Turning pay into a business driver: A CHRO + CFO conversation

Fair pay means nothing if no one believes it. That’s the wake-up call from Payscale’s latest Fair Pay Impact Report. Despite rising wages, transparency laws, and improved market conditions, employees don’t believe they’re being paid fairly—and it’s costing businesses their best people. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, host Ruth Thomas is joined by Lexi Clarke and Kate Peter—three women in the C-suite who are putting fair pay back at the top of the agenda. They unpack what the data tells us, what it feels like as leaders, and what needs to happen next. Episode Resources: Fair Pay Impact Report - https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/fair-pay-impact Email [email protected] for listener questions and suggestions Connect with us Email: [email protected] Website: https://www.payscale.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/payscale X: https://twitter.com/payscale YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/payscale Chapters (00:00) Commitment to Fair Pay and Leadership Introductions (02:52) The Importance of Staying Loud About Pay Equity (05:06) Challenges and Realities of Fair Pay Perception (13:14) Economic Pressure and Trends Impacting Compensation Trust (17:06) Defining and Practicing Real Transparency (24:02) Personal Experiences Shaping Pay Advocacy (31:01) Rebuilding Trust Through Honest Conversation

When the CFO asks why… will you panic or present your case with confidence?  In this episode of Comp and Coffee, we go behind the scenes with Lexi Clarke and Philip Watson to uncover how HR and Finance can stop speaking past each other—and start building stronger pay strategies together. Whether you're preparing for budget season or defending comp decisions in the boardroom, this episode gives you the language, data, and mindset you need to show that compensation isn’t just a line item—it’s a lever for business success.

Compensation isn’t just an HR function—it’s a core business strategy. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, we look into the pay crystal ball with Rebecca Toman of Pearl Meyer, Ruth Thomas, Chief Compensation Strategist at Payscale, and Sara Hillenmeyer, Payscale’s Director of Data Science. Together, they explore how trusted data, AI, and a forward-thinking approach to comp strategy can help organizations not just keep up—but lead. If you care about performance, retention, equity, or executive pay, this episode is your blueprint for aligning comp strategy with long-term business success. 

What happens when your pay strategy sparks more questions than confidence—and your best people start walking? In this episode, we bring in the experts to tackle the hard truths behind tough pay conversations and how to rebuild trust before it’s too late.

Compensation has come a long way—from handwritten ledgers and dusty binders to AI-powered insights and real-time salary data. But what does the past teach us about where we’re headed? Join us for a nostalgia-packed, future-forward journey through the history of comp, featuring expert reflections from WorldatWork, and predictions from the people shaping the next era of pay. 

Compensation isn’t just an HR function—it’s a core business strategy. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, we look into the pay crystal ball with Rebecca Toman of Pearl Meyer, Ruth Thomas, Chief Compensation Strategist at Payscale, and Sara Hillenmeyer, Payscale’s Director of Data Science. Together, they explore how trusted data, AI, and a forward-thinking approach to comp strategy can help organizations not just keep up—but lead. If you care about performance, retention, equity, or executive pay, this episode is your blueprint for aligning comp strategy with long-term business success.

What happens when your pay strategy sparks more questions than confidence—and your best people start walking? In this episode, we bring in the experts to tackle the hard truths behind tough pay conversations and how to rebuild trust before it’s too late. Episode resources: https://www.payscale.com/featured-content/cbpr Email [email protected] for listener questions and suggestions

Compensation has come a long way—from handwritten ledgers and dusty binders to AI-powered insights and real-time salary data. But what does the past teach us about where we’re headed? Join us for a nostalgia-packed, future-forward journey through the history of comp, featuring expert reflections from WorldatWork, and predictions from the people shaping the next era of pay.

What's the state of the gender pay gap in 2025?  In this episode Ruth Thomas discusses Payscale's 2025 Gender Pay Gap Report with Amy Stewart, Payscale's principal content strategist and author of the report.  Together, they explore the controlled and uncontrolled pay gaps, the impact of pay transparency, and the various systemic factors contributing to the gender pay gap.  Gain insights into why pay disparities persist and what organizations can do to address these inequalities. Key Highlights Discussion on the difference between controlled and uncontrolled pay gaps and their current figures. Examination of how pay transparency legislation is affecting gender pay gaps across different states in the U.S. Insights into the systemic issues and historical context driving the gender pay gap, including the role of motherhood. Analysis of specific data showing pay disparities for women of color and in various industries. Recommendations for organizations on measures to close the gender pay gap. Quotes "Pay transparency legislation is showing promise in closing pay gaps, though the impact is gradual." – Amy Stewart "The gender pay gap remains at 83 cents on the dollar for women, highlighting persistent barriers in the workforce." – Ruth Thomas Resources 2025 Gender Pay Gap Report: https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-gap/

With the median company now using three salary data sources—and four or more for larger organizations—it’s clear that more data is the norm. But more doesn’t always mean better. Are you truly getting the most out of your investment in compensation data? Or just adding complexity without clarity? In this episode, we break down what an effective compensation benchmarking strategy really looks like—and how to use multiple data sources strategically, not just simultaneously. Resources:  2025 Compensation Best Practices Report  Quick Guide - Aggregate salary data strengthens job pricing confidence  What's the price of free salary data?  Why salary surveys are so darn popular