7 Lessons From Magic Spoon, Dark Horse, and Other Challenger Brands with Louis Grenier, Founder of Stand the F*ck Out | Ep. 346

What does the future of marketing look like when every employee has AI agents as teammates? In this episode, Daniel and Slack CMO Ryan Gavin break down how AI and agentic tools are transforming the way we work, collaborate, and create value.  From using Slack AI to instantly access a company’s “long-term memory,” to deploying engineering agents that save millions of hours, Ryan shares practical examples of how AI-first thinking is reshaping marketing, sales, and productivity. And, why do marketers need a beginner’s mindset in an AI-driven world? Things are changing, including how we rethink email and customer journeys with agents at the center. Ryan also explains the cultural shift needed for teams to embrace AI (moving from doers of tasks to orchestrators of work) and why he believes “marketing is the product, and the product is the marketing.” If you want to understand how AI will change your role, your team, and your company in the next five years, this episode is a roadmap for thriving in the era of agent-first marketing. Follow Ryan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-gavin-seattle/ Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials More at www.workweek.com

What really gets you promoted and what keeps you stuck? Daniel’s OUT, Tamara’s IN. She’s joined by Maya Grossman, ex-Google and Microsoft turned CEO and career coach. From the “mid-management loop” to the myths about MBAs and hard work, Maya shares the lessons she learned after 17 promotion rejections on her way to VP. So what actually gets you promoted? Together, Tamara and Maya dig into the real drivers of career growth: shifting from execution to strategy, learning how to say no without guilt, and developing the kind of executive presence that makes leaders see you as ready for more. If you’ve ever felt like you’re doing everything right but still not moving up, this episode will change how you think about advancement. It’s not about working harder, it’s about working differently. Follow Maya: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mayagrossman/ Follow Tamara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaragrominsky/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What can we learn from brands like Magic Spoon and other disruptors? Daniel’s OUT, Tamara’s IN. And just like last episode, she’s got Louis Grenier on deck with his stand the f*ck out mantra. Who are the brands that are actually standing out, and what can we learn from them?  Turns out, category creation might be a myth. Instead, Louis explains the power of subcategories and how smart positioning borrows from what customers already know and buy. And, where IS everyone? Tamara and Louis break down the Marketing science behind the concept of continuous reach.   If you’re a marketer who wants to build a brand people actually remember when it comes time to purchase, this episode is for you. Follow Louis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisgrenier/ Follow Tamara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaragrominsky/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

New baby, new perspective, and yes, even unsubscribes can teach you something.  In this episode, Daniel shows up as a first-time dad, running on no sleep but plenty of diaper-changing reps, while Jay brings the unsubscriber data that’ll make any marketer stop panicking and start paying attention. Why do consumers ghost after the welcome offer? What’s unsubscribe season and how can we prepare for it? They break it down.  And, Daniel also gets candid about his newsletter hitting 150,000+ subscribers and the hilarious side effect of readers accusing him of using AI just because of emojis and dashes. He sets the record straight why it’s totally fine if people unsubscribe. It means the right audience sticks around longer. If you're a Marketer looking to stop panicking when people leave your list, this is the episode for you. 🚽 Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennialsDaniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What does it really take to stand out in a crowded market? Daniel’s OUT, Tamara’s IN. She’s joined by Louis Grenier to unpack his philosophy of “standing the f*ck out.”  From his contrarian roots to lessons learned at Hotjar and beyond, Louis shares core questions every marketer must answer, why traditional personas fall short, and how to create positioning that actually gives customers a reason to choose you. And, what’s the role of product marketing? What’s the difference between segmentation vs. belonging? Tamara and Louis reveal their answers and even share some hills they’re dying on.  If you’re a marketer who wants to build a brand people actually remember, this episode is for you. Follow Louis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisgrenier/ Follow Tamara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaragrominsky/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What’s scarier: writing a book when you swear you’re borderline illiterate… or standing on stage in front of 12,000 people at Inbound?  Daniel and Jay get real about public speaking. The wins, the disasters, and the stuff nobody tells you before you grab the mic. You’ll hear Jay’s wild journey writing his new book Stupider People Have Done It (all proceeds go to cancer research), plus the exact tips they use to survive the spotlight without crashing and burning.  Why shouldn’t you memorize your talk? Turns out, it’s a fast track to boring. Daniel and Jay spill their best hacks for calming nerves, making a real human connection with your audience, and actually keeping people awake during your talk. If you’ve ever broken into a sweat before a presentation, rushed through too many slides, or wondered what to do with your hands while you’re talking, this one’s for you. 🚽 Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

Webinars are everywhere, but most marketers are doing them wrong.  In this episode, Daniel sits down with Logan Lyles, founder of Demand Shift, to break down the Webinar Fast Track Framework and how to turn sign-ups into real results.  From the #1 mistake B2B brands make, to building a series that actually converts, Logan shares how to rethink promotion, registration flows, live engagement, and repurposing content. You’ll learn: > Why most webinar strategies fail to deliver sales opportunities > How to design titles, graphics, and landing pages that actually drive clicks > The two-step registration hack that 5–10x’s booked calls > Ways to boost live attendance with polls, exclusives, and giveaways > How to repurpose webinars into endless content fuel If you’re a Marketer who wants to host better (and more engaging live events), this is the episode for YOU. Follow Logan: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/loganlyles/ Follow Daniel: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

AI is changing Marketing faster than ever, but it doesn’t have to be intimidating. Daniel’s OUT, Tamara’s IN…and she’s got product marketer, startup veteran, and AI enthusiast Michelle Nieberding to talk about how to bring more play and less panic into experimenting with AI. Michelle shares the story of how necessity at a small startup led her to explore AI tools, and why she now treats testing new tech as both a professional advantage and a personal hobby. So, what are some ways to start using it? Marketers can repurpose webinars into social clips, and analyze customer feedback, and even rethink how KPIs get tracked. Plus, how does she feel about AI agents? Michelle explains her take.  If you’ve ever wondered how to get started with AI in your work, or just want one new tool to test this week, this is the episode for you.  Follow Michele: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michele-nieberding/ Follow Tamara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaragrominsky/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What makes a landing page irresistible? Should your pop-ups always take over the whole screen? And is it actually worth asking for birthdays and half birthdays on your forms? Jay, Daniel, and their first-ever Bathroom Break guest Ari Murray break down the art of building better landing pages.  From mobile-first design to when a two-step form makes sense, Ari shares the little details that make a big difference in conversions. The truth? Too many brands ignore the basics, like where the CTA sits or how widgets block the cart. Plus, Ari and Daniel go head-to-head over birthday traditions, Jay confesses his love for coconut cake, and we find out which celebrity shares Ari’s birthday. This short ‘n sweet Bathroom Break is for marketers, growth hackers, and anyone who wants more clicks, sign-ups, and sales. 🚽 Follow Jay: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Podcast: Do This, Not That Follow Daniel: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@themarketingmillennials/featured Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Dmurr68 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-murray-marketing Follow Ari: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arimurray/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com

What do Michael Kors, Blue Nile, and Typeform have in common? More than you’d think. Daniel’s OUT, Tamara’s IN. She’s joined by Kevin Branscum, a brand leader who’s worked across fashion, luxury, and B2B SaaS. Together, they explore why the best brands aren’t built on features or functions but on feelings, cultural awareness, and creativity. What can SaaS and B2B Marketers learn from fashion CMOs? Turns out, there’s a similar connection between people and software beyond just its practical use. Research should go beyond product usage into the real lives of customers. And, Brand can (and should) be an “always on” refresh. They also dig into how to avoid the copycat trap of competitor marketing and why taste might just be the most important marketing skill in the AI era. If you’re a marketer who wants to build a brand people actually connect with, this episode is for you. Follow Kevin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinbranscum/ Follow Tamara: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamaragrominsky/ Sign up for The Marketing Millennials newsletter: www.workweek.com/brand/the-marketing-millennials Daniel is a Workweek friend, working to produce amazing podcasts. To find out more, visit: www.workweek.com