the stars, moving up those levels of vibration or frequency. Sage Tip #1: How to Understand Frequencies and Levels of Vibration “When we image a goal (on the screen of our mind, something that we resonate with) we take our mind on a trip and what we’ve actually done is gone to a new frequency. We’ve used our imagination to get there.” If we can see it in our mind, with our imagination, we can hold it in our hand. VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch Watch video clip 2 with the link in the show notes. There were two important lessons from this clip. Sage Tip #2: You’ve Got to Follow Your Heart. According to Bob, listening to your "heart" means trusting your intuition and emotional mind to connect with the divine side of yourself. He explained that this "heart" is not the physical organ but the subjective, feeling side of your mind that holds your deepest desires.  I remember after the interview, (back in June 2020) I wrote this on my wall, (you’ve got to follow your heart) and have used this as a sense of guidance ever since. We learned in this clip that “if you follow your heart you’ll never make a mistake, for as long as you live.” Do you listen to your heart? It’s this tip that brings us back to understanding frequencies, because when we are listening to our heart, we are paying attention to what we are in resonance with. Our deepest desires that will take us to whatever it is that we REALLY want to do with our life. All of these tips blend, and tie in together, like the colors of the rainbow. Sage Tip #3: Your External Environment Reflects Your Internal Thoughts and Mental State If we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—our job, our results, our relationships, or any part of our life we’ve created—we must first look within. Our outer circumstances mirror the thoughts and beliefs we hold inside. In As a Man Thinketh, James Allen reminds us of the power of our mindset: "Mind is the Master power that molds and makes, And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills, Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills— (depending on what we are thinking). He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass: Environment is but his looking-glass." The phrase “environment is but his looking-glass” means that your external environment is simply a reflection of your internal thoughts and mental state. The world you experience is showing you what’s happening in your mind. REVIEW AND CONCLUSION To wrap up this week’s Episode 368, PART 3—where we revisited two powerful clips from Episode 66, our interview with Bob Proctor—where we explored three key takeaways: Sage Tip #1: Understanding Frequencies and Levels of Vibration We discovered that there are infinite levels of vibration, and when we align ourselves with the frequency of what we truly want, magic happens. This is how we become one with our goal. There are no limits—only the challenge of using our imagination to bridge the gap between where we are now and where we want to be. Sage Tip #2: Follow Your Heart Listening to your heart means trusting your intuition and emotional guidance to connect with the divine side of yourself. Your heart can serve as a powerful compass to guide you toward the right decisions and opportunities in life. Sage Tip #3: Your External Environment Reflects Your Internal World If we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—whether it’s in our job, relationships, results, or any area of life—we must first look inward. Our circumstances mirror the beliefs and thoughts we hold within. As James Allen reminds us in As a Man Thinketh: our outer world is always a reflection of our inner state. With that thought, I will close out our 3 PART review of EP 66, and hope that calling out these tips that I thought were important will help us all to sharpen our saw, and find ways that we can all move confidently in the direction of whatever it is that we are working on this year, taking us to greater heights. I’ll see you next week as we revisit EP 98[vii] with Dr. Dawson Church, an award-winning science writer who blends cutting-edge neuroscience with inspiring stories of people who have experienced brain change firsthand. Neural plasticity—the discovery that the brain is capable of rewiring itself—is now widely accepted. What’s less understood is just how rapidly these changes can occur, how profound they can be, and the degree of control each of us has over reshaping our thinking. My goal is that we build on what we uncovered in our review of EP 66—refining the question of what it is we truly want—and then explore how to direct our thoughts inward to create lasting change with our goals and results. RESOURCES: How to Understand Frequencies, Vibration and The Law of Attraction with Bob Proctor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJpEkbf8zc   YouTube Short 1 Andrea Samadi and Bob Proctor https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oUZOe7SH0ng   YouTube Short 2 Andrea Samadi and Bob Proctor https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oUZOe7SH0ng  REFERENCES:   [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #66 with The Legendary Bob Proctor  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-legendary-bob-proctor-on/   [ii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 Redefining Goals with Bob Proctor-PART 1https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/unlocking-your-potential-redefining-goals-with-bob-proctors-wisdom/   [iii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 367 Perfecting The 6 Faculties of the Mind-PART 2  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/reaching-your-full-potential-perfecting-the-6-faculties-of-your-mind-reasoning-intuition-perception-the-will-memory-and-imagination-part-2-review/   [iv] You Were Born Rich by Bob Proctor https://www.proctorgallagherinstitute.com/programs   [v] Special Subjects VOL 1 by Abraham Hicks https://www.abraham-hickslawofattraction.com/special-subjects-volume-one.html   [vi] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast PART 1 of The Silva Mind Control Method https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/a-deep-dive-with-andrea-samadi-into-applying-the-silva-method-for-improved-intuition-creativity-and-focus-part-1/   [vii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast #98 with Dr. Dawson Church on the Science Behind Meditation https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/dr-dawson-church-on-the-science-behind-using-meditation-rewiring-your-brain-for-happiness-resilience-and-joy/  

Season 14, Episode 367 revisits Episode 66 with the late Bob Proctor, distilling two powerful clips about why people get stuck and how to move forward. Andrea Samadi connects Proctor’s timeless success principles — the six higher faculties of the mind (reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, imagination) and the idea that goals are set to grow — with modern neuroscience and practical steps for personal and professional growth. Brief, actionable takeaways: choose one mental faculty to develop at a time, embrace growth-focused goals even when outcomes change, and seek specialized knowledge to organize and direct learning into deliberate plans of action. Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives. That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results. As we kick off Season 14, I’ve been revisiting past episodes and reflecting on the incredible insights our guests have shared since we first launched in 2019. I mentioned last week that this reflection started when a young filmmaker, Vishal Sharma[i], reached out to me and offered to create YouTube Shorts[ii] from past interviews. When I saw his first example, something clicked. As I reviewed older episodes, I realized I had only scratched the surface of the lessons within each interview. So as we dive into this review of past conversations, know that this review isn’t just for you—it’s for me as well. I’ve learned that slowing down helps us to uncover even more wisdom, and I’m excited for us to walk this path together. For today’s Episode 367, we’re going back to Episode 66[iii] with the late Bob Proctor—the first person who challenged me to think. Last week we covered our first YouTube Short[iv] where we picked out three important nuggets of wisdom that I had missed until re-listening to this episode. We covered in PART 1: ✔ Top Lesson from Episode 66 – Where we refined the question: “What do you really want to do with your life?” hoping that midway through 2025, we can refine our goals, and see if we are on track. ✔ Sage Advice Tip #1: “We have been given the mental faculties to create our own environment. “We explored how to go beyond our five senses and tap into the six higher faculties of our mind (further developing our reason, intuition, perception, will, memory and imagination.” ✔ Sage Advice Tip #2: “There’s only one mind.” We looked at how our actions matter because we are all deeply connected. ✔ Sage Advice Tip#3: “We are a soul—we don’t have one.” We reflected on the perfection within each of us, and how this perfection continually drives us toward bigger and better possibilities. Today, we are going to cover 2 short video clips and dive into the wisdom contained within each, making the connections with each nugget of wisdom learned. And since I’m always looking to connect the science to our learning, there are some age-old success principles we will cover today, that are proven to work time and time again. While science doesn’t call out the success principles exactly as we will cover them today, Stanford University neuroscientist and tenured professor of neurobiology, Dr. Andrew Huberman does discuss “the science of imagination and its impact on creativity and learning” on his recent podcast episode “The Science of Creativity: How to Enhance Creative Innovation.”[v] Keep an open mind, as we discover how we can rise to new levels of success by applying the timeless principles we explored in Episode 66. For today’s EP 367-PART 2 of our review of EP 66, we will cover: Sage Tip #1: In the first clip we learned that “If we want to improve our RESULTS, we must focus on the six faculties of our mind—reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, and imagination.” The key is to choose one of these faculties and dedicate time to studying and applying it until you see real results from your deeper understanding. You could even spend an entire year on just one faculty, and it would be time well invested. Sage Tip #2: In the second clip we learned that “Goals are not set to get; they are set to grow.” Sometimes goals don’t unfold the way we expect, and that’s okay—as long as we keep moving forward and growing. To do this, we must keep studying, learning about ourselves, clarifying what we truly want, and seeking specialized knowledge in our field from those who have gone before us. VIDEO 1 Watch by Clicking Here Click on the link in the show notes to watch video clip 1 where I asked the question “what are some of the common reasons why people don’t reach their full potential” as I’ve always wondered why many of us get stuck. It really has boggled my mind over the years why there is such a puzzle around reaching high levels of success and achievement. Myself included. Bob replied with “well, the answer to that is pretty obvious. We were not taught anything about ourselves” and he went right back to how we were never taught how to live beyond our five senses, and most of us haven’t fully developed the six faculties of our mind that we went into on EP 294[vi]  and he said that we let the outside world control us. That rang true to me. It’s a rare individual who moves forward, towards their goals, past the many obstacles they face. Something always seems to get in the way, and delay progress, but those who achieve these high levels of success, have become masters at moving forward, despite what they face. Sage Tip #1: If we want to improve our RESULTS, we are going to have to narrow in on the six faculties of our mind (our reason, intuition, perception, will, memory and imagination). You can review the 6 faculties on EP 294[vii] where we covered each faculty, with examples on how to develop them. We could spend years working on each faculty, to really sharpen the saw. I remember when I first found a book on how to develop my intuition (one of the 6 faculties of the mind). It was my early days of living in the US (after moving from Toronto to Arizona in 2001, sometime after September 11th had happened) and I was cleaning someone’s house (after the work I was doing in the seminar industry came to a fast halt without the ability for people to travel by air) I found work that brought me more money than I imagined possible. It was a humbling time, that’s for sure.  I noticed this book on a book shelf and asked the owner if I could read her book, and bring it back when I returned. I remember she looked at me and said “keep it!” and took it off her book shelf. I must have given that book to someone else to read, (following her example) but I still have the next one I bought after that, called Developing Intuition by Shakti Gawain.[viii] Take your time learning these six intellectual factors. Each one, will serve you well once you learn how to use them, and developing these faculties would be one of the main differentiators that Bob mentioned separated those who achieved their goals, from those who did not. The biggest lesson I learned from diving into my intuitive factor (from reading these books) was learning to trust myself with the insights that would flash on the screen of my mind, (as learned from The Silva Method EP 261),[ix] or listening to my body with what neuroscience calls interoception and finally, applying this intuition to my work life, something that 20 years ago, was not a concept ever spoken about in our corporate workplaces. I’ll never forget when Greg Link, who took the 7 Habits Book to great heights with the Covey Organization, mentioned this book on Intuition, on EP 207[x] on “Unleashing Greatness with Neuroscience, Trust and the 7 Habits.” If Gawain’s book on Intuition was on Greg Link’s book shelf, I think that’s enough to say it comes highly recommended. To sharpen your saw on these higher faculties, go back and review EP 274, and make it a mission to work on one faculty at a time, until you are using each one, effectively, in your daily life. This will be time well spent. VIDEO 2 Watch by Clicking Here Click on the link in the show notes to watch video clip 2. ✔ Sage Advice Tip #2: In this clip we learned that “Goals are set not to get, they are set to grow. And sometimes if the goals don’t work, that’s ok. As long as you keep going, and growing. The main thing is that you keep growing, and become more of what you are designed to become. We have to keep doing greater good, and expand on what we are doing.” Then he went back to Thomas Troward’s quote that we covered last week, saying that “spirit is always for expansion and fuller expression” which explains that we will want to do bigger and better things all the time. To do this, he says, “we will need help, because specialized knowledge is so important.” Keep Growing There is a lot to think about with this tip. How do you keep growing? I think the answer to this is to keep studying and learning about yourself. I sometimes hear my kids say they want to do something (can we go to the mall) because they are bored, and I think, “why not read a book” and take your mind on a trip inside the pages of a book. I want to hand them Shakti Gawain’s book on Developing Intuition and tell them to come back to me in a year and tell me what they have learned, but in order to study and do the work needed, it has to come from within each person. You’ll agree with me if you have ever tried to force someone to read a book that you are enjoying. It’s much easier to transfer knowledge to others just by living by example. Do your own work. Keep studying, learning, growing, and when asked what you are reading, share what you are doing. You won’t be surprised when others come back and tell you that they have bought the book you are reading, and share with you what they have learned. Learning is contagious, but it must come from within each person, when they are ready. Specialized Knowledge We covered the importance of this topic on PART 3 of our Review of Napoleon Hill’s Think and Grow Rich book back on EP 193[xi] as this book has a whole chapter dedicated to Specialized Knowledge. Just to review, and further hone in on what it is that we want, chapter 5 of Hill’s book reminds us that an understanding of specialized knowledge will separate you from everyone else, making you special with the knowledge you have acquired. In chapter 5 Hill teaches us that knowledge (general or specialized) must be “organized and intelligently directed” (CH 5, page 79, TAGR) “and is only potential power. It becomes power only when, and if it is organized into definite plans of action and directed to a definite end.” While we are working on whatever it is that we want, and we are studying and learning, and growing as a result of this, we now add the understanding of asking others who have knowledge that we need (specialized knowledge) that we will take, organize it, and use it in pursuit of whatever it is we are working on. REVIEW and CONCLUSION To wrap up this week’s Episode 367—where we revisited two powerful clips from Episode 66, our interview with Bob Proctor—we explored: Sage Tip #1: In the first clip we learned that “If we want to improve our RESULTS, we must focus on the six faculties of our mind—reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, and imagination.” The key is to choose one of these faculties and dedicate time to studying and applying it until you see real results from your deeper understanding. You could even spend an entire year on just one faculty, and it would be time well invested. Sage Tip #2: In the second clip we learned that “Goals are not set to get; they are set to grow.” Sometimes goals don’t unfold the way we expect, and that’s okay—as long as we keep moving forward and growing. To do this, we must keep studying, learning about ourselves, clarifying what we truly want, and seeking specialized knowledge in our field from those who have gone before us. I hope that these tips that I wanted to revisit have helped you to continue to sharpen your saw, and bring you closer to whatever it is that you are working on this year. What I’m learning is that there isn’t an end to this process. We will always seek “fuller and greater expression” and to dedicate time to studying and learning about ourselves, we separating ourselves from those who struggle to reach their goals, to the ones who attain them, and then reach out to help others do the same. With that thought, we will close out this episode and I’ll see you next week, for PART 3 of our review of EP 66. If you want to learn more about how Bob Proctor created his legacy that include not only where he was successful, but where he struggled, you can watch the movie behind his legacy here https://www.bobproctorlegacy.com/   See you next week. RESOURCES: Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #293 https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-fact-friday-on-our-conscious-mind-and-the-five-senses/    [i] Vishal Sharma Instagram https://www.instagram.com/vishal_is_here03/   [ii] Andrea’s YouTube Shorts-created by Vishal Sharma https://www.youtube.com/@AndreaSamadi/shorts   [iii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #66 with The Legendary Bob Proctor  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-legendary-bob-proctor-on/   [iv] YouTube Short 1 with Bob Proctor  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_npFmt6zVE4   [v]The Science of Creativity: How to Enhance Creative Innovation Dr. Andrew Huberman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPlJcD-o-4Q   [vi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #294 “Beyond Our Five Senses: Using the Six Faculties of Our Mind”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/beyond-our-5-senses-understanding-and-using-the-six-higher-faculties-of-our-mind/   [vii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #294 “Beyond Our Five Senses: Using the Six Faculties of Our Mind”   https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/beyond-our-5-senses-understanding-and-using-the-six-higher-faculties-of-our-mind/   [viii] Developing Intuition: Practical Guidance for Daily Life by Shakti Gawain Published January 9, 2002 https://www.amazon.com/Developing-Intuition-Practical-Guidance-Daily/dp/1577311868   [ix] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #261 PART 1 of Apply the Silva Method for Improved Intuition, Creativity and Focus. https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/a-deep-dive-with-andrea-samadi-into-applying-the-silva-method-for-improved-intuition-creativity-and-focus-part-1/   [x]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE with Greg Link on 207 “Unleashing Greatness with Neuroscience, Trust and the 7 Habits” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/co-founder-of-coveylink-greg-link-on-unleashing-greatness-with-neuroscience-sel-trust-and-the-7-habits/   [xi] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 193 “Think and Grow Rich-PART 3” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/think-and-grow-rich-book-review-part-3-using-autosuggestion-and-your-imagination-to-put-your-goals-on-autopilot    

Welcome to Season 14 of the Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast! Join Andrea Samadi as she revisits past episodes to unearth profound insights from experts like Bob Proctor. As the podcast embarks on a journey of reflection, discover how to connect science with social and emotional learning for enhanced well-being, achievements, and productivity. In this episode, Andrea dives into episode 66, exploring life-altering lessons with the legendary Bob Proctor, who challenged her with the pivotal question: What do you really want to do with your life? Through the lens of practical neuroscience, learn how to craft huge goals, venture beyond our senses, and tap into the higher faculties of mind to transform those dreams into reality. Discover the essence of interconnectedness and the profound truth that we are souls, not just physical beings. This episode is a roadmap for anyone yearning to refine their goals and elevate their understanding to new heights. Don't miss this exploration of timeless wisdom that promises transformative growth. In this first part of our series, we’ll explore: How to ask the right questions to uncover your real desires. Why you must go beyond your five senses and tap into your higher mental faculties—like imagination, intuition, and will—to create a life you love. The mindset shift that transforms vague wishes into powerful, crystal-clear goals. Bob’s wisdom wasn’t just theory—it was a challenge to think differently, act boldly, and believe in possibilities far beyond my comfort zone. And it all begins with one question: “What do you really want?” Watch our past interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHWMCzfODU4  Watch our YouTube Short here https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_npFmt6zVE4  BE SURE TO SIGN UP TO SEE THE NEW MOVIE Bob Proctor's Legacy https://www.bobproctorlegacy.com/  On the EP 366, and PART 1 review of EP 66 we will cover: ✔ Top Lesson from Episode 66 – Refining the question: “What do you really want to do with your life?” ✔ Sage Advice #1: “We have been given the mental faculties to create our own environment.” We explored how to go beyond our five senses and tap into the six higher faculties of our mind. ✔ Sage Advice #2: “There’s only one mind.” We looked at how our actions matter because we are all deeply connected. ✔ Sage Advice #3: “We are a soul—we don’t have one.” We reflected on the perfection within each of us, and how it continually drives us toward bigger and better possibilities.   Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago I started this podcast with one big question that I had never thought of in the past: If productivity and results matter to you—how exactly are you using your brain to make these results happen? Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to boost our productivity, results, or well-being. That’s why I set out to bring you the world’s top experts—so we can learn the intersection of science, and social and emotional learning skills, putting what we learn into action every day, for predictable results. As we kick off Season 14, I’ve been revisiting past episodes and reflecting on the incredible insights our guests have shared since we first launched in 2019. This reflection started when a young filmmaker, Vishal Sharma[i], reached out to me and offered to create YouTube Shorts[ii] from past interviews. When I saw his first example, something clicked. As I reviewed older episodes, I realized I had only scratched the surface of the lessons inside each interview. I started re-listening—not just to refresh my memory, but to deepen my own understanding. And honestly, I was surprised at how many ideas I had missed or forgotten. So as we dive into this review of past conversations, know that this isn’t just for you, the listener—it’s for me as well. I’ve learned that slowing down helps us uncover even more wisdom, and I’m excited for us to walk this path together. For today’s Episode 366[iii], we’re going back to Episode 66 where my journey began, with the legendary Bob Proctor—the first person who truly challenged me to think. Back in the late 1990s, he asked me a simple but life-changing question: “What do you really want to do with your life?” I remember being completely stumped. I didn’t have a clear, well-thought-out answer. But looking back, I’m grateful he asked—because that question launched me on the path to understanding the mind, the brain, psychology, and neuroscience. It’s been a journey that’s had plenty of twists and turns, and where everything began for me. As we revisit past episodes like this one, my hope is that together, we can create a roadmap for success—one that helps you take the lessons you hear and actually apply them in your daily life. So going back to EP 66, and our interview with Bob Proctor, I think back and remember that it was easy to book time on Bob’s calendar back then, because this interview was scheduled June 2020, right at the start of the pandemic. Prior to this time, it would have been very difficult to have made this interview happen. I had written out some of the most important life lessons I had learned from Bob, prior to recording our interview, and while all the lessons are important, I am going to focus on the first one for this review. I learned how to set huge goals—goals most people might call “crazy”—when Bob asked me, “What do you really want?” When I gave him my answer, I knew I could have done better. I didn’t have my life all thought out at the time. I didn’t know what the faculties of my mind were, nor had I spent any time developing my intuition, or imagination. He met me where I was, and explained that there were specific steps I needed to follow. It began with writing my goals on a card he gave me, and I did what he told me to do. I actually put some of the goals into visual pictures that I drew out to go along with each goal. He told me that if I followed all his suggestions and truly believed in what I was doing, I could achieve what I wanted. I believed him—and I followed through. Looking back at the list of goals I set back then, in my early days of self-discovery, most of these goals were eventually achieved, and this “writing of goals on a card” became a yearly ritual to help me to keep moving forward. This was 26 years ago, and while that “goal-setting” activity was an important lesson to learn, as we are revisiting these episodes, and planning out the roadmap for this review, I’m personally revisiting this question now, and refining my vision for the next 1, 3, 5 and 10 years. What about you, the listener? Wherever you are tuning in from, around the world. Do you have a clear written description of what it is that YOU want? If we never think about this important question, and clearly write it all out, I’m sure you will agree with me that life will pass by, and our results will stay exactly the same. So, as we walk through each interview together, digging into the lessons we might have missed, do this with your written vision of what it is that you want, right in front of you, to refine and improve along the way. “What do you REALLY want?”[iv] Now let’s visit some of the pieces of wisdom I missed in EP 66, by reviewing our YouTube Shorts and see if we can take our understanding to new heights. VIDEO 1 Watch this YouTube Short SAGE ADVICE 1 “We have been given the mental faculties to create our own environment.” What exactly does this mean? In Episode 294, we explored these mental faculties in depth, revisiting the lessons Bob taught those 12 teenagers who forever changed the course of my life. That moment was the true starting point for me, and it began with this concept where I learned that if we can learn to live beyond our 5 senses (what we see, hear, smell, taste and touch” and begin to live through our higher faculties of mind (our reason, intuition, perception, will, memory, and imagination” we will take our results to unimaginable heights. Much of creating what I truly wanted in those early days began with my imagination, one of our mental faculties. The vision I wrote down on paper back then wasn’t logical by any standard—but it was the understanding of these mental faculties that shaped my future. This is a good concept to revisit, to be sure that when setting goals, that we are tapping into these “higher faculties of our mind” and reaching for places, things, experiences that stretch us beyond what we know we are capable to achieving. These higher faculties are here to take us to these NEW heights that we can only see when we open up to the potential of new possibilities that we may never have thought of before. REMEMBER: “Imagination is the most marvelous, miraculous, inconceivably powerful force the world has ever known.” Napoleon Hill SAGE ADVICE 2 “There’s only one mind.” When I first encountered this idea, it was in something I was reading that included a diagram—people connected like lightbulbs, all drawing from one main source. This can be seen as universal consciousness, or the collective consciousness, a reminder that we are all connected to each other and to the single intelligence behind all existence. It’s a profound concept, but to me it simply means this: what I do matters, because it affects the whole. I believe our goal is to continually expand our awareness and deepen our consciousness—a feat that National Geographic describes as “the most astonishing act our big, complex, interconnected brains pull off, and scientists are only just beginning to understand” (The Brain, Julia Sklar). SAGE ADVICE 3 “We are a soul, we don’t have one.” [v] This concept suggests that “the essence of a person is their soul” rather than their physical body. We did touch on the mind/body/soul connection with Marie Gervais on EP 214[vi] and I will always work on seeing the “spirit” of a person, and look deeper, than just taking what I “see” at face value. To better understand yourself and your goals, it makes sense to understand this concept that “we are a soul, we don’t have one.” There is “perfection” within each of us, and that perfection is seeking expression (with and through us). I could spend an hour talking about this one from Thomas Troward’s Dore Lectures of Mental Science where he explains that “My mind is A center of Divine operation. (think of a center of a basketball where there is power with movement, or so above/so below). The Divine operation is always for expansion and fuller expression, (we are always going to want more-if we are in sales, we will want more sales, if we are a runner, we will want to run faster. We will never be satisfied unless we are growing. We will always want to do what we do-better) and this means the production of something beyond what has gone before, (we have never done this thing YET) something entirely new, not included in past experience, though proceeding out of it by an orderly sequence of growth.” (this is HOW we move towards what we want, that thing that we imagined, something that takes us BEYOND where we have ever been…into a whole NEW place that in the beginning we could only see with our imagination, until one day…we are living this thing or live we imagined). And with just diving into 3 tips of wisdom from EP 66, there is so much more still to cover. REVIEW and CONCLUSION To wrap up this week’s Episode 366—where we revisited a clip from Episode 66, our interview with Bob Proctor—we explored: ✔ Top Lesson from Episode 66 – Refining the question: “What do you really want to do with your life?” ✔ Sage Advice #1: “We have been given the mental faculties to create our own environment.” We explored how to go beyond our five senses and tap into the six higher faculties of our mind. ✔ Sage Advice #2: “There’s only one mind.” We looked at how our actions matter because we are all deeply connected. ✔ Sage Advice #3: “We are a soul—we don’t have one.” We reflected on the perfection within each of us, and how it continually drives us toward bigger and better possibilities. With that, we will close out this episode. I hope that reviewing our past interviews helps you to refine your goals this year, and work towards whatever it is that YOU really want.   I’ll see you next week with PART 2 of our review of EP 66. There’s a lot still left to explore from this one. Have a good week and don't forget to sign up to watch Bob Proctor's Legacy Movie https://www.bobproctorlegacy.com/  RELEASED August 10, 2025   RESOURCES Vishal Sharma Videographer Instagram https://www.instagram.com/vishal_is_here03/ My YouTube channel https://youtube.com/@vishalsharma00991?si=Tj4CFHAy5CYrGgYU    Our Conscious Mind and 5 Senses https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-fact-friday-on-our-conscious-mind-and-the-five-senses/     NEW MOVIE BOB PROCTOR'S LEGACY RELEASED AUG 10th 2025 https://www.bobproctorlegacy.com/    REFERENCES:   [i] Vishal Sharma Instagram https://www.instagram.com/vishal_is_here03/   [ii] Andrea’s YouTube Shorts-created by Vishal Sharma https://www.youtube.com/@AndreaSamadi/shorts   [iii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #66 with The Legendary Bob Proctor  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-legendary-bob-proctor-on/ [iv] What Do You Really Want? Bob Proctor https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gaf1uXjuPHc   [v] Bob Proctor We Are a Soul, We Don’t Have One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFyBf8GDs3Y   [vi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #214 with Marie Gervais on The Spirit of Work  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/marie-gervais-phd-on-the-spirit-of-work-connecting-science-business-practices-and-sacred-texts-for-a-happier-and-more-productive-workplace/  

In this enlightening episode, Andrea Samadi welcomes resiliency expert and author Horacio Sanchez to discuss his latest book, "Unlocking School Bias: Using Neuroscience to Improve Student Outcomes." Together, they delve into how educators can effectively address bias in their classrooms by exploring neuroscience-based strategies. Horacio shares the significance of understanding subconscious biases, such as confirmation bias and impact bias, and their influence on students' well-being and achievement. He emphasizes the role of educators in creating inclusive environments by being aware of their own biases and adopting practical strategies that foster positive student interactions. This episode provides invaluable insights for anyone looking to make impactful changes in educational settings. Watch this interview on YouTube here https://youtu.be/V78873aZPBk On today's EP365 "Unlocking School Bias" you will learn to explore your own and your students' biases and discover: ✔ The latest research from psychology, education, and neuroscience. ✔ Different types of biases, including confirmation bias and impact bias, and how they manifest themselves in everyday life. ✔Practical strategies for educators who are ready to change their and their students' actions. ✔How patterns in one’s environment create biases and affect the brain’s development Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience. I’m Andrea Samadi, an author, and an educator with a passion for learning and launched this podcast 7 years ago now, with the goal of bringing ALL the leading experts together (in one place) to help us to APPLY this research in our daily lives. Welcome back! It’s always good to take some time away, for travel and family time, and it feels incredible to routine back to recording and routine. Thank you for tuning back in after our summer break where I hope you have taken some time off to refresh, before diving back into the second half of 2025. For today’s EP 365, we meet with someone who I first heard about on our very first interview, EP #3[i], with educator, Ron Hall, from Valley Day School, Pennsylvania on “Launching Your Neuroeducational Program.” Ron Hall mentioned it was today’s guest who opened his mind to connecting the brain to his classrooms, many years ago, and he has never looked back. Today, we welcome back resiliency expert, author Horacio Sanchez to the podcast for the 4th time. We met him first on EP 74[ii] on “How to Improve Brain Science to Improve School Climate”, EP 111[iii] on “Finding Solutions to the Poverty Problem: and again on EP 177[iv] where we gathered a team of experts to dive into the most significant insights they’ve noticed over the years in neuroscience. When we first met Horacio, we focused on his book The Education Revolution [ii]published by Corwin Press, that addresses the decline in empathy, increase in obesity, and the impact of implicit bias on minority students. Our conversation turned to focus on the problems we were seeing in the world at that moment (July 2020) highlighting the need for racial change through an understanding of race and culture. I knew that Horacio was deep into his next book, The Poverty Problem: How Education Can Promote Resilience and Counter Poverty's Impact on Brain Development that we went deep into on EP 74. Today we meet with Horacio Sanchez to review his latest book, Unlocking School Bias: Using Neuroscience to Improve Student Outcomes[v] that was released in February of this year, through Corwin Press. His most recent book, Unlocking School Bias ends the confusion around bias and provides educators with research and strategies that enable them to effectively address bias in the classroom and school in appropriate and productive ways. Learn to explore your own and your students' biases and discover: The latest research from psychology, education, and neuroscience Different types of biases, including confirmation bias and impact bias, and how they manifest themselves in everyday life Practical strategies for educators who are ready to change their and their students' actions How patterns in one’s environment create biases and affect the brain’s development Implicit bias occurs subconsciously and so quickly that the conscious brain is unaware that it happened. Yet, with mindful practice and reflection, we can rewrite the automated processes in our brains, stop our subconscious minds from determining our thoughts and behaviors, and help our students feel safe and successful in school. Let’s meet Horacio Sanchez and explore our own biases first, and then see how this understanding can help us with our students in the classroom, or with the athletes we coach, or in our workplace. Welcome back for the 4th time Horacio! It’s incredible to see you again. What have you been up to (other than traveling and working in schools?) INTRO: Horacio, I know that implicit bias came up on our first interview, and I’ve had other guest speak about this topic, but I wonder what made you want to write this book about Unlocking School Bias? Q1: After reading the Foreword by David Fink, where he mentioned that “he lived in a world where everyone around him constantly made assumptions about how people with dyslexia and adhd thought, felt and performed in school” and that “you can’t dodge these assumptions (that we know are biases). I started to see things differently, especially as you know the work I do day to day is around helping students who are struggling readers. I want to be sure that I am aware of my own biases. With the insights from David’s Foreword, why is it so important (or critical) that we check ourselves every day to stop our subconscious mind from determining our thoughts and behaviors? How can we do this? Q2: How do you see biases impacting student wellbeing and academic achievement? Q3: This topic has become popular over the past few years. What are some common misconceptions about biases that are harmful? Q4: What have you uncovered with the latest psychology, education and neuroscience research that can help us to break through the bias barrier? How can we use neuroscience to understand how our brains produce bias, predict when it’s probable, and prepare ourselves for appropriate responses? Q5: Chapter 1 The Birth of Bias you cover the first year of life of a baby, and how “in-group bias is an unattended outcome of infant-mother attachment” as well as how a “fear of strangers” first occurs in the early years of life. How can this brain-science now help teachers in the classroom with their students? What about for those who work with athletes? Or the corporate space? Q6: In Chapter 2 The Cup is Half Empty on the negativity bias, you cover in depth how “negativity bias is already present in the first year of life” and that “we are alerted to negative things in our environment faster than positive ones” and that “we remember negative experiences longer and more vividly.” This chapter was hard for me to read because I work hard to focus on the positive side of things every day, squashing the negatives, and wondered if brain science will go against all the hard work that I put into this. What does neuroscience say about the negativity bias, and how can we use this understanding to improve results in our schools, sports and workplaces? Q6B: The part of this chapter on change interested me, as I do come across your example from the book on change in my day to day experience. What can we do to help us through change, knowing how hard it is for the human brain?  Q7: In Chapter 3, Believe it or Not on Confirmation Bias, you cover how “our brain is programmed to see things in the environment that support existing beliefs” and that “research shows that teachers’ beliefs about students might be the strongest predictor of outcomes.” This reminded me of what David Fink wrote about in the Foreword, that was behind the reason for why he has devoted his life to “addressing the biases that stunt student achievement and well-being.” How can we combat confirmation bias and update our belief system?  Q8: Horacio, I love the work of Julie Porter, who created the graphic that accompanies your book. She explains each chapter, with an explanation of each bias, as well as strategies that educators can use. Since I’m always looking to extend the learning to our sports environments and workplaces, is there anything we should do different in our sports environments or workplaces as we are navigating these biases? Q9: As I was reading your book, and thinking of these subconscious biases that we all have, it made me think of something that came up in my brain scan evaluation with Dr. Shane Creado, after we recorded EP #84.[vi] Dr. Creado asked me if I had ever done any shadow work. At the time I hadn’t and I didn’t even know what it was. I thought it must have been important, so I’ve since started to look at Carl Jung’s work, and I wonder, how are our subconscious biases similar to our shadow-sides, or the hidden parts of ourselves that we can explore to improve our self-awareness? Q10: What are some final thoughts of what we can do with the “200 milliseconds where our subconscious mind has shaped our perceptions and influenced our behaviors?” What can we do to lessen the impact of implicit biases and create schools, sports or work environments where we can all flourish?” Horacio, I want to thank you very much for coming back to the podcast for a 4th time. What’s next on the horizon for you? We need to have you back for a 5th time, which will be a record for us on the podcast, beating out all guests. For people who want to follow your work, or reach out to you, is the best place still https://www.resiliencyinc.com/? CONNECT WITH HORACIO SANCHEZ Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/hsanchezceo/  X/Twitter https://twitter.com/ResiliencyInc  Instagram https://www.instagram.com/resiliencyinc/ EMAIL: [email protected] Horacio Sanchez, a national speaker and author, is an educational consultant to many organizations focused on improving formal education. He is recognized as one of the nation’s leading authorities on resiliency and applied neuroscience. His expertise helps schools overcome the impact of poverty, improve school climate, engage in brain-based instruction, and address issues related to implicit bias. He is the author of the best-selling books The Education Revolution and The Poverty Problem.   REFERENCES: [i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #3 with Ron Hall https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/interview-with-ron-hall-valley-day-school-on-launching-your-neuroeducational-program/   [ii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #74 with Horacio Sanchez on “How to Apply Brain Science to Improve Instruction and School Climate” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/leading-brain-science-and-resiliency-expert-horatio-sanchez-on-how-to-apply-brain-science-to-improve-instruction-and-school-climate/   [iii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #111 with Horacio Sanchez on “Finding Solutions to the Poverty Problem”  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/resiliency-expert-and-author-horacio-sanchez-on-finding-solutions-to-the-poverty-problem/   [iv]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #177 with Horacio Sanchez, Dr. Jon Lieff, Howard Rankin and Tom Beakbane  https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/firstpanel-interview-with-horaciosanchez-jon-lieff-md-howardrankin-phd-and-tombeakbaneon-the-most-significantinsight-from-neurosciencethatcould-tra/     [v] Unlocking School Bias: Using Neuroscience to Improve Student Outcomes by Horacio Sanchez published February 2025 https://www.corwin.com/books/unlocking-bias-292586?srsltid=AfmBOooya2rHddToUePQdt9hl23xILDh-IfZIS4HTCriszgDNGwbjjBD   [vi] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #84 on “PART 3: Andrea’s Brain Scan Results” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/how-a-spect-scan-can-change-your-life-part-3-with-andrea-samadi/