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Mental Compulsions & Rumination: Breaking the Loop with Jess Marriner

08/09/2026
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Mental compulsions can be invisible, exhausting, and easy to miss- even for clinicians. In this episode, Jess and Laura sit down with Jess Marriner (creator of Breaking the Loop) to unpack what mental compulsions and rumination actually look like, how they differ from ordinary thinking, and why "just doing the exposure" doesn't always shift underlying beliefs.


They cover Pure O, whether OCD can exist without the "O," how to spot invisible compulsions in the therapy room, and what ERP and CBT look like when the compulsions are all happening inside someone's head. 


Plus: attention training, planned vs unplanned exposure, stress management and OCD, and a Jess M discount code you won't want to miss.


Perfect for anyone with OCD, clinicians working with OCD clients, or anyone who's ever wondered "is this rumination or just... thinking?”


Podcast by:

Laura Mole, Adv. Dip, MBACP OCD specialist therapist

and

Jessica Hayes, Msc PGDip, BABCP Accred OCD and perinatal specialist therapist

Featuring Jess Marriner, BABCP Accred OCD and anxiety specialist therapist


Follow Jess Marriner at @jessmarrinertherapy and access her Break the Loop at: Break The Loop

Use the discount code: justchecking20 at checkout for 20% discount

Time Stamps:

00:38 Episode overview

01:50 Introductions and catch up

06:50 Brain Spam

10:20 Overview of Jess M and Break the Loop

15:40 What do mental compulsions look like?

18:42 What rumination looks like

21:00 Thoughts vs thinking 

25:50 Why doing the thing doesn't change beliefs sometimes 

28:40 How can clinicians ask about mental compulsions 

31:10 What is pure O? 

32:40 Can we have OCD without the 'O'?

36:40 Jess H book sidebar

41:05 How does ERP or CBT look for invisible compulsions?

45:00 Attention training first

46:30 Unplanned and deliberate ERP

53:00 Stress management and OCD

57:35 The OCD game 

58:00 Jess M discount code

1:00:00 Weekly Win

1:01:04 Exposure Lab

1:05:20 Goodbyes

 

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Content Warnings:

We do reference some thoughts that people may find distressing so please listen with caution if this is you, and take a break if you need to. 


Disclaimer:

This podcast provides educational content only and is not a substitute for professional mental health support, please contact a mental health professional for advice and support.


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