949: Seeing Greene: Is Losing $800/Month in Cash Flow Worth $200K+ Equity?

Which will make you richer: real estate vs. stocks? We brought the fine folks from The Motley Fool on the podcast to get into a serious debate over which asset makes you more money, which is easier to invest in, and which saves you the most in taxes. We’ll go head-to-head against The Motley Fool’s Jason Moser and Matt Argersinger to finally answer the age-old question: Should you invest in stocks, real estate, or both? For this debate, we had to bring out the big guns. That’s why Dave Meyer and BiggerPockets CEO Scott Trench will be on team real estate for this debate, as Chris Hutchins from All the Hacks moderates to ensure things stay fair. Although we’d love to admit that we crushed this debate, there are some moments when the stock investors will surprise you, showing that real estate may not be for everyone and how stocks beat real estate in numerous ways. But that doesn’t answer the question, “Does real estate make you richer?” Don’t worry; we’ll get into all that in this debate.  Stick around as we get into the topics you care about most: building wealth, barriers to entry, volatility and risk, diversification, REITs vs. rentals, leverage and liquidity, time commitments, tax advantages, and more. If you’re itching to park your cash in an investment, hear out the debate BEFORE you make a move! Support today’s show sponsor, Rent App: the free and easy way to collect rent! In This Episode We Cover The ultimate real estate vs. stocks debate (and which will make you richer) Barriers to entry and which asset class is the EASIEST for beginners Volatility and risk, and the sizable advantage real estate has for stable pricing  REITs (real estate investment trusts) vs. rentals and the more “passive” type of real estate investing  How much time it actually takes to succeed at stock investing and landlording  The MASSIVE tax advantages to real estate investing that stocks cannot beat  Why BiggerPockets CEO Scott Trench invests more in stocks than in real estate (!?) And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (02:20) Stocks vs. Real Estate Investing  (04:08) Building Wealth  (08:43) Barriers to Entry  (14:50 )Volatility and Risk  (20:41) Diversification (23:42) REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) vs. Rentals  (32:57) Time Commitments  (35:53) Leverage and Liquidity  (41:12) Tax Advantages  (43:54) Closing Arguments  Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-955 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Would you buy a house for $100K? That’s right, just twenty-five percent of the median home price in America. Well, we found a couple who does just that, finding fixer-upper properties that often cost less than six figures and turning them into eye-catching, head-turning homes. They even argue that these cheap old homes are BETTER than the newer-built house flips that so many investors are targeting today. So, how do you find your next $100K home, and where do you start looking? Elizabeth and Ethan Finkelstein, the brains behind HGTV’s Cheap Old Houses and the social media account by the same name with millions of followers, join us on today’s show. Elizabeth and Ethan love cheap old houses, but not for the reason you think. Most investors purely look at the numbers or the profit potential, but Elizabeth and Ethan see beyond that, fixing up old houses to not only collect the significant equity gain but restore communities and bring back long-forgotten styles, materials, and looks. They’ve bought houses for as cheap as $27,000 and turned them into homes anyone would dream of having. If you’re an investor without much capital and can get a little handy, these old houses could explode your portfolio. But who SHOULD be buying these cheap old houses? Stick around as Elizabeth and Ethan give their expert advice on what to DIY vs. hire out, which old pieces to keep, the best way for beginners to get started with little money, and the decades that built the BEST houses! In This Episode We Cover How to get on the path to financial freedom by buying cheap old houses  Buying houses for just $27,000 and where to find these types of homes  How old is old enough, and the decades when building quality starts to decline Using the “live in flip” strategy to buy your first fixer-upper or primary residence  DIY vs. hiring it out and the tasks that Elizabeth and Ethan enjoy the most  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:24) Why Cheap Old Houses? (05:16) $150K Houses!? (07:17) Rehabbing New vs. Old Houses  (19:03) Who Should Do These Rehabs? (20:11) Best Ways to Get Started  (23:38) DIY vs. Hiring it Out (27:47) Connect with Ethan and Elizabeth! Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-954 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Could building houses make you more money than buying existing ones? When should someone use the 1% rule in real estate, and when does this metric point to a cash flow disaster? What’s the best way to get more capital or funding for future real estate deals: get a HELOC on your primary residence or look for investor-only DSCR loans? We’re pulling some of the top questions from the BiggerPockets Forums and giving our answers on today’s show! Expert investors Dave Meyer, James Dainard, and Kathy Fettke from the BiggerPockets On the Market podcast are on today to answer YOUR real estate investing questions. First, we return to the age-old debate, “Does the 1% rule exist anymore?” With high home prices and lagging rent growth, this once foolproof metric could be an outdated calculation inexperienced real estate investors should avoid. Next, can you make more money building houses than flipping houses?  Are turnkey rentals the best “low headache” real estate investment? We’ll answer that and give our thoughts on when to use a HELOC (home equity line of credit) vs. a DSCR loan (debt service coverage ratio). Finally, for our out-of-state investors, we share the top metrics to look at BEFORE you invest in a new market.  Want to ask a real estate investing question? Post yours in the BiggerPockets Forums, and we might select it for our next show! In This Episode We Cover The 1% rule explained and when you should (and definitely shouldn’t) use it to decide on deals Building new construction vs. flipping houses, plus which could make you more in 2024 Turnkey real estate investing and whether the lost value-add potential is worth the passive income HELOCs (home equity lines of credit) vs. DSCR (debt service coverage ratio) loans Best tools to use and metrics to track when looking into out-of-state investing markets  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (00:46) Is the 1% Rule Dead? (08:24) Building vs. Flipping Houses (14:30) Are Turnkey Rentals Worth It? (20:56) HELOCs vs. DSCR Loans (25:07) Local Market Metrics to Track (30:46) Ask Us Your Question! Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-953 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You don’t have to race to financial independence to get there. Dave Meyer, VP of Market Intelligence at BiggerPockets, took his time building up passive income, and years later, it’s what has allowed him to amass impressive wealth all while living abroad, working where he wants, and securing a very stable retirement. But Dave wasn’t always some housing market genius who knew every statistic and metric about real estate investing. He started as a broke college student with no job prospects, struggling to pay his own rent. After graduating college during one of the worst recessions America had ever experienced, Dave was waiting tables to keep the lights on. He realized that he needed a different way to get ahead, and just getting a job wasn’t going to be enough. So, even with no money, Dave convinced a few friends to buy a house together while he borrowed money for his share of the down payment. Dave managed the property, took the tenant phone calls, and did what he had to do to learn the real estate ropes. And…it worked! Now, a decade and a half later, Dave has an entire real estate portfolio of long-term and short-term rentals and passive income streams from syndication investments, but this all started with one small deal he took a chance on. Today, Dave shares every part of his story, from finding the first deal to moving abroad, pausing buying rentals, and why he’s getting BACK in the game now and doing deals again! In This Episode We Cover How to invest in real estate even if you’re starting from zero with NO money The power of house hacking and how this strategy can explode your real estate portfolio  Optimizing your portfolio and how to systematize your rentals so YOU don’t do all the work Investing during a housing crash and why most Americans were running from rental properties  Passive investing through real estate syndications and the pros and cons of putting your money in one  Why Dave is finally getting back into the rental property game after years on the sidelines  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:08) First Rental with NO Money (12:25) Optimizing His Portfolio (18:30) Investing During the Crash (19:46) Moving Abroad (21:45) Passive vs. Active Investments (30:59) Dave’s Current Portfolio Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-952 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Housing prices won’t budge, but there could be some relief on the horizon for homebuyers. As America’s affordability crisis continues to strain consumers, one of the most considerable costs, housing, is much to blame. Rising mortgage rates are making monthly payments significantly more expensive than just a few years prior, but how long can this last? According to the Vice President of Enterprise Research Strategy at ICE, Andy Walden, not much longer. Every month, Andy’s team at ICE releases their Mortgage Monitor data reports, sharing valuable insights on what’s happening in the housing market. On this BiggerNews, we’re asking Andy to share what the data is telling him about home prices, mortgage rates, housing inventory, and buyer demand but, even more importantly, where we could be headed in 2024 and whether or not this hot housing market still has room to run. While there has been huge home price growth over the last few years, Andy reckons prices could begin to “soften” as affordability reaches its breaking point. With demand retreating from the market and housing inventory still on the rise, prices may start to decline, and even if interest rates do fall again, we may not see the uptick in demand many home sellers are waiting for. Stick around as we unpack exactly what’s moving the housing market with ICE’s Andy Walden!  Support today’s show sponsor, Rent App: the free and easy way to collect rent! In This Episode We Cover Why home prices may begin to “soften” in 2024 and what’s causing demand to fall How to predict housing market trends and the key metrics that indicate potential price movement  The “lock-in” effect that’s causing homeowners to hold on to their properties  Why inventory is quickly rising across much of America, EVEN with sky-high rates The ongoing affordability crisis and the dramatic changes that could solve it  Record home equity and why American homeowners may be richer than ever  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:37) Home Prices Hit New Highs (06:08) How to Predict Market Trends (09:53) Will Prices Soften? (11:37) Why is Inventory Rising?  (19:09) Rate Cuts Won’t Solve This  (27:15) The Cure for Low Affordability  (29:15) Home Equity Breaks Record  Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-951 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There’s one way to invest in real estate that’s cheaper, easier, and more efficient than almost any other strategy. It allows you to get the best mortgage rates with the lowest down payments and buy properties in the best areas. And you can do it every single year until you grow a massive real estate portfolio. Real estate millionaires have been made using this strategy, but most Americans have no idea about it. What’s the wealth-building secret that savvy investors are taking advantage of? Of course, it’s house hacking. If you’ve never heard of house hacking before, the concept is simple: You buy a single-family home or a small multifamily property and rent out the space you’re not using. This not only allows you access to the best mortgages but also keeps your mortgage cost lower than living on your own. This strategy is so good that expert investor Dave Meyer and today’s lender guest, Terrence Terrell, have used it repeatedly to build serious wealth. If you’re a first-time homebuyer or have a home but want to get into rental property investing, this is THE strategy to try first. Terrence gives a beginner-friendly masterclass on house hacking, showcasing the huge benefits of house hacking’s low-money-down loans, what you need to have to qualify for a mortgage, the common misconceptions most people get wrong about house hacking, and how to use this strategy to build wealth fast. In This Episode We Cover House hacking explained and why it’s the easiest beginner real estate investing strategy  How to buy your first investment property with as little as ONE percent down  Qualifying for a mortgage and what first-time homebuyers must know before they apply The free way to find out whether or not you’ll be able to get financing for your house hack The easy, low-money-down way to build a real estate portfolio by house hacking  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:26) What is House Hacking? (03:16) Put Just 1% Down! (07:50) Who Should House Hack? (09:28) It's Not as Hard As You Think (11:55) What Homebuyers Need to Know (14:51) Qualifying for a Mortgage (18:43) Advice for First-Time House Hackers  Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-950 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Would you buy a rental property that loses money every month? What if, in a few years, that one property could make you hundreds of thousands of dollars? Would the negative cash flow be worth the massive appreciation upside? Today, we’re answering that exact question from an investor who could be sitting on a wealth-building opportunity but doesn’t know what decision to make. Should he buy the "bleeding" property at a steep discount or give up this needle in the housing market haystack to avoid a cash flow trap? Let’s find out! We’re back on Seeing Greene as David and Rob, your go-to real estate investing experts, answer questions directly from BiggerPockets Real Estate listeners like you! First, an investor has a rare opportunity to buy “Grandma’s house” with over $200K+ in potential equity upside. The problem? It will LOSE $800/month! Next, a new property manager wants to know how to raise rents on a twenty-year tenant. Do you pay capital gains on the profit of your home sale or the entire amount? We’ll show you how to know how much you owe. Then, an investor debates selling his C-class cash-flowing properties in exchange for appreciating assets, and we explain the “sneaky rental” tactic that’ll take you to ten rental properties in no time! Want to ask David a question? If so, submit your question here so David can answer it on the next episode of Seeing Greene. Hop on the BiggerPockets forums and ask other investors their take, or follow David on Instagram to see when he’s going live so you can jump on a live Q&A and get your question answered on the spot!  In This Episode We Cover Negative cash flow and one of the ONLY times it makes sense to buy a “bleeding” rental How to raise rents (the right way) on a long-term tenant  Capital gains tax explained and how much YOU could owe on your next home sale Whether to trade cash flow for appreciation and selling your rentals that don’t have room to grow  The “sneaky” rental tactic that allows you to scale a real estate portfolio FAST  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:23) Losing $800/Month to Make $200K? (11:59) Raising Rents On 20-Year Tenant (21:28) Comment Section & Capital Gains 101 (25:47) Trade Cash Flow Portfolio for Appreciation? (33:05) The "Sneaky Rental" Tactic (38:20) Ask Us Your Question! Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-949 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you think about short-term rental and Airbnb markets, what comes to mind? Joshua Tree, the Smoky Mountains, maybe Destin? We all know about the famous short-term rental markets, but what about the not-so-famous ones? You know, the unsexy markets where you book an Airbnb for a conference or when you’re going to see extended family? That’s right; we’re talking about everyday American markets like Cincinnati, Ohio. But surprisingly, these markets make some of the best investments for short-term rental investors like Jarrod Tucker and Yiwei Cheng. Jarrod and Yiwei moved to Cincinnati for work shortly after catching the real estate investing bug. They knew they wanted to invest in real estate, but long-term rentals only came with measly cash flow that would never support their passive income goals. So, what’s the next best option? Short-term rentals! Unfortunately, Cincinnati isn’t known as a popular vacation getaway, but it didn’t have to be to support Jarrod and Yiwei’s cash flow dreams! Now, five years after the start of their investing journey, they have ten rentals of their own and manage a couple dozen more for other investors. The question is, how do you make money with short-term rentals in an unsexy market? Jarrod and Yiwei walk through their tips for finding the right properties, keeping occupancy rates high, buying real estate when your DTI (debt-to-income) gets maxed out, and why you MUST separate yourself from the basic short-term rentals to reach your financial goals. In This Episode We Cover The three types of short-term rental guests who consistently come to markets like Cincinnati  How to set your Airbnb apart if you’re in a saturated short-term rental market  Tips for higher occupancy and what you MUST have to get more bookings  Scaling your real estate portfolio when you have high DTI (debt-to-income) Using partnerships to buy even more properties when you’re low on cash Why you DON’T need to invest in high-priced, popular vacation destinations  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:36) The Accidental Airbnb Host (08:07) Short-Term Rentals in…Cincinnati? (13:37) Are Short-Term Rentals Saturated? (19:46) Tips for Higher Occupancy (22:31) Scaling with High DTI (Debt-to-Income) (32:24) Advice for New Investors Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-948 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Want a low mortgage rate? We mean a really low rate—like 4.75% in 2024 low. What about half a million in profit on a sneaky development deal? Or, maybe you’d settle for a quick house flip that pockets you $55,000 on a bad day. These aren’t made-up numbers; these are REAL deals that our expert investing panel is doing in today’s hot, hot housing market. And if you know where to find deals and steals like these, you, too, could be taking home huge profits like they are! Thankfully, they’re sharing all their secrets on today’s episode! David and Rob are taking some time off to play pickleball, while Dave Meyer and the entire On the Market podcast panel join us today! In this show, we’re talking about the real estate deals getting done in 2024. Each expert brings in a deal they’ve recently done and showcases how they found it, what they bought it for, how much cash flow or profit they’re going to make, and advice to help YOU repeat these home-run real estate deals. First, Dave will share about a cash-flowing on-market rental property he bought (while abroad!) thanks to his inventor-friendly agent. Kathy Fettke gives tips on getting a low mortgage rate on your next new construction rental and how doing so could massively boost your cash flow. Henry Washington walks through a quick flip that will make him $55,000 on the low end and the ingenious way he found this deal. And finally, James Dainard talks about the almost unbelievably good development deal he’s doing in Seattle that will profit $500,000 (yes, that’s half a million!). In This Episode We Cover: How to score a mortgage rate in the four-percent range by buying new construction rentals The three big housing market challenges of 2024 and how investors can overcome them How to find cash-flowing, on-market rental properties by investing out-of-state  One of the smartest ways to find off-market real estate deals for flipping or holding  The one contract clause that is helping James make $500K+ on his new development deal  And So Much More! Links from the Show Find an Agent Find a Lender BiggerPockets Youtube Channel BiggerPockets Forums BiggerPockets Pro Membership BiggerPockets Bookstore BiggerPockets Bootcamps BiggerPockets Podcast BiggerPockets Merch Join BiggerPockets for FREE Learn About Real Estate, The Housing Market, and Money Management with The BiggerPockets Podcasts Get More Deals Done with The BiggerPockets Investing Tools Find a BiggerPockets Real Estate Meetup in Your Area Expand Your Investing Knowledge With the BiggerPockets Books Be a Guest on the BiggerPockets Podcast Ask David Your Real Estate Investing Question Dave's BiggerPockets Profile Dave's Instagram Henry's BiggerPockets Profile Henry's Instagram James' BiggerPockets Profile Kathy's BiggerPockets Profile BiggerPockets' Instagram On the “On the Market” Podcast Investing in Real Estate Out of State: What You Need To Know 4 Vital Points to Consider BEFORE Getting Into New Construction Flipping Houses: How to Get Started and Everything You Should Know What Exactly Is an Accessory Dwelling Unit (DADU/ADU) (00:00) Intro (01:19) Investing Challenges of 2024 (08:17) 1. Cash-Flowing On-Market Rental (14:41) 2. New Construction with a 4.75% Rate! (20:44) 3. $55K House Flip Profit! (26:11) 4. Making $500K with DADUs!   Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-947 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Why are rock stars turning to real estate side hustles to pay their bills? During the lockdowns, many musicians, gig workers, and creatives saw their income streams dwindle. There were no shows to play, no tours to attend, festivals were canceled, and human-to-human contact was limited as much as possible. As a result, famous musicians began to become real estate agents, mortgage brokers, investors, house hackers, and everything in between to pay their bills. And guess what—it worked!  Now, touring is back on, but those whose job is pursuing their passions still need extra income to take care of their bills during slow seasons or to build wealth. That’s where Juliet Lalouel from Heavy Realty comes in. Juliet is a Colorado and Hawaii-based investor and real estate agent who helps the music and creative communities find ways to fast-track their financial freedom to keep doing what they love. But her message doesn’t just apply to musicians. Anyone who loves what they do but wants more financial stability can take these lessons to heart. Today, we’re talking about how anyone from any background can use real estate to supplement their income, pay their bills, and help them build wealth. Juliet shares why you may make a great real estate investor/professional without even knowing it and the beginner investments that ANYONE can try to start building a strong financial fortress, even if you’re a real estate enthusiast by day and a rock star by night.  In This Episode We Cover Real estate side hustles that’ll help you make extra income no matter your experience  Why musicians and creatives make GREAT real estate investors  The best ways to start making money with real estate and how to find your perfect role Beginner investments for anyone to start building wealth today Financing your first investment property, even if you DON’T have a W2 Why real estate is the ultimate side income stream to support your dreams  And So Much More! (00:00) Intro (01:36) Anyone Can Invest  (05:07) Why Musicians Make Great Investors  (07:53) The Best Way to Get Started  (13:40) Beginner Investments  (17:57) Financing Your 1st Property  (20:52) Do Your Passion Full-Time  Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and  https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-946 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices