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Prince Andrew - the royal problem that just won't go away - has done just that, by giving up his royal titles. So, Amelia Lester and Claire Murphy join our royal correspondent Holly Wainwright to try understand - why now? Plus, does high fashion actually hate women? From a dress that looks more like a cocoon, to an ensemble that includes a mask covering Kim Kardashian's entire face and a corset so tight your body actually spills out of it, it begs the question, who exactly is buying it? And, in Gwyneth-adjacent news, a new Netflix series is letting famous people have the last word from beyond the grave. So if you could have the last word, what would you say? Support independent women's media  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now Listen: What Did You Do Yesterday? Listen: "A Comedian Hurt My Feelings" Listen: Every Thought We Had About The Victoria Beckham Documentary Listen: The Victoria Beckham Documentary Is Hard To Watch Listen: The New High Status Boyfriend Listen: The Problem With Compliments Listen: The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other Listen: What Does King Charles Do With A Problem Like Prince Andrew? Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  Genuine question... does fashion hate women? The one question everyone is asking after Prince Andrew and King Charles' 'discussion.' What does Virginia Giuffre's death mean for Prince Andrew? A heist at the Louvre. Missing jewels. And a getaway straight out of a film. Alex Cooper asked Kim Kardashian everything we've quietly wondered. We pulled the answers. It’s official. These are the 10 iconic moments that completely changed the way we dressed. THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ever heard of 'Chatfishing’? Believe us, it's a thing, people, and may make you look at every message you receive in a whole new light. The trend is now to use ChatGPT for banter on dating apps and it’s leading to some awkward in-person dates.  The bus tour you did through Europe in your twenties has now been replaced with sunrise yoga and morning run clubs. We discuss why Gen Z is too sensible for that kind of wild fun with a bunch of strangers. Do you treat your friends like family? And should you? There are pros and cons which we unpack. Plus, the 'cunty bob' is out, and long hair is officially back in as we enter the Rapunzel age. But is long hair now a flex or an act of personal rebellion? And all our best reccos including a must-listen podcast, a book Em wants you to read and a go-to 80’s beauty product that's back.Support independent women's media  Jessie thinks you should try the Matifying Primer by Laura Mercier OR the Glowy Primer by Go ToHolly wants you to listen to This is Why We Fight and The GiftEm wants you to read Very Impressive for your Age by Eleanor KirkWhat To Listen To Next: Listen to our latest episode: What Did You Do Yesterday? Listen: "A Comedian Hurt My Feelings" Listen: Every Thought We Had About The Victoria Beckham Documentary Listen: The Victoria Beckham Documentary Is Hard To Watch Listen: The New High Status Boyfriend Listen: The Problem With Compliments Listen: The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTubeWhat to read: This is why we fight. 'My hair used to look thin and dry. Then I found this $19 Korean hair oil.' What actually works for hair loss for women? We asked an expert. 6 of the best hair growth serums that actually work. Women everywhere are now using this 'free therapist' and there's one big catch. The 28-year-old who has sex with her AI boyfriend. 'I'd resisted my Contiki guide all week. Then he invited me to his hotel room.' THE END BITS:Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.comMamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and FentonGET IN TOUCH:Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloudCREDITS:Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem.Group Executive Producer: Ruth DevineExecutive Producer: Sasha TannockAudio Producer: Leah PorgesVideo Producer: Josh GreenJunior Content Producers: Coco & TessaMamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

While there's an overwhelming sense of hope from the Middle East peace deal this week, we have some very complicated feelings about Donald Trump, so today, Jessie and Holly unpack them with Amelia and ask, "Can two things be true?" A comedian really hurt Amelia’s feelings at a live show recently and we’re asking when it’s okay to take the piss out of people?  Plus - a vape, a donated kidney and a friend breakup. Selena Gomez posted a behind the scenes video of her wedding and the internet has A LOT to say about it.  And, the bush is back. Or is it? Kim Kardashian has released some new hairy undies and we have questions about the bush renaissance. Support independent women's media  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Every Thought We Had About The Victoria Beckham Documentary Listen: The Victoria Beckham Documentary Is Hard To Watch Listen: The New High Status Boyfriend Listen: The Problem With Compliments Listen: The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book Listen: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  The bald eagle, the landing strip, the 70s bush: What women are doing with their pubes right now. Emma Grede cold-called Kris Jenner with an idea. Now she's worth $600 million. Ring details, Selena's wedding speech and everything else Taylor Swift just told Jimmy Fallon. 4 things that definitely didn't happen (and 5 that did) at Selena Gomez's wedding. Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco were friends for years. Then one day, everything changed. The world watched couple Noa and Avinatan being taken hostage. Their reunion is heart-wrenching. THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Victoria Beckham’s new docu-series has landed, and while it teases bombshells, it mostly confirms what we thought we already knew. Amelia, Jessie and Holly dive into the nostalgia, the PR spin, and what we really learnt that made watching so uncomfortable.. Also, Princess Kate Middleton has published an essay underlining our worst fears, that mobile phones are bad for us. But this isn't exactly new information, so why has it ruffled our feathers so much?  Plus, comedian Julia Morris is calling for women-only seating on flights. Is it about safety, comfort—or something bigger? We open up the debate. And in the ‘things we didn’t expect to care about’ category: why not making your bed might actually be good for you, Jessie learns dust mites are not, in fact, akin to butterflies plus, the pelvic floor tip that’s weirdly simple—and weirdly effective. If this conversation has brought up anything for you, please reach out to The Butterfly Foundation for support. Support independent women's media  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: The New High Status Boyfriend Listen: The Problem With Compliments Listen: The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book Listen: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Listen to The Quicky: The Final Israeli Hostages To Return Home Today & The Most Anxious City In Australia Listen to The Quicky: Trump Says Gaza War Is 'Over' Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  There's something Victoria Beckham has never told her parents. It's heartbreaking. Victoria Beckham shared an uncomfortable story about one of the Spice Girls, reigniting tales of their feud. Victoria Beckham’s new Netflix documentary is here and it contains one jaw dropping moment. A full timeline of Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry's rumoured romance. 'I didn't know how to keep my kids safe on their phones, until an expert shared these three hacks.' THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There's a new celebrity boyfriend doing the rounds and everyone from Jennifer Aniston to Princess Martha Louise of Norway (a royal rebel if ever there was one) are here to confirm that the spiritual-softboi era is officially here. Holly has a precise theory as to why. And Jessie poses a provocative question to both Holly and Mamamia's Editor, Stacey Hicks: is anti-natalism (aka choosing not to have kids for ethical reasons) gaining traction for a reason? Plus, we've had 'job hopping' and 'quiet quitting' but it's 'job hugging' that's the latest workplace trend — and no, it's not as cosy as it sounds. There are pros, there are cons and someone's missing out bigtime. Stacey explains. And in recommendations: A criminally underrated TV show that's perfect for weekend viewing A podcast that’s anything but average And a cult-fave hair product Jessie didn’t want to love... but does. Support independent women's media Recommendations Stacey recommends Shrinking on Apple TV  Jessie recommends Bedroom Hair texture spray by Kevin Murphy  Holly recommends Dr Stacey Sims on the MID podcast.  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: The Problem With Compliments Listen: The Couple Who Need To Stay Away From Each Other Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book Listen: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  Here's everything we know about Jennifer Aniston's boyfriend... presented without comment. Looking for a job change? These are 2025's most in-demand jobs that have the highest salary. You've probably heard the new term "quiet quitting". It's bullsh*t. Why everyone is a bit woo woo right now. 'I'm sick of feeling anxious about the climate, I want to feel optimistic instead.' THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Stacey Hicks. Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If we could give Jennifer Lopez one tip: not every ex needs a friendship arc. Looking at you, Ben Affleck. Some things — like red carpets and rekindled flings — are better left in the early 2000s. On today's show, Holly braces herself for this scurrilous JLo gossip. Take cover, friends. Plus, a plot twist in the Taylor Swift PR machine no one saw coming. Jessie’s been deep in internet sleuth mode and she’s ready to explain why the Swiftie outrage might actually be legit. And finally: WTF is klarnamaxxing? If you live by 'buy now, pay later', you need to hear Amelia deep dive into this. What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Taylor Swift Debrief: A Surprising Diss Track, Travis’ Wood & The Hot Takes Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book Listen: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  With two words, Jennifer Lopez just summed up what went wrong with Ben Affleck. Jennifer Lopez's first Instagram after splitting from Ben Affleck says everything. Nicole Kidman’s new breakup bangs are telling a much bigger story. HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The details that make Nicole and Keith's split kind of about us. The moment the tide turned for Jennifer Lopez. The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift. All the Life Of A Showgirl Easter Eggs in one place. A brutally honest review of Taylor Swift's new movie. THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Do you think one day you'd like to write a book? Well Outlouders... we've quite the little treat for your public holiday.  If you've ever had that thought (and let's be honest, who hasn't?), Holly and Jessie are about to give you the complete insider's guide. Em Vernem asks them every question you've ever had about how to write a book – and gets the unfiltered answers. How do you turn a random idea into an actual book? What's the real process of finding a publisher? Are any of their characters based on real people? In this episode, Holly and Jessie are sharing industry secrets, behind-the-scenes stories and even sneak peeks into their next book ideas. Plus, Jessie shares some game-changing advice from legendary author Jane Harper that every aspiring writer needs to hear. Support independent women's media  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore Listen: Cool Things People Do That We Think Are Very Rock 'n' Roll Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Listen: An Emergency Meeting About Nicole & Keith Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected Listen to Parenting Out Loud: Rihanna & A$AP Rocky's 'Love Junk' Rebrand & The TikTok Training Camp Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  All of Holly Wainwright's books in one place. The 40 best books to inhale in a weekend, according to Mamamia readers. The 22 best books Reese Witherspoon has recommended. 'I'm a new mum who read 60 books last year. This is how I actually did it.' If you loved A Court of Thorns and Roses, here are 6 romantasy books to read next. At age 30, Colleen Hoover was living in a trailer. Now she's sold 20 million books. Solo parenting and book writing: A real day in the life of Phoebe Burgess. The writing courses Jessie recommended: Writer's Studio: Novel & Script First Draft  & Writer's Studio: Unlock Your Creativity THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey Outlouders! For this week's Sunday special, we're dropping an episode of our sister podcast Well into your feed - because we know you'll love this conversation as much as we do. We're talking all things peri and menopause.  Does your endometriosis put you at a higher risk of early menopause? Did a pig castrator really perform the first-ever C-section? And if you've had a hysterectomy, do you still need to see a gynaecologist? On this episode of Well Claire Murphy chats to Professor Susan Davis, a founder of Jean Hailes for Women's Health and past president of the Australasian Menopause Society, to find out what's fact and what's fiction when it comes to the science of perimenopause.  They unravel common myths, including “disappearing labia” and talk about why some things you're being sold on social media - like weighted vests and special supplements -  may not be as miraculous as they might seem. Plus, talk about the latest research on delaying the onset of menopause and why it might not be a good idea for everybody. THE END BITS All your health information is in the Well Hub. Listen to more episodes of Well For more information on perimenopause and menopause, Professor Susan Davis and Dr Mariam recommend the Australasian Menopausal Society, the Endocrine Society, the International Menopause Society and Jean Hailes For Women’s Health.  GET IN TOUCH Sign up to the Well Newsletter to receive your weekly dose of trusted health expertise without the medical jargon. Ask a question of our experts or share your story, feedback, or dilemma - you can send it anonymously here, email here or leave us a voice note here. Ask The Doc: Ask us a question in The Waiting Room. Follow us on Instagram and Tiktok. Support independent women’s media by becoming a Mamamia subscriber CREDITS Hosts: Claire Murphy and Dr Mariam Guest: Professor Susan Davis  Senior Producers: Claire Murphy and Sally Best Audio Producer: Scott Stronach Video Producer: Julian Rosario Social Producer: Elly Moore Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.Information discussed in Well. is for education purposes only and is not intended to provide professional medical advice. Listeners should seek their own medical advice, specific to their circumstances, from their treating doctor or health care professional.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Outlouders, where's the craziest place you've ever had sex? We need to talk about the rise in people  having *ahem* private moments in public places. There's an interesting theory as to why which wait for it, involves the cost of living crisis. We clutch our pearls and explore. Plus, what are the exact things men need to be doing in 2025 to be considered a gentleman? An extensive etiquette list for men has just landed — but is it common sense or controversial? Em V, Jessie and Holly sit down to discuss.  Also, do you need an 'Invisible Day' and if so, how do you get one and what are the rules? And it's time for our reccos including some incredible books for the (long) weekend, and a podcast that has Holly all riled up.  Support independent women's media Recommendations Em V recommends The-Pile On by Clare Stephens Jessie recommends The Worst Thing I've Ever Done by Clare Stephens. Holly recommends Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth and Gravity Let Me Go by Trent Dalton. What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: Cool Things People Do That We Think Are Very Rock 'n' Roll Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative Listen: Parenting Out Loud: Rihanna & A$AP Rocky's 'Love Junk' Rebrand & The TikTok Training Camp Listen: No Filter: Clare Stephens Was Always ‘The Twin’ or ‘The Editor.’ What Happened When She Walked Away? Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected Listen: Everything You Need To Know About Writing A Book, With Holly & Jessie Listen: Girls' Trip Etiquette & Why You Need A 'Nicole Contract' Listen: The New Rules Of Etiquette For Every Age Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the latest episode of Parenting Out Loud which drops tomorrow. Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  Modern Etiquette: The 38 things we all really need to stop doing at weddings. Modern Etiquette: The 23 dating and relationship rules you should know. Modern Etiquette: The 23 workplace rules you’re definitely breaking. Sally Hepworth had everything she thought she wanted. Then a podcast asked one simple question. CLARE STEPHENS: 'The first chapters of my book "The Worst Thing I've Ever Done".' THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud CREDITS: Hosts: Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright & Em Vernem Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine Executive Producers: Emeline Gazilas & Sasha Tannock Audio Producer: Leah Porges Video Producer: Josh Green Junior Content Producers: Coco & Tessa Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

One of Australia's most iconic couples have called it quits. We are of course talking about Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban. Holly sits down with Amelia and Jessie to unpack what we know and to decode what's fact, what's fiction and what's plain ol' scurrilous gossip. Plus, when was the last time you changed your makeup routine? If it's been a hot minute, it's highly likely you're doing it all wrong. Amelia talks us through the latest TikTok tips that may turn everything you thought you knew about makeup upside down. And, why everybody needs to climb 'Cringe Mountain' to get to the 'cool'. But why do some generations find it harder than others?   Support independent women's media  What To Listen To Next:  Listen to our latest episode: An Emergency Meeting About Nicole & Keith Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected Listen: Everything You Need To Know About Writing A Book, With Holly & Jessie Listen: The Jimmy Kimmel Fallout & The Internet’s Biggest Cheating Scandal Listen:The Questionable Brilliance Of The 'Lemon Law' Listen: Every Thought We Had After Watching Netflix's 'Unknown Number' Listen to Parenting Out Loud: Stealth Mums, The Roblox Controversy & A Tiny Internet Feud Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts  Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here Watch Mamamia Out Loud: Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube What to read:  Nicole Kidman just filed for divorce from Keith Urban. This is what we know. OPINION: 'Everyone's saying the same thing about Nicole and Keith's divorce. They're wrong.' Two daughters and a rehab stint: A look back at Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's 19-year marriage. There's still an insatiable interest in Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's divorce. This story proves it. 'I’m an over-50s beauty writer. I use these 6 glowy products when I don’t feel like a full face of makeup.' The only makeup products you need after 40, according to beauty experts. THE END BITS:  Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton  GET IN TOUCH: Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected] Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message. Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show. Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.