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On this episode (chopping it up about): shooting an editorial magazine spread, embarrassing myself by not knowing geography, studying abroad, getting signed to an agency, seeing yourself on the model board, confidence chat, growing up in ut as ~women of color~, ethnically ambiguous bag, maintaining self esteem within the modeling (rejection based) industry, waiting for emails
References:
You’re Not Ugly, You’re Just a POC in a Predominantly White State (I WROTE THIS!!!!) read here
When The Black Gaze Expires (video essay) watch here
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING! Xo
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