"5 Before the Call " Framework Preview | COAR S1-EP4

Send us a textEvery successful recruiter knows that consistent business development is the foundation of their success, but how do the habits and strategies evolve as careers progress? This candid conversation reveals the real numbers behind prospecting discipline at different career stages.We dive deep into the evolution of a recruitment professional's business development approach—from the hustle of making nearly 700 BD calls annually in their early years to the more strategic focus required when managing teams and accounts. You'll hear specific metrics that drove success, including aiming for five BD and five candidate calls daily when building a desk from scratch, and how those targets shift with experience and increased responsibilities.What stands out is the unwavering commitment to daily prospecting, regardless of seniority. The guest shares their personal discipline of blocking 10-11 AM every day exclusively for BD activities, establishing this as a non-negotiable part of their routine. There's a refreshingly honest admission about the regret that inevitably follows when this discipline slips: "I know every single time I don't do it, I'm going to be annoyed at myself."Whether you're new to recruitment or a seasoned manager, this conversation offers valuable insights into maintaining the prospecting discipline that separates top performers from the rest. How many BD calls are you committing to this week? Listen now to benchmark your approach against industry veterans who continue to prioritize this essential activity.Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

Send us a textEver wondered what separates average recruiters from million-dollar billers? Mollie Gunn, Director i-Pharm Consulting , pulls back the curtain on the strategies that transformed her from rookie recruiter to industry powerhouse.Mollie’s approach to business development defies convention. Instead of chasing quick wins, she builds success through persistence, even calling prospects for years before landing them. "I'm relentless, I will not give up," she says, a mindset that has won her major accounts once thought unattainable.The episode dives deep into practical techniques that any recruiter can implement immediately. From creating structured BD blocks in your calendar to insisting on proper job briefings (never just over the phone), Mollie reveals the disciplined habits that drive exceptional results. Her signature question—"Why?"—serves as both a powerful objection handler and a tool to uncover clients' true needs during discovery calls.Perhaps most refreshingly, Molly challenges the transactional approach that plagues many recruitment businesses. She confidently articulates her value proposition to clients, standing firm on fees while offering creative alternatives like extended guarantees for retained work. "If the only thing you can negotiate on is price, I don't know if I really want to work with you," she states, embodying the confidence that has earned her trusted advisor status with clients.Whether you're new to recruitment or looking to break through to the next level, this episode delivers actionable insights that will transform how you approach business development, take job briefs, and handle objections. Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

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Send us a textLaura Cole, founder of HopesConsult and former co-founder of award-winning Lotus People, pulls back the curtain on recruitment business development in this captivating conversation. Having cut her teeth during the Global Financial Crisis in London's banking sector before building her own successful ventures in Australia, Laura shares battle-tested strategies that actually work in today's market.You'll discover why "research and prep is still BD" and how to weave prospecting naturally into your day rather than treating it as a dreaded separate activity. Laura reveals her framework for handling even the toughest client objections and explains why the most effective discovery calls focus on uncovering what clients don't like about their current recruitment process.Perhaps most valuable is Laura's passionate take on fee negotiation—a must-listen for any recruiter who's ever felt pressured to discount. "I just wish every recruiter would just say no, and then we wouldn't end up in this situation," she explains, offering practical advice for maintaining your rates while still winning business.Whether you're a seasoned consultant looking to sharpen your approach or new to recruitment and building your foundation, this episode delivers immediately applicable strategies to elevate your business development game. Connect with Laura on LinkedIn to continue the conversation and access more of her recruitment insights.Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

Send us a textSteve Tolen has spent over 20 years helping recruiters and leaders grow stronger, more sustainable businesses. In this episode, he shares his Five Before the Call methodology, a modern approach to business development built on personal branding, LinkedIn mastery, AI, video content, and real-world networking. Packed with practical tips on owning your niche, building trust, and creating long-term client relationships, this is essential listening for anyone serious about winning in recruitment.Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

Send us a textFrom launching businesses from scratch to guiding recruitment leaders toward sustainable growth, Steve Tolen has spent more than 20 years honing his approach to business development. In this episode, he opens up about the strategies, mindset, and hard-won lessons that have shaped his career in one of the most competitive industries in Australia.Steve breaks down his Five Before the Call methodology, a modern BD framework built on five essentials: personal branding, LinkedIn mastery, smart AI integration, compelling video content, and genuine in-person networking. It’s a system designed to create multiple, high-value touchpoints before a single call is made, making conversations warmer, deeper, and far more productive.But this isn’t just about tactics. Steve shares why patience, authenticity, and playing the long game will always outperform a transactional approach. He walks us through his five-step sales process: attract attention, increase engagement, build rapport and trust, co-create opportunity, and only then close, explaining why skipping the early steps is the fastest way to fail.We also explore how to own your niche, handle objections, strengthen long-term client relationships, and communicate value across all levels of seniority. Steve’s take on praising competitors instead of tearing them down is a masterclass in relationship-first business.Whether you’re building your recruitment career or refining your BD strategy, this episode offers a clear blueprint for standing out, winning trust, and building a business that lasts.Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

Send us a textHow do high-performing recruiters build desks that last in a market driven by noise, speed, and short-term wins? Mike Dickson from [axr] Recruitment & Search, a recruitment veteran with over 30 years of experience across Scotland, New Zealand, and Australia, shares the real playbook behind long-term success in sales and marketing recruitment.Mike didn’t just fall into a high-performing desk. He built one through strategic niche focus, consistent value creation, and an obsession with doing the basics better than anyone else. While others chase volume, Mike focuses on depth—spending more time in front of clients and candidates, leading meetings with the right questions, and positioning himself as a trusted market expert.His approach to objection handling is simple but powerful: keep asking why until you uncover the real concern. His approach to retained recruitment? Make the value so clear that the client doesn’t hesitate. And his philosophy on KPIs? It’s not about the number of calls—it’s about how many real conversations you're having and the impact they drive.Mike also reveals how content assets like podcasts, salary guides, and tailored reports build brand equity over time and keep you top-of-mind with the clients you want. His practical frameworks for structuring meetings, managing objections, and building lasting relationships offer a refreshing take on what real recruitment success looks like.If you're building your desk or preparing to launch your own agency, this episode is packed with lessons that will help you shift from being reactive to becoming a consistent, high-value operator. Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

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Send us a textHow do you build Australia's fastest growing manufacturing and logistics recruitment agency from scratch in just two years? Sam Hope and Jory Humphreys the dynamic duo behind H People, reveal their remarkable journey from startup hustlers to recruitment powerhouse.The secret to their meteoric rise? Relentless outbound activity. When launching their blue-collar temp agency, Sam and Jory weren't waiting for AI to generate leads—they were grinding through 50-100 cold calls daily. Their disciplined approach to "market mapping" specific geographic territories created a systematic blueprint that they've successfully replicated across multiple locations."Activity breeds activity" isn't just a catchphrase for these recruitment entrepreneurs; it's the foundation of their business model. Their consultants target 30 connected BD calls daily while implementing the ingenious "five up, five down" door-knocking strategy that turns single client meetings into multiple business development opportunities.What sets H People apart from competitors isn't just their hustle—it's their strategic focus. Rather than promising unrealistic outcomes or compromising on margins, they've built enduring client relationships through honest communication and consistent delivery. Their integration of offshore resources with Australian consultants has created a powerful operational model that frees up 30-40 hours weekly for revenue-generating activities.Whether you're launching your own recruitment venture or looking to supercharge your existing desk, this episode delivers actionable insights on geographic targeting, maintaining margins, relationship management, and building a sustainable recruitment business. Connect with Sam and Jory on LinkedIn to continue the conversation and learn how consistent activity can transform your recruitment results.Support the show· Our Website is: xrecruiter.io

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