
What if you had only 60 seconds to earn a stranger's trust? In this episode, my guest has faced that exact scenario with life or death stakes on the line. Clint Bruce has built trust in foreign countries, in combat missions, and in rooms full of people who did not speak his language and had no reason to believe him. And he did not do it slowly.
What Clint learned downrange has nothing to do with rank. It has everything to do with how fast you can earn someone's confidence when you don't have the luxury of time.
In this episode of Not Like Me, I sit down with Clint Bruce. Naval Academy grad. NFL linebacker. Then he walked away from football to become a Navy SEAL, ran counterterrorism deployments after 9/11, and brought every bit of it into the boardroom, founding TRG and Hold Fast to help veterans and elite athletes lead at the highest levels of business.
On paper, Clint and I have almost nothing in common. In person, he's one of the people I trust most in the world.
This conversation goes underneath the leadership advice you've already heard, into the parts most people skip because they're harder to talk about.
In this episode:
- Why Clint says the fastest way to lose someone's trust is to act like you have all the answers
- The "map" framework Clint uses to explain why the battlefield, the boardroom, and the breakfast table all require completely different leadership
- What ROPE (Return on Period of Effort) reveals about why so many high-performers struggle to adjust to corporate life
- The eighth-grade formula Clint still uses to make every major decision: Angles + Allies + Advantages = Achievements
- Why "differences make us durable," and what that actually looks like on a team that's built to win
- A real story about a coffee shop, a hug, and a room full of strangers who got the wrong idea
This episode is for any leader who has ever had to earn someone's trust fast, and wants to know how to do it without faking it.
📌 Mentioned in this episode:
The Ready4 Handout by Clint Bruce → https://stephaniechung.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Ready4-Handout-2026.pdf
Ally Leadership by Stephanie Chung → https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9ZRMMZH
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