257. TNE RESPONDS: Alisa Still Doesn't Understand Deconstruction

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Watch the Full Interview Here Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Get Tickets to Theology Beer Camp (Promo Code: TNEHOBBIT)) Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this episode of the New Evangelicals Podcast, Tim and April are joined by Sue Wright, a retired school teacher, to discuss various topics in the Christian culture. They touch on Sue's lack of religious trauma, the concept of the rapture, and their plans for Memorial Day weekend. They also discuss the controversy surrounding a speech by Harrison Butker and the lack of charity in the response to it. The hosts then share their thoughts on an upcoming video series featuring Paul and Morgan, a conservative Christian couple, spending 24 hours with people who have different beliefs. In this part of the conversation, Tim and April discuss their plans to watch a video response to Tim's deconstruction journey on YouTube. They also talk about the process of filming the video and the different locations they visited. They then shift the conversation to the topic of Greg Locke, a controversial pastor who has been declared an apostle by his wife and other pastors. They discuss Locke's extreme views and the dangers of Christian nationalism. They also touch on the hypocrisy of politicians like Mike Johnson, who claim to be moral and religious but defend immoral actions. The conversation ends with a discussion about men showing emotions and Matt Walsh's tweet about men crying. Takeaways Sue's lack of religious trauma provides a unique perspective in the conversation The hosts discuss the controversy surrounding a speech by Harrison Butker and the lack of charity in the response to it An upcoming video series featuring Paul and Morgan spending 24 hours with people who have different beliefs sparks interest and curiosity Tim and April plan to watch a video response to Tim's deconstruction journey on YouTube. They discuss the process of filming the video and the different locations they visited. They highlight the extreme views of Greg Locke, a controversial pastor who has been declared an apostle. They discuss the dangers of Christian nationalism and the hypocrisy of politicians like Mike Johnson. They talk about the importance of men being able to show emotions and criticize Matt Walsh's tweet on the topic. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 02:05 Sue's Unique Perspective 03:03 Controversy and Lack of Charity in the Response to Harrison Butker's Speech 14:18 Upcoming Video Series by Paul and Morgan Sparks Interest and Curiosity 38:05 Filming the Video 39:36 Greg Locke: Controversial Pastor 43:58 Debating a Flat Earther 45:25 Greg Locke Declared an Apostle 48:54 Men Showing Emotions 57:04 The Hypocrisy of Politicians 01:00:49 Matt Walsh's Tweet Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Get Tickets to Theology Beer Camp (Promo Code: TNEHOBBIT)) Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tim responds to Rich and Dawnchere Wilkerson telling their congregation not to seek therapy that isn't founded in the Bible Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Get Tickets to Theology Beer Camp (Promo Code: TNEHOBBIT)) Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary John Pavlovitz, author of the book, Worth Fighting For: Finding a Faith That Makes a Better Human, discusses his journey from being a conservative evangelical pastor to a more progressive Christian ethos. Tim and John discuss the tensions between personal convictions and pastoral expectations, the challenges of navigating relationships within the church, and the importance of humanizing people in the midst of political differences. Takeaways Many people within conservative evangelical communities feel torn between their convictions and the community they love, making it difficult to navigate their beliefs and relationships. It is important to humanize people and remember that individuals within the Christian nationalist movement are not a monolith. There is diversity of thought and experience within these communities. Dehumanization is a dangerous path that can lead to violence, and it is crucial to maintain empathy and respect for others, even in the midst of political differences. Authentic dialogue, empathy, and compassion are essential in bridging the divide and fostering understanding between different theological and political perspectives.  Navigating relationships with people who hold different beliefs requires curiosity, understanding, and respect for their journey. Being a progressive Christian involves the challenge of maintaining relationships while advocating for systemic change. Unity, empathy, and humanizing the conversation are essential for moving forward and creating a more inclusive society. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 06:15 Humanizing People in the Midst of Political Differences 27:34 Navigating Relationships with Different Beliefs Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Get Tickets to Theology Beer Camp Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim and April discuss various topics, including their preferences for living in different states, Tim's love for New Jersey, and April's love for Mexican food. They also touch on the concept of a daily live show, a prayer for lactose intolerance, and a prophecy update regarding the rapture. They discuss the ongoing investigation into the death of Micah Miller and the controversy surrounding Lake Point Church's attempt to skew a traffic study. In this conversation, Tim and April discuss a controversial commencement speech given by Harrison Butker, the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs. They analyze Butker's comments about women and their roles in society, as well as his views on Catholicism and Christian nationalism. The hosts critique the speech and highlight the harmful and patriarchal messages it conveys. They also address the hypocrisy of Christian nationalists who claim to be persecuted while advocating for discrimination against marginalized groups. The conversation touches on the broader themes of feminism, cancel culture, and the role of men in society. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:22 Living in Different States: Tim's Love for New Jersey 07:03 The Idea of a Daily Live Show 10:21 Prophecy Update: The Rapture 42:20 Introduction: Harrison Butker's Controversial Speech 45:07 Butker's Views on Cultural Values and Media 47:05 Butker's Critique of Catholicism and Pro-Choice Catholics 51:53 The Role of Women in Butker's Speech 55:41 The Importance of Marriage and Motherhood in Butker's Speech 01:09:25 Absentee Fathers and Violence Rates 01:14:06 Reaction to Butker's Speech: Twitter Responses Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this episode, Tim responds to a video by Alisa Childers, a prominent figure in the apologetics space. Tim addresses the claim that the deconstruction movement exists only because of social media and argues that deconstruction is not a unified movement but rather an explosion of individuals with different perspectives. He also challenges the idea that words have objective meaning and explores different interpretations of the Bible. Tim concludes by discussing the concept of truth and the limitations of proving historical events like the resurrection of Jesus. Takeaways Deconstruction is not a unified movement but an explosion with a diverse individuals with different perspectives. Social media has played a significant role in the deconstruction movement by providing a platform for people to share their experiences and access alternative perspectives. Christianity has different metanarratives depending on the particular stream of Christian thought. The concept of truth in Christianity is complex, and the ability to prove historical events like the resurrection is limited. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Conversation and Background on Alisa Childers 02:04 Deconstruction as an Explosion, Not a Unified Movement 05:12 The Influence of Social Media on the Deconstruction Movement 08:37 The Challenge of Objective Meaning in Words 13:02 The Diversity of Interpretations in the Bible 16:32 Different Metanarratives in Christianity Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary Ryan George grew up in the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) church and experienced both abuse and healing within the church. He shares his story of growing up in a conservative and abusive environment, where rules and regulations were enforced to an extreme degree. Ryan's father, a pastor in the IFB network, was later exposed as a serial sexual predator. Ryan reflects on the spiritual and physical abuse he endured, as well as the ways in which the IFB culture justified and perpetuated this abuse. It was through therapy, healthy relationships, and experiencing true love and community that Ryan began to recognize the abuse he had endured and find healing. Ryan George shares his journey of healing and redemption after experiencing spiritual abuse and the harm caused by his father. Despite the pain and trauma, Ryan found healing in the church through authentic relationships and a personal connection with God. He emphasizes the importance of finding safe spaces and supportive communities where individuals can share their hurts and doubts. Ryan's story highlights the power of redefining one's understanding of God and finding healing in unexpected places. Takeaways The IFB culture enforced extreme rules and regulations, leading to spiritual and physical abuse. Through therapy, healthy relationships, and experiencing true love and community, Ryan began to recognize the abuse he had endured and find healing.  Authentic relationships and supportive communities in the church can play a crucial role in the healing process. Redefining one's understanding of God and finding a personal connection can lead to healing and transformation. Safe spaces where individuals can share their hurts and doubts are essential for healing and growth. Chapters 00:00 Introduction: Hurt and Healed by the Church 07:37 The Dark Side of the IFB: Serial Sexual Predators 26:59 Introduction and Background 37:07 Navigating the Church After Spiritual Abuse 45:02 Finding Healing and Redemption in the Church Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this episode April and Tim discuss the Mica Miller case. The hosts discuss the controversy surrounding the viral video of the pastor announcing his wife's death during a sermon. They mention Mica's mental health struggles, reports of abuse, and the couple's separation and divorce filings. They explores how the evangelical world broadly addresses allegations of abuse, the toxic positivity within evangelicalism, and the need for a more inclusive and supportive church culture. The hosts emphasize the importance of mental health support and resources for those in abusive relationships. They also discuss the flaws in gun laws and the dangers of overlooking red flags within church leadership. They also discuss which tweet will be awarded "the tweet of the week". Takeaways When discussing sensitive topics like mental health and abuse caution and sensitivity is key. Information in the Mica Miller case is still being released and it's important not to jump to conclusions without waiting for more data. The conversation raises questions about Mica's husbands' behavior and the dynamics of his relationship with his wife. Mica Miller's death highlights the need for mental health support and resources for those in abusive relationships within the church. Toxic positivity within evangelicalism can prevent individuals from seeking help and acknowledging mental health struggles. Gun laws should be more thoughtfully created to prevent individuals in vulnerable mental states from accessing firearms. Church leadership must be held accountable for overlooking red flags and enabling abusive behavior. Contact the National Domestic Violence Line Contact the National Mental Health Crisis Line Pre-Order Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith by April Ajoy Register for Faith and Politics for the Rest of Us Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices