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Healthcare Isn't Ready for an AI Workforce Yet | Newsday with 229Project

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November 2, 2026: Bill Russell, Sarah Richardson, and Drex DeFord, back from regional roundtables in Kansas City and Los Angeles and an event in San Diego.

Most health systems are still at level two of Bill Russell's five levels of AI use: asking AI questions and handing it tasks through Copilot. Level three gives an agent a job that can run through the night. Level four is an AI workforce, and his own company is moving there now. He runs about a dozen bots, among them three for development and one that works as a CFO.

That workforce is arriving faster than the controls around it. Drex DeFord tells users not to hand their passwords to an agent and wants IT to make the right way the easy way. Epic now allows agents to use a computer, as Bill heard it recently, and Drex expects Epic's caution to show up in what an agent may write into the record. The harder health systems push into agents in 2027, the more the brakes matter.

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Key Points:

  • 0:00 Healthcare is only at AI level two

  • 0:19 Roundtables and AI resiliency

  • 4:14 Tegria

  • 4:37 Take, shape, make, and Copilot

  • 6:55 Censinet

  • 7:29 Five levels of AI use

  • 13:08 Rackspace

  • 13:55 Bots, passwords, and going offline

  • 21:35 The acquisition boom

  • 27:39 Epic agents and the brakes

  • 29:53 Who monitors AI after go-live

  • 38:28 The Larsen papers

  • 41:16 See you next week


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