MVP: HERO OR HYPOCRITE? or THE PLIGHT OF WRESTLERS AGING OUT (Wrestling Soup 10.23.25)

01:47 – 03:39 | Ticket Prices, TKO Era, and Hidden FeesAnthony breaks down the dramatic rise in wrestling ticket prices since the TKO era, including the impact of fees and taxes, and how attending live events has become more expensive.03:39 – 06:00 | The Cost of Entertainment & International ComparisonsJoe and Anthony share stories about the rising costs of entertainment, including ATM fees in the US and abroad, and how price gouging is everywhere.06:00 – 10:39 | Toy Collecting, Wrestling Figures, and AEW MerchAnthony recounts stories about rare wrestling toys, the decline in value of AEW merchandise, and the changing landscape of collectibles. The hosts discuss the local comic shop scene and the fate of AEW action figures.10:39 – 13:36 | MVP’s Critique of Wrestling JournalismAnthony plays a clip of MVP criticizing wrestling journalism, star ratings, and the disconnect between wrestlers and the media. The hosts analyze MVP’s points and the ongoing debate about wrestling coverage.13:36 – 22:00 | AEW’s Young Talent, Veteran Advice, and Industry FrustrationsA deep dive into the challenges of getting younger wrestlers to heed veteran advice, the career prospects of AEW stars, and the realities of aging in the business. The hosts debate whether it’s worth trying to change the culture.22:00 – 25:00 | Billy Gunn, Longevity, and the Next GenerationAnthony and Joe discuss Billy Gunn’s career after 60, his approach to wrestling, and the prospects for his sons in WWE.25:00 – 28:00 | Andrade, Non-Competes, and Wrestling ContractsThe conversation shifts to Andrade’s career moves, the complexities of non-compete clauses, and the peculiarities of wrestling contracts.28:00 – 32:00 | Vince Russo, NWA, and Wrestling’s Old GuardA humorous look at Vince Russo’s potential influence on NWA, the tropes he might bring, and the generational divide in wrestling creative.32:00 – 36:00 | Goldberg’s Streak, Legacy, and RetirementAnthony and Joe analyze Goldberg’s recent interview, his obsession with his win streak, and the broader implications for wrestling legacies.36:00 – 39:00 | Nakamura’s Ambitions, Foreign Heels, and WWE StorylinesDiscussion of Shinsuke Nakamura’s goal to become WWE champion, the “foreign heel” trope, and how classic wrestling storylines could be updated for today.39:00 – End (~1:05:17) | Closing Thoughts, Shoutouts, and Sign-OffBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

Join LuFisto, Jeff Lippman, and Dr. Gina Possin for a full breakdown of LFG: every contestant, every coach, and a psychological look at the season!Timestamps:00:00 - Intro & Theme00:09 - Meet the Hosts & Special Guest01:41 - Dr. Gina Possin’s Background03:19 - What is IO Psychology?03:59 - Applying Psychology to Wrestling04:11 - Why Dr. Gina is Qualified04:59 - Wrestling as a Workplace08:25 - Bubba Ray Dudley: Coaching Style10:49 - Bubba’s Relationships with Contestants14:49 - Zena’s Journey & Leadership Fit21:56 - Ace Jameson’s Growth22:34 - Bubba’s Coaching Outcomes32:55 - Booker T: Dramatic Teaching & Tactics35:19 - Booker’s Team: Harlem, Chris Island, Tiana Duma57:40 - Serena’s Progress & Personality60:04 - Michelle McCool: Transformational Leadership65:24 - Michelle’s Team: Trill, Summer, Panina, Anthony Luke78:17 - Undertaker: Old School Meets New School88:27 - Drake Moreau’s Growth89:57 - Shiloh & Finals Analysis97:46 - Bailey Humphreys: Confidence & Sensitivity99:57 - Danny: Attitude, Character, and Winning102:24 - Sean’s Decisions & Contestant Reactions108:08 - Recovering from Loss & Career Advice110:50 - BJ Ray: Attitude, Self-Sabotage, and Manager Potential116:55 - Emotional Regulation in Wrestling120:41 - Coaches, Criticism, and Modern Athlete Mindset123:18 - Parenting, Entitlement, and Social Trends125:25 - Hosts’ Self-Analysis & Show Wrap-Up127:41 - Where to Follow the Hosts132:29 - Final Thoughts & OutroBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

Join Anthony and Joe as they dive into the latest in wrestling, from WWE and AEW drama to in-depth match analysis, character arcs, and the wild world of wrestling personalities. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and check out our Patreon for exclusive content!Timestamps:00:00 - Weekend Wrestling Recap: WWE in Japan & AEW’s Big Event09:45 - AEW’s Late-Night Antics & Family Friendly Drowning?18:00 - Warner Brothers Sale Rumors & AEW’s Ongoing Issues43:00 - Darby Allin’s Recklessness and Character Analysis54:35 - WWE Raw Review: Character Work & Maxine’s Standout Performance01:05:00 - Becky Lynch, Paul Heyman, and the Power Dynamic01:10:00 - Tag Team Championship: AJ Styles & Dragon Lee vs. Judgment Day01:13:00 - Women’s Division, Kabuki Warriors, and Show Wrap-UpBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

00:20 – Andrade Watch 2025Speculation runs wild about Andrade’s absence from TV, with plenty of jokes and theories about his whereabouts and contract status.02:17 – Show Intro & Brian Alvarez DrivelAnthony officially introduces the show and shares updates from Brian Alvarez on Andrade’s situation.02:47 – Andrade WWE Non-Compete ClauseThe hosts dig into the details of WWE’s non-compete clauses, what they mean for Andrade, and how they affect wrestlers’ careers.04:04 – Wrestling News as Sports RadioA humorous comparison of wrestling news coverage to bad sports talk radio, poking fun at the rumor mill.12:30 – Unpaid Year Off?Anthony and Joe debate the fairness and legality of unpaid non-compete periods for released wrestlers.20:00 – WWE’s Global ExpansionThe conversation turns to WWE’s decision to host WrestleMania in Saudi Arabia, fan reactions, and the business behind global events.29:20 – AEW’s Training Center PlansA look at AEW’s scrapped plans for a dedicated training facility and what it means for talent development.41:20 – Seth Rollins Injury RumorsThe hosts address rumors about Seth Rollins’ injury, storyline pivots, and the blurred lines between fiction and reality in wrestling.58:30 – Media Store NostalgiaA nostalgic detour into the decline of music and media stores like Best Buy and FYE, and how the industry has changed.1:18:00 – Jericho’s Rock ‘N’ Wrestling Rager at SeaA rundown of the 2026 cruise lineup, notable guests, and what it says about the current state of wrestling.1:27:20 – Wrap-Up & ShoutoutsThe episode closes with shoutouts to listeners, Patreon supporters, and final thoughts on the week in wrestling.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

0:00 – Introduction & Season RecapLuFisto opens the show, referencing the LFG finals and the end of season two.Jeff reveals that LFT season three has been renewed and discusses recent roster changes, including surprise releases.1:51 – Commercials & International BroadcastsDiscussion about WWE commercials, international viewing experiences, and background appearances by wrestlers.3:43 – Surprising Releases & Character AnalysisThe hosts analyze the release of Hayes Jameson and speculate on possible reasons (injury, personal choice, or character fit).They discuss the evolution of certain characters and the importance of unique personas in wrestling.7:16 – Men’s Finalist Rematch: Harlem Lewis vs. Drake MorrowDetailed breakdown of the rematch, including in-ring psychology, character work, and match flow.Commentary on wrestling techniques, storytelling, and the importance of intensity in high-stakes matches.19:17 – Post-Match Reflections & Character FuturesReflections on the match outcome, Shawn Michaels’ decision-making, and the future potential of both finalists.Discussion of how certain wrestlers fit into the current NXT landscape.24:00 – Shiloh Hill’s Presence & StorytellingAnalysis of Shiloh Hill’s character, his on-screen demeanor, and the importance of subtle storytelling in wrestling.26:30 – Reality of Wrestling SegmentBooker T’s segment with Harlem Lewis, emphasizing the importance of “checks and championships.”The hosts discuss the significance of wrestling culture and personal motivation.32:47 – Women’s Final: Danni  vs. P NastyIn-depth play-by-play of the women’s final, including entrances, match psychology, and key spots.Critique of match pacing, character work, and crowd engagement.46:00 – Match Analysis & Judges’ ReactionsThe hosts and coaches reflect on the strengths and weaknesses of the women’s match.Discussion of what makes a compelling wrestling character and the importance of presence and consistency.54:00 – Shiloh vs. Harlem: The Men’s FinalBreakdown of the men’s final, including entrances, crowd reactions, and in-ring storytelling.Commentary on the abrupt finish and what could have made the match more satisfying.1:10:00 – Judges’ Deliberation & Final DecisionsCoaches and Shawn Michaels deliberate on the winners, discussing criteria for selection and the unique qualities of each finalist.The hosts debate the logic behind the final choices and the importance of explaining decisions to the audience.1:20:00 – Reflections on the Show’s Format & SuggestionsSuggestions for improving the judging system, including the idea of rotating judges and more transparency in scoring.Discussion of the value of diversity and representation in wrestling.1:30:00 – Closing Thoughts & Future PlansThe hosts promote upcoming content, including a retrospective episode with Dr. Gina Posan.Final thoughts on the season, shoutouts to the wrestling community, and recommendations for the documentary “Lunatic: The Luna Vachon Story.”Social media plugs and encouragement for listener feedback.1:36:00 – OutroLuFisto and Jeff sign off, teasing one more show and thanking listeners for their support.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

[00:00] Saturday Morning Wrestling & Childhood ThrowbacksJoe and Anthony kick things off talking about the weirdness (and secret perks) of watching wrestling at 8am. It’s like being a kid again, but with more coffee and less cereal.[04:00] Perth Crowd, Ticket Prices, and “Is Perth Even a Real Place?”The guys riff on WWE’s big show in Perth, the wild ticket prices, and whether anyone actually talks about Perth outside of wrestling. Spoiler: not really.[10:00] RAW vs. Crown Jewel & Seth’s “Is He Hurt or Not?” SagaThey get into the never-ending Seth Rollins injury drama, why nobody believes anything anymore, and how WWE storylines sometimes make less sense than a fever dream.[18:00] LA Knight: The Best-Looking Guy Who Can’t Catch a BreakLA Knight’s booking gets roasted. Is he an underdog? Is he a cocky heel? Why does he keep tripping over his own feet? The guys have thoughts (and jokes).[25:00] Becky Lynch, Factions, and “What Even Is This Storyline?”Becky’s name comes up, but so does the fact that half the storylines just got nuked. Expect some classic “what are they even doing?” rants.[32:00] Bailey, Lyra, and the Women’s Division: Chaos & ChemistryBailey’s new vibe, Lyra’s straight-man energy, and why the women’s division is a wild ride right now. Also, a surprising amount of talk about wrestling gear.[40:00] Referees, Announcers, and “Back in My Day…”A trip down memory lane: when refs and announcers had actual personalities, and why today’s shows could use a little more flavor (and a little less sameness).[48:00] Dominic Mysterio vs. Penta: Cheating Done RightDominic’s heel antics get a breakdown, plus a debate on whether being “too smart” is a good thing for a bad guy. Also, some love for old-school Eddie Guerrero tricks.[56:00] Rhea Ripley, Asuka, and “Why Is This So Complicated?”Rhea, Asuka, Kairi Sane, and a whole lot of chaos in the women’s title scene. The guys try to make sense of it all (and mostly just laugh about it).[1:03:00] Bronson Reed, Jimmy & Jay Uso, and Tag Team TangentsBronson Reed’s gear, Jimmy vs. Jay, and why some tag teams just feel like reheated pizza. Expect some sidebars and a few “what are they wearing?” moments.[1:10:00] Main Event: Jay Uso, LA Knight, and CM PunkThe crowd sings for Punk, LA Knight almost wins, and the guys wonder if we really need another Seth vs. Punk feud. Also: more jokes about fruit punch boxes.[1:18:00] Wrap-Up & RandomnessFinal thoughts, a few more rants, and a reminder to check out the Patreon. If you made it this far, you’re a real one.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

0:25 — Official show intro: "Wrestling Soup" with Anthony Thomas and Joey Numbers.0:50 — Banter about the "Crown Jewel Post Show" and some lighthearted police siren jokes.Roman Reigns & Bronson Reed Match1:30 — Discussion about the opening match: Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed.3:20 — Anthony and Joe debate the match’s pacing, outcome, and the ongoing Bloodline storyline.7:00 — Reflections on the "Australian Street Fight" and how it compares to other street fights.10:00 — Commentary on the house show feel of the event and the crowd’s reaction.Women’s Crown Jewel Championship14:50 — Transition to the women’s match: Tiffany Stratton vs. Stephanie.15:50 — Analysis of the match, both hosts noting Tiffany’s regression and Stephanie’s role as the aggressor.18:00 — Discussion about Triple H’s involvement and the awkwardness of the post-match celebration.Audience & WWE Creative20:00 — Commentary on WWE’s creative direction, Triple H’s TED talk, and the challenges of keeping the product fresh.22:00 — Banter about Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, and the need for stronger storylines and character development.John Cena vs. AJ Styles27:00 — Recap of the John Cena vs. AJ Styles match, comparing it to a "greatest hits" performance.30:00 — Reflections on the significance of AJ Styles’ and John Cena’s careers, especially for Australian fans.33:00 — Discussion of the match’s many finishers and the crowd’s reaction.Women’s Tag Team Match38:00 — Analysis of the women’s tag match: EO Sky & Rhea Ripley vs. Asuka & Kairi Sane.41:00 — Thoughts on the end of the Kabuki Warriors feud and the future direction for the women’s division.Main Event: Seth Rollins vs. Cody Rhodes44:50 — Main event discussion: Seth Rollins vs. Cody Rhodes.47:00 — Critique of the match’s length, pacing, and outcome, with both hosts feeling the wrong person won.50:00 — Reflections on the lack of crowd energy and the need for Becky Lynch at ringside.Closing Thoughts55:00 — Final thoughts on the event, best and worst matches, and the overall direction of WWE.58:20 — Outro: Thanks to listeners, Patreon plug, and sign-off.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

00:00 – AEW Attendance Controversy & Ticket NumbersAnthony and Joe open with a deep dive into AEW’s reported attendance numbers, NDAs, and the ongoing debate about truth in wrestling promotion.07:30 – The Ratings Game: NXT vs. DynamiteDiscussion shifts to TV ratings, fan excuses, and the real audience size for wrestling shows.13:00 – AEW’s Place in the IndustryA critical look at AEW’s current status, company culture, and how it compares to WWE and TNA.16:30 – Crown Jewel Preview & Early Morning WrestlingThe hosts preview WWE’s Crown Jewel event, discuss the challenges of international shows, and share thoughts on watching wrestling at odd hours.21:00 – Match-by-Match Crown Jewel PredictionsDetailed breakdowns and predictions for Roman Reigns vs. Bronson Reed, Rhea Ripley & IYO SKY vs. Asuka & Kairi Sane, and more.32:00 – Women’s Division: Growth, Stagnation, and StorylinesA candid discussion about the women’s division, character development, and the challenges facing stars like Tiffany Stratton and Charlotte Flair.45:00 – WWE Ticket Prices & The “Family Company” DebateAnthony and Joe debate WWE’s claim of being family-friendly in light of rising ticket and merchandise prices.54:00 – Mental Health in Wrestling: Big E’s StoryA heartfelt segment on Big E’s mental health journey, therapy, and the importance of openness in the wrestling community.1:05:00 – Contract News & Industry MovesUpdates on recent contract renewals, departures, and the realities of career moves in wrestling.1:15:00 – Final Thoughts & What’s NextThe hosts wrap up with shoutouts, upcoming show plugs, and a reminder to join them for more wrestling talk.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

00:00 – Kevin Nash & Wrestling RoyaltiesAnthony and Joe open with a discussion about Kevin Nash’s royalty check woes, the business of wrestling merchandise, and how the TKO sale has impacted payouts for legends and stockholders.03:30 – WWE’s Changing Audience & Business ModelThe conversation shifts to WWE’s evolving business strategy: higher ticket prices, catering to wealthier audiences, and speculation about a possible Saudi buyout.10:00 – Nick Khan, TKO Era, and Corporate TakeoverThe hosts analyze Nick Khan’s influence, the TKO era, and whether WWE’s leadership is being overrun by corporate greed.16:00 – The Future of WWE & Wrestling’s Investment ValueDebate about WWE as a long-term investment, the fate of the company under TKO, and the difference between past and present wrestling ownership.22:00 – Monday Night Raw Recap & Production CritiqueAnthony and Joe break down the latest Raw, including match pacing, production quirks, and the “Australian Street Fight” promo.30:00 – Women’s Division: Kairi Sane, Asuka, and BayleyA deep dive into the women’s division: Kairi Sane’s reputation for injuring opponents, Asuka’s standout performance, and Bayley’s current character direction.40:00 – Main Event: CM Punk & LA Knight vs. The UsosRecap and analysis of the main event, including the chemistry between Punk and LA Knight, and thoughts on the show’s overall flow.47:00 – Closing Banter & Upcoming ContentThe hosts discuss wrestling merch oddities (body pillows, towels), upcoming shows, and shoutouts to friends and other podcasts.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.

00:00 – 02:15 | Opening Banter & The Saudi TakeoverAnthony and Joe open the show discussing Saudi Arabia’s growing influence in sports and entertainment, poking fun at recent high-profile purchases and the ethics of “selling out.”02:15 – 03:45 | Call-In Chaos & The Return of the Soup HotlineReminiscing about the old call-in number, random callers, and plans to bring back live audience interaction.03:45 – 06:00 | Comedy, Contracts, and the Price of FameA sharp, funny discussion about comedians like Bill Burr and Kevin Hart taking big-money Saudi gigs, and the moral gymnastics of the entertainment industry.06:00 – 08:55 | Bill Burr, Anthony Cumia, and the Ethics of FriendshipA deep dive into the Bill Burr/Anthony Cumia drama, cancel culture, and the shifting lines of loyalty and morality in comedy and wrestling.08:55 – 15:00 | John Cena’s Retirement: Hype, Ticket Prices, and WWE’s StrategyBreaking down the upcoming John Cena retirement event, wild ticket prices, and WWE’s marketing moves. Includes a hilarious riff on what $11,500 gets you at a wrestling show.15:00 – 22:00 | Dave & Buster’s, Human Crane Games, and Arcade HustlesAnthony shares a story about dominating arcade games, winning prizes, and the weird world of human crane machines.22:00 – 27:00 | TNA, Kurt Angle, and Wrestling’s Wildest YearsA nostalgic and irreverent look at TNA’s “Beautiful People” era, Kurt Angle’s drug-fueled run, and the tragic history of wrestling’s biggest stars.27:00 – 33:00 | Generational Grief, Social Media, and Wrestling TragediesReflecting on how wrestling fans process loss, the impact of social media, and the generational divide in mourning wrestling legends.33:00 – 40:00 | Andrade’s Return, Rumors, and Wrestling’s Drug CultureA candid discussion about Andrade’s WWE release, wellness policy violations, and the ongoing issues of drugs in wrestling.40:00 – 50:00 | WWE’s Global Expansion, Crown Jewel, and Branding OdditiesRiffing on WWE’s international branding, the oddity of “Crown Jewel” in Australia, and the future of global wrestling events.50:00 – 1:10:00 | Reality TV, Coaching Drama, and the Next GenerationA lively debate about WWE’s reality shows, coaching changes, and which legends should be mentoring the next crop of wrestling talent.1:10:00 – 1:30:00 | Lacey Evans, Copyright Crusades, and Wrestling’s Internet AgeWrapping up with a wild segment on Lacey Evans’ DMCA takedowns, the challenges of erasing your past online, and the absurdity of wrestling’s digital drama.1:30:00 – End | Listener Shoutouts & PlugsListener shoutouts, plugs for Frank & Gus, and a reminder to check out Spitball Media and the Wrestling Soup Patreon!—Want more? Follow us on Twitter, YouTube, and join the Patreon for bonus content and live shows!Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wrestling-soup--1425249/support.