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The world was such a wholesome place until...Cruella, Cruella De Vil! Kat and Katie explore the "pure evil" of Cruella De Vil against the backdrop of the 1950s. And special guest Kris Fredriksson from the Dalmatian Rescue of Southern California joins us to talk all about Dalmatians and pet adoption.

Find show notes, resources, and more at www.narrativetherapypodcast.com.

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