Episode 515 - Daniel Thron, Chris Nichols, and Lily Nichols - CG Garage’s new home, Monstrous Moonshine

Episode 515 marks the very first CG Garage Podcast episode under the Monstrous Moonshine banner, and it’s a big reset moment. Chris is joined by longtime collaborator Daniel Thron and new producer/coordinator Lily Nichols to introduce this new chapter. Together, they reflect on the origins of the Monstrous Moonshine name, its ties to both 1970s cinema and mathematics, and why it represents the kind of creative synchronicity they want to bring into filmmaking. They also talk openly about the transition from Chaos, where the podcast began 11 years ago, and what this move means for the future of the show. The discussion quickly moves into the state of the movie industry today, with the group debating whether Hollywood is on the brink of another “New Hollywood” moment like the late 1960s. They examine the rise of bold new films such as Everything Everywhere All at Once, Spider-Verse, K-Pop Demon Hunters, and Godzilla Minus One, contrasting them with the fatigue of endless franchises. The conversation also tackles AI’s role in the future of production, the pressures on young filmmakers, and why risk-taking is once again the only way forward. It’s both a reflection and a rallying cry: a podcast looking back at its roots while leaning hard into the future of filmmaking. Monstrous Moonshine > CG Garage > Ray Tracing FTW >

This episode marks the final CG Garage podcast under the Chaos umbrella. The next chapter of the show will launch under a new banner, continuing the conversations that explore the art, craft, and future of filmmaking. Armen Kevorkian joins Chris to reflect on his long career in visual effects, from his early start as an intern on Star Trek: Voyager and Deep Space Nine to becoming the president of Ingenuity Studios. He shares how mentorship in those formative years at Paramount shaped his career, his transition into supervising on shows like Invasion and The Flash, and the evolution of VFX in broadcast television, where tight deadlines and experimental techniques pushed his teams to innovate. Armen recalls being part of television milestones like scanning actors for digital doubles for the first time and watching the rise of superhero shows that paved the way for streaming-era ambitions. The conversation dives into how the industry has shifted in the past 20 years, from the challenges of working through COVID and adapting to remote workflows, to the rise of generalists and the growing role of AI tools in concepting, roto, and plate prep. Armen reflects on invisible effects, the hidden craft of making audiences believe something was always there, and how facilities must adapt as filmmakers experiment with leaner, bespoke VFX pipelines. He also shares his vision for Ingenuity Studios, their recent work on projects like Untamed and Weapons, and his excitement about building tighter partnerships with filmmakers from the earliest stages of production.

At SIGGRAPH 2025, Chaos unveils major updates to Vantage and Arena that significantly expand real-time ray tracing workflows. Product managers Simeon Balabanov and Georgi Zhekov join Chris to break down the new capabilities, including native USD and MaterialX support, Gaussian splats with ray-traced lighting, volumetric caches, and a streamlined pipeline that keeps the same asset across previs, virtual production, and post. This episode arrives just in time for SIGGRAPH, where these features are being officially announced, giving listeners an early look at what will be showcased in Vancouver. The conversation dives into key production tools like mimic lights for realistic set illumination, in-volume color correction, real-time depth of field, and live lighting adjustments. Simeon and Georgi explain how these innovations reduce conversion work, improve on-set flexibility, and allow for advanced asset previews even from a home studio using Vantage with camera tracking. They also highlight new camera tracking protocols, a standalone material editor, and Arena’s watermark trial mode, showing how Chaos is making high-end virtual production more accessible and adaptable for filmmakers.

In this episode, Chris chats with Susan O’Neal, a long-time force in the visual effects industry, about her remarkable career journey and insights into the evolving VFX world. Susan recounts starting as employee #24 at Digital Domain in the early ’90s, working on landmark projects like Titanic, and moving through various studios such as Lightstorm, A52, CIS, Zoic, and Riot. Along the way, she wore many hats, from operations to production, before pivoting to recruiting, where she found her niche connecting talent with opportunity while balancing her family life. Susan shares candid stories about the early days of VFX, the quirky culture at DD, and how she transitioned into recruiting and coaching. She and Chris discuss how the industry has changed with remote work, tax incentives, and the rise of AI and virtual production. Susan also offers practical advice for creative professionals on LinkedIn best practices, career resilience, and staying adaptable in uncertain times. This episode is a thoughtful reflection on the past, present, and future of creative careers.

VFX veterans Chad Wanstreet and Allan McKay join Chris to talk about their new startup, Version Zero, a company aimed at automating the mundane tasks that bog down visual effects work. Born out of years of frustration with tedious jobs like roto, paint, plate cleanup, and matchmove, Version Zero helps artists and studios save time and focus on the creative parts of production. Chad and Allan share the origin story of the company, which started over Thanksgiving wine and coffee, and explain how their tools are already being used on shows like The Sympathizer and SWAT. The conversation dives into how Version Zero works, how it differs from other AI-driven tools, and why they have resisted VC funding to stay focused and practical. Chris, Chad, and Allan debate the future of entry-level VFX jobs, the rise of the empowered generalist, and how AI can enable artistry rather than replace it. They also reflect on the resistance to new technology in the industry, the “false economy” of outsourcing, and the importance of developing tools that fit real production needs. It’s an honest and thoughtful look at the future of VFX in an AI-driven world and how to build a smarter starting point for artists: version zero.

We’re trying something new this week and taking a break from the usual interview format. This episode kicks off a roundtable discussion format that we plan to revisit every few months. Chris is joined in person by Daniel Thron and James Blevins, both CG Garage podcast veterans, for a relaxed but sharp conversation about recent events in technology and the movie industry. The group starts with James Cameron’s bold claim that he wants to use AI to cut costs without laying anyone off, and whether that’s even realistic in today’s production model. They also discuss MUBI, a platform well known for championing indie films, and why its $1 billion valuation signals a shift in what audiences and investors are willing to support. From the box office surprise of Sinners to the decline of risk-taking in studio films, it’s a wide-ranging talk about where things are going and how we might all adapt.

Marti Romances, co-founder and creative director of Territory Studio San Fransisco, joins the podcast to share his journey from designing DVD menus in Spain to creating iconic futuristic interfaces for blockbuster films like Prometheus, The Martian, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier. With roots in multimedia and motion graphics, Marti explains how his early passion for architectural drawings and spatial design naturally evolved into a unique approach to interface aesthetics. His breakthrough came when he moved to the UK and joined Activision, eventually landing at the nascent Territory Studio, where he helped define a new visual language for storytelling through motion design in narrative media. In this episode, we dive into how sci-fi interfaces not only serve narrative functions on screen but often inspire real-world technology—from heads-up displays to augmented reality systems. Marti discusses the balance between realism and imagination in interface design, the transition from on-set graphics to post-production VFX, and how new mediums like AR, AI, and automotive UX are redefining our relationship with digital interaction. As he puts it, the goal is to keep “augmenting the human experience,” whether it’s in a movie theater, a car, or a future mixed-reality space.

Michael Ralla joins the podcast to share his journey through the world of visual effects, with a focus on his latest project as VFX Supervisor on the film Sinners. He discusses how he worked closely with cinematographer Autumn Durald Arkapaw, whose fearless approach to lighting and darkness pushed the creative envelope. The episode features a deep conversation about the differences between film and digital, the evolving language of color, and how these choices impact storytelling—insights that are especially relevant to the visual style of Sinners. Michael also opens up about his unconventional path into VFX, from his early ambitions as a heavy metal drummer to finding his footing in sound engineering, and ultimately discovering his passion for compositing. He reflects on his formative years at Scanline, learning the ropes through hands-on experience, and how that foundation led him to major studios like Digital Domain and ILM. Throughout the episode, Michael’s candid perspective offers a rare look at the challenges and excitement of modern visual effects, as well as the importance of staying adaptable in an ever-changing industry.

Jess Loren, CEO and co-founder of Global Objects, joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about the future of immersive content and the creative tech reshaping the industry. A force to be reckoned with, Jess has a sharp pulse on where things are headed, and she doesn't hold back when discussing the current state of Hollywood. She talks candidly about the challenges studios and creators face today, and how technology like digital scanning, virtual production, and Gaussian splats can embolden independent filmmakers. Jess also shares insight into how she builds meaningful partnerships across art, tech, and media. Her business and life partner, Erick Geisler, appeared back in episode 483, and together they’ve helped position Global Objects at the intersection of innovation and storytelling. In this episode, Jess dives into her own journey as an entrepreneur and explains how she identifies trends before they break, working with brands, creators, and studios to help them stay ahead. Whether you're building pipelines, pitching ideas, or just trying to understand where things are going, this episode offers a grounded, unfiltered look at the creative future.

Johnson Yan, a trailblazer in real-time 3D graphics, joins the podcast to recount his remarkable journey from the earliest days of computer graphics and flight simulation. Starting in the late 1970s, Johnson tackled fundamental challenges like texture mapping, anti-aliasing, translucency, and scalability, long before today's GPU technology emerged. He shares insights into his pioneering work at Singer-Link, where he developed flight simulators utilizing vector graphics and early raster technology, laying the groundwork for both military training and future advancements in real-time visualization. In this episode, Johnson also discusses his transition into the commercial sector, detailing his impactful roles at companies like Sun Microsystems and Oak Technology. He explores his efforts to develop affordable 3D graphics chips, significantly enhancing consumer PCs' capabilities. Reflecting on industry milestones such as the rise of NVIDIA, the evolution from rasterization to ray tracing, and the integration of AI into modern graphics, Johnson provides unique historical context and personal anecdotes. His firsthand perspective offers a rare glimpse into the technological evolution of real-time graphics spanning nearly half a century.