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In more than four decades of university leadership, E. Gordon Gee was seldom dull. During stints at Brown, Vanderbilt, and Ohio State Universities, Gee made news for tangling with trustees, controversial spending decisions, and impolitic jokes. In his final presidency, at West Virginia University, Gee presided over major budget cuts before retiring in 2025. Despite some public bruising, Gee is a force of personality in higher education whose unapologetic style ingratiated him to students and donors alike. But what does he make of Americans’ souring attitudes toward the sector? And why does he think so many college presidents today are crippled by fear? Related Reading Survivor: The Ohio State Edition (The Chronicle) Gordon Gee’s Last Stand (The Chronicle) Vanderbilt Reins in Lavish Spending by Star Chancellor (The Wall Street Journal) Guest E. Gordon Gee, president emeritus of West Virginia U. For more on today’s episode, visit chronicle.com/collegematters. We aim to make transcripts available within a day of an episode’s publication.

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