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Travis Chappell joins DeAndre Woodson on the Double Down podcast for a conversation about reinventing yourself, taking calculated risks, and staying consistent long enough to see your efforts compound. Travis shares how he went from door-to-door sales to podcasting, navigated failed businesses and major pivots, and eventually decided to go all-in on podcast sponsorships. He also explains how he decides when it’s time to move on from something, why freedom and autonomy are worth more to him than maximizing income, and how nearly a decade of consistency has made podcasting the most successful thing he’s ever done. On this episode we talk about: Why Travis took a massive pay cut to leave door-to-door sales and pursue podcasting How failed businesses, COVID, and changing circumstances forced Travis to reinvent himself The decision to go all-in on podcast sponsorships instead of starting another business Why Travis uses the “deathbed frame” when making major life and business decisions How to recognize when it’s time to reinvent yourself versus simply pushing through a difficult season The danger of the sunk-cost fallacy and staying committed to something simply because you’ve invested years into it Why Travis values freedom and autonomy more than maximizing his income How connection became the central theme behind Build Your Network, Travis Makes Friends, and Dinner Party Why building meaningful relationships can have a greater impact on happiness than material success The role relentless action and consistency played in Travis’s nearly decade-long podcasting journey Why people overestimate what they can accomplish in a year but underestimate what they can accomplish in a decade How small wins compound when you stick with something long enough Why Travis believes podcasting remains an under-saturated opportunity despite what people say How being willing to play the long game can give you an advantage over competitors who quit Why Travis is willing to spend years building something even if it doesn’t become successful immediately Top 3 Takeaways 1. Know when to pivot—and know when to persevere.Reinvention isn't about quitting every time something gets difficult. Travis looks at whether he's experiencing temporary pain from an obstacle or whether he's facing a fundamental problem that continued effort isn't solving. 2. Consistency compounds.Travis has started and shut down numerous businesses, but podcasting is the one thing he has consistently done for nearly a decade. That consistency has ultimately made it his most successful endeavor. 3. Define success beyond money.Travis could potentially make more money by returning to sales, but he values freedom, autonomy, family time, and meaningful relationships more than maximizing his income. The right opportunity isn't always the one that pays the most. Notable Quotes “It’s just relentless action against a desired result, even in the face of obstacles.” “People tend to overestimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do in a decade.” “The only thing I’ve ever done consistently for a decade is the podcast, and it is, ironically, the most successful thing I’ve done.” “I’m okay with the trade-off of giving up money in exchange for a high volume of freedom and autonomy.” “Only good things can come from that, you know what I mean? Even if it’s not directly monetizable.” Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://instagram.com/travischappell Website: https://travischappell.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Fraser is America’s top psychic medium, a New York Times bestselling author, and star of the hit television series Meet the Frasiers. In this episode, Matt shares how he went from working as an EMT to building a career around his ability to connect with people and help them through loss. He explains why fear and self-doubt are often the biggest obstacles to making more money, how to identify your natural talents, and why taking small steps toward the things that fulfill you can open doors you never expected. On this episode we talk about: Matt’s first job at Abercrombie & Fitch and the lessons it taught him about earning money How Matt discovered and eventually embraced his abilities as a psychic medium Why fear, self-doubt, and a lack of confidence keep people from pursuing their talents How to get unstuck by changing your environment, making time for what fulfills you, and taking baby steps How to distinguish your genuine talents from expectations placed on you by family or society Why following your own path can lead to both greater success and fulfillment How Matt turned individual readings into live events, television, books, podcasts, and a full-time career Why focusing on helping people and enjoying the journey can be more valuable than obsessing over money How to recognize signs and synchronicities from loved ones who have passed away The importance of finding your tribe and surrounding yourself with people who encourage your growth Top 3 Takeaways Fear is often the biggest obstacle. You may already have the talent, idea, or ability you need, but self-doubt can prevent you from ever putting it into the world. Start with baby steps. You don't need to know exactly where your path will lead. Start talking about your idea, get feedback, and take small actions that move you forward. Follow what fulfills you. Develop your talents, help people, build something meaningful, and enjoy the journey. The money can follow when you're creating real value. Notable Quotes “The number one thing that stops people from making money is really that they're afraid.” “All it takes is one reason. One reason on why it will work for you, and you will get there.” “You can't be focused on, you know, making the money, making the money, making the money. You're gonna be focused on helping as many people as you can, enjoying what you're doing, building something great, and the money will come.” Connect with Matt Fraser: Website: meetmattfraser.com Instagram: @meetmattfraser Live Tour: Tour dates are available through Matt’s website A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joe Gatto is a comedian, writer, producer, and one of the stars of Impractical Jokers, the hit comedy series he helped create with his longtime friends. What started with four friends practicing improv in Joe's mom's basement eventually became a decade-long television phenomenon spanning more than 300 episodes. In this episode, Joe takes us behind the scenes of how the show came together, why the group's friendship was so important to its success, and how he developed his career as a creative force both in front of and behind the camera. He also opens up about balancing ambition with family and learning to be fully present for the people who matter most. On this episode we talk about: How Impractical Jokers began with four friends doing improv together in Joe's mom's basement Why the group spent nearly a decade developing their comedy before Impractical Jokers became a reality How studying great improvisers helped Joe and his friends develop their craft Why the Impractical Jokers format came from finding the group's own unique version of a prank show The importance of giving people the ability to say "no" and keeping comedy from crossing the line How the show's punishments, recurring jokes, and spontaneous moments were developed Joe's evolution from performer to writer, director, and producer Why starting small and continuing to create can eventually lead to something much bigger The challenge of balancing career ambition with being present for your children Why being mentally present can matter more than the amount of time you spend with your kids Top 3 Takeaways Great things can start incredibly small. Impractical Jokers began with four friends practicing improv in a basement simply because they enjoyed making each other laugh. Joe's story is a reminder that you don't need a massive platform or budget to start developing something worthwhile. Find your own version of what's already working. The group was initially asked to create a prank show, but instead of copying what was already popular, they asked what a prank show would look like if it played to their particular strengths. That unique perspective ultimately became the foundation of Impractical Jokers. Be present for the moments that matter. Joe emphasizes that there isn't necessarily a perfect "balance" between career and family. Instead, you have to be present wherever you are. Even five focused minutes of playing with your kids can create a meaningful memory when you're completely engaged rather than distracted by your phone or work. Notable Quotes "If you pay attention and treat them as professors—and you learn. It's like, you know, you study comedy." "You have to be where you are." "Because at the end of the day, we're nice guys, we're friends." A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Larry Weidel has spent more than 50 years studying, building, and coaching high achievers. A founding member of the organization that became Primerica, Larry helped build one of the industry's largest sales organizations, recruiting more than 24,000 people in just 39 months. Today, he is the bestselling author of Serial Winner: Five Actions to Create Your Cycle of Success, founder of Big Hitters International, and host of the Big Hitters podcast. In this episode, Larry shares the lessons he learned from building massive organizations, developing people, leveraging teams, and staying challenged well into his 70s. On this episode we talk about: How Larry made his first money at eight years old selling TV Guides The early experiences that shaped his drive for financial independence How building houses taught Larry project management, delegation, and how to get things done through other people Why choosing the right industry and market is critical to building a large business How Larry helped recruit more than 24,000 people in just 39 months Why allowing people to start part-time created a different recruiting model The power of friend-to-friend recruiting and having a product people genuinely need Why integrity and transparency are essential when building a sales organization How to manage your expectations and recognize your team's wins during periods of rapid growth Why staying challenged is essential to continued growth and avoiding complacency The difference between amateurs and professionals—and why dreams have to be funded Top 3 Takeaways Get into a market with unlimited potential. Larry believes part of his success came from being in an industry with a massive, continually renewing market. The right opportunity gives you room to grow rather than forcing you to fight for a shrinking piece of the pie. Build leverage through people and systems. Larry's experience building houses taught him how to manage projects, delegate, coordinate people, and get results through others. Those skills later became the foundation for recruiting, training, and scaling a massive organization. Stop being an amateur and develop valuable skills. Larry makes a distinction between knowing what to do and being able to do it at a consistently high level. If you want to fund your dreams, you need to develop skills that allow you to generate income above your basic survival needs. Notable Quotes "You never want to have good things happen that you don't notice because good things only happen because somebody makes an effort." "When you give yourself hard things to do... you get a chance to keep growing. And when you make things easy on yourself, you go soft." "Dreams have to be funded, folks. Somebody's got to put the money in to make those." Connect with Larry Weidel: LinkedIn: Larry Weidel on LinkedIn Instagram: Larry Weidel on Instagram Website: Larry Weidel's Website Other: Big Hitters Newsletter A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Van Vliet is a four-time Emmy Award-winning TV host, entertainment reporter, YouTuber, and the host of Insight with Chris Van Vliet, one of the most recognizable wrestling interview shows. Chris built a devoted audience by spotting an underserved niche in pro wrestling, bringing genuine fandom and sharp interviewing to conversations with major talent, and then turning years of behind-the-scenes work into a full-time media business. On this episode we talk about: How Chris went from red-carpet entertainment reporting to building a dedicated wrestling audience Identifying “white space” in a crowded market and choosing a niche worth owning Why content needs to deliver real value instead of being published simply for consistency The shift from traditional TV to YouTube, podcasting, and creator-led media businesses How a highly targeted audience can be more valuable to sponsors than a much larger broad audience The difference between YouTube AdSense revenue and direct podcast sponsorship sales Why creators should treat their show like a business, not an occasional hobby The long-term skill-building, consistency, and persistence required to make content work Why in-person interviews and going the extra mile helped Chris land standout conversations Top 3 Takeaways A well-defined niche can create more opportunity than chasing a broad audience. Chris built momentum by leaning into wrestling at a time when few interviewers had access to in-depth conversations with wrestlers, rather than trying to appeal equally to every entertainment audience Small, specific audiences can be exceptionally valuable to advertisers. A focused show can command meaningful sponsorship revenue when it reaches people who are genuinely invested in a high-intent category, even without massive download numbers. Consistency and commitment are non-negotiable. Publishing a couple of episodes and disappearing will not build an audience; creators need a dependable cadence and must be willing to develop interviewing, outreach, preparation, production, and business skills over time. Notable Quotes “If you treat podcasting like a hobby, it will be a hobby. Pays you like a hobby. If you treat podcasting like a business, it will start to pay you like a business.” “The best thing about podcasting is anybody can do it. The worst thing about podcasting is anybody can do it.” “You don’t have to go to the super broad audience and become the next Joe Rogan to be able to make enough money.” Connect with Travis: Instagram: https://instagram.com/travischappell Website: https://travischappell.com A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! - Go to Leesa.com for 30% OFF select mattresses (through September 13, 2026) PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code TMM, exclusive for my listeners Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Hardik Chodavadia—better known as Dr. C—is the co-founder and CFO of Enamel Dentistry, a growing network of comfort-first dental studios across Texas. A dentist, entrepreneur, and co-host of the Day Ones podcast, Dr. C shares how he and a college roommate went from fresh dental-school graduates with student loans and no patients to building a repeatable multi-location business. He also breaks down the financial lessons he has learned through expansion, calculated risk-taking, investing, and building wealth early. On this episode we talk about: How repairing and reselling Xbox consoles in high school sparked Dr. C’s first excitement around making money Why he moved from biomedical engineering and a potential medical-school path into dentistry The surprising financing decision that led Enamel Dentistry to launch its first practice from scratch instead of acquiring an established office The operational challenges of scaling beyond being great clinicians, including hiring, leadership, training, and documented systems How Enamel Dentistry evaluates new locations, uses real estate availability as a growth driver, and built a major head start in a high-growth Texas development The difference between investing in unfamiliar “home run” opportunities and reinvesting in a business you understand deeply Why young entrepreneurs should live below their means, save consistently, and use compound interest to create the security needed to take smart risks Top 3 Takeaways Being skilled at your craft is not the same as being skilled at business. Great patient care helped Enamel Dentistry earn trust, but long-term scale required Dr. C and his co-founder to develop leadership, hiring, training, financial, and systems-building capabilities. Focus capital where you have an edge. A high-upside investment outside Dr. C’s core expertise failed despite strong signals and experienced backers, while a carefully chosen dental-office location succeeded because the team understood the market, demand, and operating model. Build financial security before chasing bigger opportunities. Living beneath your means and investing early can create the stability entrepreneurs need to make clearer decisions, weather setbacks, and take risks without putting their entire future on the line. Notable Quotes “Don’t put too much into something because you just never know. Even if everything is written all that’s, like, guaranteed, nothing is guaranteed.” “When you have security, you just move differently.” “You’re doing really well and making money doing this one thing, so just do more of it.” Connect with Dr. Hardik Chodavadia: LinkedIn: Dr. Hardik Chodavadia Instagram: @drharcho Enamel Dentistry: enameldentistry.com Podcast: Day Ones Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Travis is an entrepreneur, podcast host, and media operator who built a profitable podcast business by treating every listener as valuable, listening closely to audience problems, and creating products that solved them. Rather than waiting for sponsorship revenue or chasing download numbers alone, Travis used free one-on-one calls to understand his audience, launched a mastermind based on their feedback, and eventually expanded into premium podcast coaching and other services. In this unique conversation were he trades places and sits in the guest chair, Travis shares his practical framework for monetizing a show from the ground up, why audience trust matters more than vanity metrics, and how creators can use consistency, experimentation, and continuous improvement to build a podcast that lasts. On this episode we talk about: Why “one is greater than zero” is the mindset creators need when building an audience from scratch Treating a small audience with the same care and quality you would give a large one How podcasts compete for attention with music, streaming platforms, social media, and every other form of entertainment Why sponsorships are not the only—or necessarily the best—way to monetize a podcast Using free audience calls as market research to identify the most valuable products and services to create The Ask Method: building an audience, asking what they need, and creating a solution around their real problems How Travis made his first sales before building a course or mastermind Why batching episodes protects your release schedule and helps creators avoid “podfade” The difference between being consistent and consistently improving Why long-form content, video podcasts, and YouTube can continue expanding the podcast opportunity Top 3 Takeaways Build for the audience you have, not the audience you wish you had. One engaged listener is more valuable than no listeners. If you create a great experience for the first few people who trust you with their attention, you create the foundation needed to reach thousands more. Monetize by solving verified problems. Do not start with a product you want to sell and force it onto an audience. Start with conversations, identify recurring challenges, and build the exact service, offer, community, or resource people are asking for. Consistency gets you in the game; improvement creates growth. Publishing on schedule matters, but it is not enough by itself. Improve your conversations, guest selection, format, audience feedback loops, distribution, and experiments with every new episode. Notable Quotes “If I have one person listening to my content, that is far better than zero people listening to my content.” “It’s the people who treat the audience of three like it’s a massive global audience that end up doing really well.” “Media is a product. The podcast is a product.” “You don’t have to be the expert to start a podcast about something. You just have to be curious about it.” “You build an audience and then you ask that audience what they want.” “Staying in the game is the metric that people need to optimize for.” “Consistency is the name of the game, but it’s also just the barrier to entry.” “It’s not just about releasing another episode next week. It’s about releasing another episode next week that’s a little bit better than the episode that you released this week.” Connect with Travis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: https://travischappell.com/ A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! - Go to Leesa.com for 30% OFF select mattresses (through September 13, 2026) PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code TMM, exclusive for my listeners Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sanaa Abourezk is a Syrian-born chef, cookbook author, and owner of Sanaa’s Gourmet Mediterranean in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. A 2023 James Beard Award finalist, Sanaa has spent more than two decades sharing the food and traditions of her Syrian heritage while championing healthy, plant-forward cooking. She has authored five cookbooks and built a thriving restaurant by staying true to her food, her values, and her community. In this episode, Sanaa shares the lessons she learned from surviving the early years of her restaurant, managing cash flow, retaining great employees, and deliberately choosing a business model that gives her both financial stability and a fulfilling life. On this episode we talk about: How Sanaa went from an agricultural engineering degree in Syria to becoming a chef and restaurant owner in South Dakota Why she refused to compromise her food by adding burgers, fries, or other items just because customers suggested them The importance of cash flow and why entrepreneurs should build more financial runway than they think they'll need How Sanaa managed every aspect of her business in the early days, from cooking and accounting to cleaning floors Why treating employees well and making them feel valued can dramatically improve retention and customer experience How she self-published cookbooks when traditional publishers told her there wasn't a market for her ideas Why Sanaa has intentionally chosen not to franchise or open additional restaurants How to design your business around the lifestyle you actually want Top 3 Takeaways Cash flow can make or break a business. Revenue and profitability aren't enough if you don't have enough cash to cover payroll, rent, insurance, supplies, and unexpected disruptions. Build enough runway to survive the slow periods before assuming your business will become cash-flow positive. Don't compromise what makes you different. Sanaa was repeatedly told to add familiar American foods to her menu, but she stayed committed to her Mediterranean concept. That consistency helped her build a loyal customer base that valued what she uniquely offered. Success doesn't have to mean constant expansion. Sanaa could have opened additional locations or franchised her restaurant, but she chose to build a profitable business that gives her employees stability, allows her to take vacations, and lets her continue doing what she loves. The best business model is the one that supports the life you want. Notable Quotes "If you think your business needs two hundred thousand dollars to build, you ask for four hundred thousand." "If you believe in something, you just stick with it." "I would never serve something I don't eat. Period. That's it." Connect with Sanaa Abourezk: Instagram: @SanaaCooks27 Cookbooks: Sanaa's five published cookbooks A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! - Go to Leesa.com for 30% OFF select mattresses (through September 13, 2026) PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code TMM, exclusive for my listeners Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special episode, Travis is in the guest seat for another show, where he challenges conventional expectations. After stepping away from the belief system and environment he grew up in, Travis learned to tolerate disapproval, think independently, and create a life aligned with his own values—not other people’s expectations. He also shares the practical origins of his podcasting career: starting with no meaningful network, learning from established podcasters, investing in mentorship and small-group events, and using a podcast as a powerful reason to connect with people he otherwise would not have had access to. Along the way, those relationships helped create opportunities to interview leaders including Shaquille O’Neal, Rob Dyrdek, Dean Graziosi, Ed Mylett, Alex Banayan, and more. On this episode we talk about: Why living in alignment with what is true for you can require accepting other people’s disapproval Learning to think independently instead of following inherited expectations, beliefs, or definitions of success Finding the “third option” beyond the false choice between following a prescribed path or destroying your life How curiosity can expose gaps in an inherited worldview and lead to meaningful personal growth Why a podcast is one of the most effective tools for building relationship capital from scratch Choosing a specific industry to become connected in before attempting to build a broad network Using mentors, paid masterminds, and intimate events to build relationships with key people in your field The difference between paying for information and investing in proximity, access, and long-term relationships Top 3 Takeaways You do not need everyone’s approval to build a fulfilling life. Doing what is true for you may disappoint people who are attached to an older version of you, but trying to live according to everyone else’s expectations can eventually create resentment, anger, and disconnection from yourself. Build a network around a clear direction. Start by identifying the industry or community in which you want to be known. One meaningful relationship with a well-connected person can create introductions and opportunities that make future connections significantly easier. Use a podcast to create legitimate access. You do not have to be the leading expert to host a valuable show. Be genuinely curious, invite people to share what they know, apply what you learn, and let the conversations help you—and your audience—move toward the destination together. Notable Quotes “Doing and honoring what’s true for you is an act of rebellion in a world that tells you to be like everybody else.” “You have to be okay with people’s disapproval if you want to do anything big.” “You have to give up the need to be liked by everybody so that you can be loved by the people who really do know you.” “Don’t make the mistake of thinking that the only way to be happy or the only way to find fulfillment is this one path.” “You don’t have to be the expert to start a podcast about something. You just have to be curious about it.” “My number one networking tip is: start a freaking podcast.” “The relationship with him was more important than the information that he could give me.” Connect with Travis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travischappell/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travischappell/ Other: https://travischappell.com/ A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! - Go to Leesa.com for 30% OFF select mattresses (through September 13, 2026) PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code TMM, exclusive for my listeners Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trixy Castro is a first-generation Latina entrepreneur, investor, and strategic advisor who built Genesis Capital and Genesis Auctions from the ground up before selling both companies to Fortune 500 firms Goldman Sachs and Fidelity National Title within nine months of each other. She has facilitated more than $20 billion in real estate transactions across debt and equity and continues to invest in real estate, fintech, AI, and sustainability. In this episode, Trixy shares how she went from tutoring elementary school students as a teenager to building billion-dollar businesses—and why focusing on the resources you already have can be the key to creating opportunities. On this episode we talk about: How Trixy started her first business at 14 with nothing more than time, creativity, and a stack of homemade business cards Why you should focus on the resources you have instead of getting stuck on what you lack How Trixy taught herself the real estate lending business while working at Wells Fargo and living in a college dorm The importance of understanding your customers' businesses and solving problems they may not even realize they have How listening to clients led Trixy to create Genesis Auctions and bridge the gap between banks with distressed assets and investors looking to buy them Why staying committed to your mission and vision can help you push through rejection and long sales cycles How Trixy's experiences with failure ultimately led to Success Unlocked, a free community designed to help entrepreneurs learn, grow, and build businesses Top 3 Takeaways Work with what you have. You don't need capital, connections, or expertise to get started. Your time, curiosity, willingness to learn, and ability to solve problems can be valuable resources—and they can help you earn your way into bigger opportunities. Understand the entire problem, not just your customer's request. Trixy built her businesses by getting deeply involved in her clients' operations and understanding where they were struggling. When you understand the challenges on both sides of a transaction, you can find opportunities to become the bridge. Keep your eyes on the North Star. Sales will fall through, prospects will say no, and progress will sometimes feel painfully slow. Having a clear mission and vision allows you to treat those setbacks as part of the process instead of evidence that your idea won't work. Notable Quotes "You can't get stuck with what you don't have." "When you help people make more money, they're like, 'Yeah, sure, come on over.'" "I learned more through failing than through winning." Connect with Trixy Castro: Social Media: Trixy Castro (@TrixyCastro) Website: SuccessUnlocked.com Community: Success Unlocked A Word from Our Sponsors: - The most successful business owners don't do it all themselves — they delegate. Upwork lets you build a team of highly skilled specialists for every function your business needs, so you can focus on what you do best and let experts handle the rest. Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free! - Go to Leesa.com for 30% OFF select mattresses (through September 13, 2026) PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code TMM, exclusive for my listeners Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices