Obsession, Backrooms, and the 1970s Moment Hollywood Needs Right Now | Episode 553

For years Chris and Daniel have been saying the corner was going to turn, that history would repeat itself the way it did in the 1970s. It turned. Jason Blum said the same thing last week. Two horror films made by twenty-something YouTubers just proved everything the studio system has been getting wrong, and the box office numbers are not being polite about it. Obsession cost under a million dollars. Backrooms cost ten million. Both are outperforming movies that cost a hundred times more. Chris and Daniel break down both films as filmmakers. They get into what Obsession borrows from Takashi Miike's Audition and why that works, how Backrooms uses the architecture of infinite scroll and TikTok as genuine psychological horror, why sound design and shadows are a more effective budget tool than any AI pipeline, what the economics of AMC A-list are doing to studio revenue models, and why the wrong lesson from all of this is to go hire these directors to make a Texas Chainsaw Massacre sequel. Referenced in this episode: Obsession (2025) Backrooms (2026) Audition (1999, dir. Takashi Miike) Avatar 3 (2025) The Odyssey (Christopher Nolan) (2026) Mandalorian and Grogu (2026) AMC A-list > A24 > Blumhouse > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

Hollywood is having a Marie Antoinette moment. The people running studios and making AI announcements have no idea how their decisions are landing with the audience that actually buys tickets, and the backlash to Jorge R. Gutierrez announcing Punky Duck as an AI project is just the most recent and visible proof. Chris and Daniel are joined by Trina Renee, a studio-side post producer whose client credits run through Warner Brothers and Fox, and Julianna Medina-Politsky, who spent a decade as an executive at Legendary Entertainment and now runs Station X Ventures, for a conversation that is more grounded in the realities of production and finance than most discussions of this subject ever get. The episode tracks what is actually happening right now. Obsession got made with private equity because Universal passed, and it worked. The Backrooms built a decade of community before anyone put it in a theater, and the studios still haven't figured out what that means for distribution. Gareth Edwards keeps coming up as the filmmaker who understands this moment best, someone who always worked like he was discovering the movie rather than executing a plan, and who is now using AI the same way. The conversation keeps landing on the same uncomfortable truth: taste is the only thing that cannot be automated, and the industry keeps trying to route around it. Guests: Trina Renee on IMDB > Julianna Medina-Politsky > Referenced in this episode: Station X Ventures > Legendary Entertainment > Latina Squad > Jorge R. Gutierrez / Punky Duck AI on the Lot (Amazon) Obsession (Blumhouse / Universal) The Backrooms Gareth Edwards / Monsters Iron Lung / Markiplier This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

Sergio Cilli is going to get hate from both sides. The pro-AI crowd thinks he's mocking their tools. The anti-AI crowd thinks he's a hypocrite for using them. He's fine with that. Cilli is a director and writer who came up through sketch comedy and the writers' room of a David Spade Comedy Central show, went on to the Late Late Show as a segment producer, built a commercial directing career through Funny or Die, and has been making people laugh on the internet for twenty years. His Instagram series Will AI Replace Us? has become one of the sharpest, funniest pieces of AI criticism online precisely because he's doing both at once -- using the tools seriously enough to know exactly where they fall apart, then putting that failure on camera and reacting to it live. The comedy isn't a take. It's a demonstration. Chris and Daniel sit with Sergio and get into how the series actually started, why the joke stops being funny the second you swap in a human actor, what the gaps in AI performance reveal about what real acting actually is, and why all those viral "Hollywood is cooked" demo reels conveniently avoid putting anyone on camera with a speaking part. They also dig into the moat question -- why AI has flattened every competitive advantage in the industry except the one that always mattered: knowing what's good. Links Sergio Cilli on Instagram > Sergio Cilli on IMDb > Sergio Cilli on YouYube > Will AI Replace Us? > Will AI replace us Merch Store! > We Got That B-Roll > Ruairi Robinson's Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise video > Ruairi Robonson's "Are we Not Men" >   This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)  

Gothic horror is having a moment, and Justin Denton got there before the wave. His feature The Curse of the Sin Eater is now streaming on Prime, built for under a million dollars with 19 shooting days, a single private benefactor, Chicago theater actors, an English manor that half-burned down and got rebuilt by hand, and a composer found on Spotify who bowed his guitar like a cello because he didn't own one. Justin is a VFX veteran who has worked on $200 million productions, directed VR experiences for Legendary, and now has a completed independent feature with a Samuel Goldwyn distribution deal to show for a process that looks nothing like what Hollywood taught him and everything like what filmmaking actually requires. Chris and Daniel dig into the full journey with Justin: how the sin eater mythology stuck with him through COVID, why he pitched it as a drama dressed in horror clothing, what it costs to make a real film in a union town, how distribution actually gets done in the backroom deals before AFM (American Film Market) even opens, and why not having a recognizable name in your cast is the one decision that follows a first-time director all the way to the release screen. The conversation ranges from the Philippou Brothers grinding out horror on YouTube in rural Australia to Demi Moore chasing a script nobody thought she would want, to why the studios are wrong about Gen Z and the movies. This is a real-world map of what it takes to make a feature right now. Links and References: Justin Denton on IMDB > Justin Denton on LinkedIn > Justin Denton on Instagram > The Curse of the Sin Eater Trailer > The Curse of the Sin Eater on Amazon Prime > Film discussed: Talk to Me (dirs. Danny and Michael Philippou)  The Substance (dir. Coralie Fargeat)  My Old Ass (dir. Megan Park)  Weapons (dir. Zach Cregger)  Obsession (dir. Cory Barker)  The Bride (dir. Maggie Gyllenhaal) Widows Bay (Apple TV+)  Honey Don't (dir. Ethan Coen)   This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

The man who invented nonlinear editing is not done disrupting filmmaking. Bill Warner, founder of Avid Technology and the engineer behind the tool that unlocked the indie film revolution of the 1990s, has spent the last several years pushing a new idea at Lightcraft: a CAD system for movies, built to take a filmmaker from first idea to final pixel without ever losing control to the technology along the way. If Avid gave editors the freedom to try things, Lightcraft is designed to give everyone on a production the freedom to stop asking permission. Chris and Daniel get deep into Bill's full origin story, from a spinal injury at 18 that he describes as the thing that set him free, to building a whistle-controlled device for a paralyzed roommate that eventually landed in the inventor's hall of fame, to getting into MIT with grades that had no business getting him there, to the moment in a video editing suite in 1987 when he decided he was going to build Avid because no one else had done it yet. Along the way, Bill lays out exactly what Lightcraft's Spark Story is designed to do, why he thinks prompting your way to a movie is a fantasy that will drive people insane, and why the goal is not AI that makes the movie but AI that says, "You're the boss of me."   Links and References Bill Warner on LinkedIn >  Lightcraft / Spark Story > Avid Wikipedia > USD (Universal Scene Description) >    This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

A movie from 2006 looks like it could have come out last year. The cars are the same. The computers are the same. The fashion, the cinematography, the music -- all of it effectively unchanged. Chris and Daniel use The Devil Wears Prada as a lens to ask a question that goes well beyond film: has Western pop culture simply... stopped moving? The conversation covers the film's craft -- Meryl Streep's uncommonly restrained performance, why the movie works better than it has any right to, and why Daniel reads Miranda Priestly not as a villain but as a Whiplash-style manifestation of what the main character actually wants. But the real thesis is bigger: the iPhone, social media, the collapse of risk-taking across studios and streaming, and why neither audiences nor executives are really to blame -- the incentive structure is. Chris and Daniel also get into the sin-eater problem, why indie film has lost its live-wire energy, and what it actually takes to stop doom-scrolling and just make the thing. Links and References What The Devil Wears Prada and Your iPhone Have in Common: Nothing Has Changed in Twenty Years > The Devil Wears Prada (2006, dir. David Frankel) The Devil Wears Prada 2 (2026, dir. David Frankel) Justin Denton, The Curse of the Sin Eater Five Easy Pieces (1970) The Last Detail (1973) Whiplash (2014) Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) Swiss Army Man (2016) Sinners (2025) Suits (TV series) The Office (TV series) Frasier (TV series) The Big Picture podcast > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)  

Marc Rienzo is a veteran VFX artist and supervisor with his roots deep in compositing -- the kind of career that runs through Digital Domain, Sony, Weta, and the first Spider-Man's web-swinging climax, a shot he was literally escorted away from by a PA to make sure he went home after three days straight. That obsessive standard for invisible work turns out to be exactly the skill set that matters most when everyone else is just typing prompts. Marc and Chris dig into what it really means to match a shot to the DP's camera rather than just making it look cool, why compositors add optical imperfections on purpose, and how the discipline of working to film print-outs created habits that digital pipelines quietly erased. They also get into the honest conversation about what AI changes for VFX artists who never wanted to make their own films -- versus those like Marc who are now using 30 years of production knowledge to self-publish a comic book series and build a solo movie trailer using AI tools. If you have spent decades making every pixel work, Marc argues, you know exactly what to ask AI to do and when it got it wrong. Most people typing prompts don't have that. Links: Marc Rienzo's website > Marc Rienzo on IMDB > Marc Rienzo on YouTube > Foundry Nuke > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

Hollywood isn't dying. It's being deconstructed and reassembled into something nobody has a blueprint for, and the people falling into the water right now are the ones who have to figure out what the new ship looks like. Chris Nichols, Daniel, and James are recording this one from a moving car, driving from Los Angeles to Angel's Camp, California for a live location shoot on their Monstrous Moonshine western, June July. The conversation they have on the way there turns into one of the more honest assessments of what the industry is actually going through: not an AI problem, not a streaming problem, but a collapse of the middle-ground ecosystem that used to grow directors, fund weird ideas, and keep creative risk alive. But first: how a pocket watch changed everything. Before any of that industry talk, the crew digs into what happened when they started shooting vid-viz for June July on an iPhone. James, who plays the outlaw Ross in the film, found something in that low-stakes exploratory process that nobody had scripted: a lonely man who thought he had more time, holding a dead man's pocket watch and staring at the life he ruined. That discovery rewrote Ross's entire arc, threaded a new storyline through the larger film, and proved that vid-viz isn't just a pre-visualization tool. It's where the real story gets found. From there the conversation opens up into what it actually means to survive a reshuffling industry, why the lens test mentality is the most insidious way creative people avoid making things, and what anyone with 25 years of experience and a suddenly obsolete skill set is supposed to do next. Links: Monstrous Moonshine > James Blevins IMDB > James Blevins LinkedIn >  Virtual Production: 'June July' Filmmakers Test New "VidViz" Technique | The Creative + Tech Orbit > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

Hollywood has been gatekept for decades, but a multi-hyphenate who has appeared in films with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Werner Herzog, co-written a screenplay with Stan Lee, and produced for VH1 and Comedy Central is now building something the studios never could have given him. Victor Varnado, stand-up comedian, actor, filmmaker, National Science Foundation grant recipient, and CEO of Supreme Robot Pictures, spent the pandemic pivoting hard into tech and never looked back. The centerpiece right now is High Score Game Arcade, a global competitive gaming platform he built from scratch, recently showcased at South by Southwest, and is now closing a distribution deal that puts his games in front of over 100 million monthly users across Samsung TVs and beyond. The flagship product, a deceptively deep single-player tic-tac-toe championship with a heuristic scoring engine, is just the beginning. The conversation covers how Victor developed patented accessibility technology to help people with disabilities play video games, got a National Science Foundation grant for it, then watched a company called Infinite Reality buy it with shares right before a failed IPO. He and Christopher Nichols dig into what it actually takes for artists to pay themselves in 2025, the power of the hybrid newsletter and the email list as sustainable revenue engines, and why the Roger Corman model is still the smartest path forward for indie filmmakers. Victor also co-produces the Iron Mule Comedy Film Festival in New York, programming monthly short comedy screenings, and makes a sharp case that the biggest threat from AI is not the technology itself but the people deploying it who do not know what they are doing. Links: Victor Varnado on IMDb > High Score Game Arcade > Iron Mule Comedy Film Festival > Supreme Robot Pictures > The Great Fantasy Debate >  This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)

500 episodes of television is a number that stops people cold, and Jay Worth hit that milestone last year without slowing down. Worth came up through the pressure cooker of Digital Domain's commercial division, survived the 23-episode broadcast grind on J.J. Abrams' Bad Robot slate across Alias, Fringe, Lost, and Cloverfield, and helped define what prestige television VFX looks like on Westworld before most people knew what a volume stage was. Now co-producer on Fallout, he has spent three decades turning budget constraints and impossible schedules into a methodology that the biggest shows in streaming depend on. On Fallout Season 2, Worth breaks down how the show shot entirely in California, brought Raynault VFX in Montreal in for New Vegas, tackled the Deathclaw sequence using fire as the only light source on a volume stage packed with practical snow, and delivered 3,200 shots while staying laser-focused on world-building over spectacle. He also gets into his philosophy of getting into the writer's room on day one, why VFX diplomacy is a craft that needs to be taught, and how he thinks about AI as just another tool in the same way the industry once thought the volume stage would be a magic bullet. Links: Jay Worth on LinkedIn > Jay Worth on IMDB > Fallout Season 2 (Amazon Prime Video) >  Raynault VFX > Magnopus >  Episode 542 - Refuge VFX: How a Portland Boutique Landed Fallout, Shogun, and One Piece > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)