Ep 156 - Classic Final Fantasy!

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Shannon Eno here with Sam Wagers and John Cummins Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping   Retro Rewind : Metroid   FilmLogic: Cannibal! The Musical The Price Is Retro -  If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Dan's List Sam's list John's List Shannon's List Show Topic -   Classic Final Fantasy Final Fantasy Final Fantasy 2 Final Fantasy 3 Final Fantasy 4 (II) Final Fantasy 5 Final Fantasy 6 (III)   Final Fantasy Without Being Final Fantasy SaGa games: Final Fantasy Legend Final Fantasy Legend 2 Final Fantasy Legend 3   Final Fantasy Adventure (first game in the Mana series)   Final Fantasy Mystic Quest   Misc. Final Fantasy Conversation Evolution of turned based combat Best way to play classic Final Fantasy? Will Final Fantasy Resonance be a return to classic Final Fantasy? Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Sam Wagers, Shannon Eno and John Cummins, Special Guest Ryan (Games With Coffee) Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping   Retro Rewind : Metroid   FilmLogic: Cannibal! The Musical The Price Is Retro - 13:55 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Dan's List Sam's list John's List Shannon's List Show Topic - 5   The Games of Star Wars: Classics   Super Star Wars Trilogy   X-Wing, TIE Fighter, etc.   Knights of the Old Republic   Episode 1 Racer   Dark Forces/Jedi Knight   Rogue Squadron (Rebel Strike, Rogue Leader,    Battlefront   Force Unleashed   Lego Star Wars   Galactic Battlegrounds   Lego Star Wars Recents and Revivals: Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga   Battlefront 2015   Star Wars Squadrons   Star Wars Zero Company   Star Wars Outlaws   How have star wars games specifically been affected by the closure of LucasArts following the Disney merger?   Honorary mentions with fun tidbits:   Star Wars Gungan Frontier: - All these gungans were canonically killed by poison gas during the clone wars. * (legends)   Capcom's Star Gladiator was originally pitched as a Star Wars Fighting game, but they could not procure the license   Personal Top 3 Star Wars games:   Sam: KOTOR, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Zero Company Community Couch Your Wallet's Ambassador — 9/23/2026 12:22 PM I had a star wars plug and play console. I don't really remember much about it, but I believe it looked like Darth Vader... Third Strongest Mole — 9/23/2026 12:27 PM probably wasn't this since it doesn't even plug in but you just resurfaced a memory for me MaddieBeth [GI],  — 9/23/2026 12:29 PM LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga was one of my favorite games growing up. I have so many good memories playing through that game, and the humor in it is peak  [GI],  Your Wallet's Ambassador — 9/23/2026 1:46 PM Oh yes, I also remember playing this on my DS OctoRock_1982 — 9/23/2026 3:02 PM The first Star Wars game I ever played was Rebel Assault on CD-ROM in the early '90s. It was a mind-blowing experience at the time, with 3D rendered graphics, actual music from the films, and full motion video. The controls were extremely frustrating, but that didn't stop my friends and I from playing it over and over. The next big Star Wars game that blew my mind was Shadows of the Empire for N64. The game had impressively large levels for the time, and I liked the variety in having both vehicle combat, on-foot 3rd person shooting, and some challenging boss fights. Again, the controls could be frustrating, particularly the floaty jumping physics, but Dan and I played the crap out of this one. Last game I'll shout out is Jedi Outcast. I feel like this was the first game that really made the player feel like a badass Jedi with really powerful Force and lightsaber abilities. I actually ended up playing this one on the GameCube, which probably isn't the ideal way to experience it, but I really enjoyed it. Eric Plunk [nDAD],  — 9/23/2026 3:14 PM I remember being pretty hyped for Star Wars Episode I Racer for N64 and enjoyed a rental of it. The Podracing scenes may be my favorite of the entire prequel trilogy and had excellent sound design and early CG. Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Sam Wagers here with Shannon Eno and John Cummins Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping   Sam: Streaming   On Topic Retro: Black Box Challange   The Price Is Retro - 13:55 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Show Topic - The 40th Anniversary Zelda direct and what we've been playing. Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Sam Wagers and here with John Cummins!   Intros`   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping John - On Topic Retro Retro Rewind Champions - Black Box Challange The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list.    At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300   Flightsy's list Show Topic - Sonys Digital Only Future! Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Shannon, John, Adam, and Chadd!   Intros`   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping John - On Topic Retro Retro Rewind - Ice Climbers The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list.    At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300   Flightsy's list Show Topic - Classic Game Fest Recap!   Have you been to a retro convention before? How many years have you been to CGF? What were you specifically on the hunt for this year?   What did you NOT buy because it was too expensive?   Did you have any unexpected finds? Non-shopping highlight of the weekend? (guests, music, experience, etc…)   What was the worst thing that happened?   Final thoughts on CGF as a whole?   What will you do differently next year? Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Shannon Eno and John Cummins, and Sam Wagers! Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping John - New retrologic content coming! Articles in substack   On Topic Retro - Mario Galaxy   New Retro Rewind Champions - Black Box Challange The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list.    At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Topic Rhythm Games! Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Sam Wagers here with Shannon Eno and John Cummins! Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping John - New retrologic content coming! Articles in substack   On Topic Retro - Mario Galaxy The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list.    At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 RetroLogic Ep150 Shannon's List Sam's list John's List Flightsy's Live List Show Topic - What We're Playing-New Games, Old Games, New hardware?   Sam- Shannon- John- Community Couch Savannah the Hyena Queen — 6/28/2026 1:17 PM Been playing Mario Galaxy for the challenge, but after that I've gotta get back to the backlog: Mario Galaxy 2, Mario & Luigi Brothership, Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment, Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, Xenoblade Chronicles X Definitive Edition, Persona 3 Portable, Omori, Sea of Stars, etc etc etc. I'm a busy gal Add Deltarune chapter 5 to the list as well, though hopefully that won't take too long   Games with Coffee — 6/28/2026 1:40 PM Working on Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, but took a break to play Star Fox. After Rebirth, I'm gonna switch to Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, followed by Mina the Hollower and then Hades and Chained Echoes OctoRock_1982 — 6/28/2026 2:51 PM I finally got to dig into Mina The Hollower. I'm about 15 hours in and having the time of my life. The game scratches such a specific type of itch for me, and I'm sure would do the same for veteran gamers of a certain era. It somehow feels authentically retro and yet wholly unique at the same time. As much as the game is touted as a top down Zelda-like, it borrows just as much DNA from the likes of NES games like Dragon Warrior, StarTropics, Castlevania and Ninja Gaiden. So, as you might expect, I'm in heaven playing this game.   Trey — 6/28/2026 3:02 PM I bounced onto starfox and castlevania harmony of dissonance since getting the gba castlevania double pack last week. It's my first castlevania and my first starfox 64 playthrough! I hope to return to Mina the hollower after but rhythm heaven is coming soon!   BeerBierCerveza [nDAD],  — 6/28/2026 3:58 PM I've been playing through the games in the Resident Evil bundle. Finished Requiem, then played through biohazard, and I just rolled credits on village this weekend. All of these games were amazing! I was certain at least one of the games in the bundle was going to be a dud, but I was wrong. Requiem is definitely a contender for GOTY!   Drex1981 [ARC],  — 6/28/2026 4:39 PM I've been playing the New Star Fox remake which has been really good. Also Marathon, Dispatch, Mario Kart world, and Final Fantasy 6 for my snes. And also Street Fighter 6 I've been competing in Tournaments   Your Wallet's Ambassador — 6/28/2026 6:46 PM I've been playing Super Mario Galaxy, trying to get to 242 stars as quickly as possible for Retro Rewind. I've also been playing an Archipelago run with some college friends, where I'm playing Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. My backlog includes Deltarune Chapter 5, Rhythm Heaven Groove, The rest of the M&L games after Bowser's Inside Story, and kinda every game I own... Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Shannon Eno and John Cummins, and Adam Caporello! Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping John - New retrologic content coming!   On Topic Retro - Gradius Interstellar Assault for Game Boy The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list.    At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Shannon's List Dan's List Adam's list John's List Show Topic - remake/remaster/reimagining  Which do you prefer?   What is your favorite game that has had one of these treatments? Third Strongest Mole — 6/13/26, 8:47 AM I'll try to give my condensed thoughts here since I wont' make it onto next week's show. The only remakes that I consider justified are games that truly had potential they failed to live up to. Games that are perfectly good as they are don't need remakes - just ports. While I appreciate keeping classic games available for people who don't have original hardware, ports address that problem in a much more cost effective way - and the "need" for remasters is selling a solution to a problem created by the planned obsolescence of the idea of console generations. We don't actually need new hardware (at least not to play old games)- console makers just need new hardware and software to sell. By all means keep the classics available through reprints and officially licensed emulation. But those aren't new releases and we shouldn't pretend they are. If you really "can't wait to play Ocarina of time again" - plug in the N64, or boot up the NSO app. Community Couch Savannah the Hyena Queen — 6/12/26, 6:59 PM I like remakes, for two reasons. One, they allow a new generation of players to experience an old game with the conveniences of the modern era. And two, they give fans a brand new way to experience their favorite games. Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire was the first point for me, and Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl was the second. That being said, I think Nintendo has been doing too many remakes and updates to old games recently and not enough new ones. But maybe that's just cause I'm not super interested in Star Fox or Ocarina of Time Drex1981 [ARC],  — 6/12/26, 7:04 PM Remakes are tricky things. One of the side they can fix issues that at the time couldn't be addressed. They can expand on storylines and tell the story with more detail. They can introduce new players to these games and create new fans. On the other side they can be souless cash grabs and change what makes these games great. MooseGooseNinja [SEAF],  — 6/12/26, 7:18 PM I like remakes as long as they do the original game justice (looking at RE3R), but otherwise I do like the idea of remakes for the same reasons Savannah mentions. I generally try to judge remakes on a case-by-case basis though, and my personal favorite part of remakes is playing both versions (if I can get my hands on the original) and comparing and contrasting the two. I also try not to decide which is better or anything, but just objectively finding differences. It was the most fun for RE4 because I LOVE those games. My favorite game that got a remake was probably Dead Space. DoubleD — 6/12/26, 8:57 PM I've been mulling this over for a bit now and I think I like remasters the most. Making older games accessible to a new audience while improving the graphics and QoL features will get me every time (Don't ask me how many versions of the various Final Fantasy games I've bought through the years). Final Fantasy Tactics: The Ivalice Chronicles is probably my favorite remaster though. It kept one of my favorite games mostly the same but added amazing voice acting that let me experience one of my favorite video game stories in a completely different way! Your Wallet's Defense Attorney — 6/13/26, 12:16 AM I prefer remakes that change stuff more than faithful remakes. They are more interesting to analyze, and they provide more of a reason to play them if you have access to the original. Solo [nDAD],  — 6/13/26, 8:37 AM I welcome a remaster of the game. The trend now in console camps is to remaster games to bring them into the contemporary level of graphics and/or new art design to make them more appealing to new generation of gamers. OoT is a cherished entry into the Zelda series. Off of this one entry we get the branches into the Downfall causing BoTW/ToTK, Child and Adult timelines of Zelda lore. Would be interesting if in the remaster then made methods to connect the game to others; for example the lore we see in BoTW/ToTK that many have played (even those that are not deep dive Zelda fanboys and just played off IP recognition alone). Hoping myself the remaster is not a lockstep redo of the original since that version is already out there. I find it more exciting if they were to add new story beat elements into a new artwork scheme. adam — 6/13/26, 9:25 AM i find the discourse around remakes and remasters to be kind of pointless, because if you don't like them, just don't play them.   is there a conversation to be had about companies rereleasing games instead of taking risks on new ips? yeah absolutely. but i think that's different then should these remakes/remasters exist.   emulation and ports are important in the preservation of media, but remakes/remasters   update games to be more accessible on modern hardware.   remakes/remasters recontextualize their stories into the modern broader canon.   i think people are excited to play oot remake/remaster because of the first two reasons. i don't think anyone would pretend that the z targeting and camera controls in the original are good. (innovative for the time but obviously not great in comparison to today) so updated qol features, coupled with excitement to see how they will recontextualize oot to better fit with the current branch of botw/totk, and hopefully give us a glimpse of what's to come next   (In response to adam) Your Wallet's Defense Attorney — 7:56 AM People get annoyed about remakes because of the opportunity cost. Time you take developing a remake/remaster is time you could have spent developing something new. So there are some stakes to the discussion. Also, as a community based around gaming, we like talking about games. So we wanna talk about whether remakes/remasters are interesting to us, and listen to how other like minded people feel about them. The discussion itself is often the point. (Adam thinks the opportunity cost argument doesn't hold water because plenty of studios are able to output both) (Flightsy says there is STILL an opportunity cost. And resources were spent) (Adam responds) adam — 12:16 PM I can't recall a situation where a new game or a game that's in development was sidelined by a remake/remaster. if anything the remakes and remasters make studios more money to put into new titles.   …   but like i said i think really the bigger issue in the industry is the live service model/microtransactions being pushed by suits in c-suites. it's why naughty dog hasn't dropped anything, it's why xbox is in such a bad spot financially. *and then to fill the void of canceled games companies just rerelease or remaster something   …   i think it's an interesting topic, and i think that the recent uptick in remakes/remasters is a barometer for the health of the current industry. and if it's good or bad is up to interpretation, or more likely somewhere in the middle Xomber — 1:35 PM Have mixed feelings on remakes. Some games are just classics and it doesn't really do much to put a fresh coat of paint on a classic. I will still play them, however, hence the mixed feelings. Like when Last of Us 2 was remade on the PS5, it seemed, pointless to me, but since I hadn't played it up until that point that'd be the option I would go with. I still like good games being remade to a certain extent, but are we going to do that every 5-10 years or every 2-3 generations? Xomber — 1:39 PM Another thing I wonder, would a remake make some bad games good? I'm curious about that. Could a story be fleshed out more, or an annoying game mechanic be improved to where it's not cumbersome? That's what actually interests me. Flightsy: I was definitely disappointed by the OOT remake announcement, and in general by the large amount of old content on the Switch 2. But in the end, that's not actually what I'm disappointed about. I'm disappointed that a year in, I still don't really feel compelled to buy the Switch 2. I'm annoyed about the remasters because it reminds me of that core issue, but it isn't actually the issue itself. And there's no way to know if a decision not to make those remasters would have actually led to a world that fixes that issue… Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Sam Wagers, Shannon Eno and John Cummins, Special Guest Ryan (Games With Coffee) Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping   Sam: Streaming FE Path of Radiance and Armored Core 2   On Topic Retro: Zelda Skyward Sword Retro Rewind Super Castlevania IV Gradius   Backlog recap   The Price Is Retro - 13:55 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Dan's List Sam's list John's List Shannon's List   Spot the fake Pikmin treasure Show Topic - 5   Puzzle games SameGame/CHAINSHOT (1985) Tetris and all its iterations (what's your favorite?) (1988)   The many attempts to make a real "sequel" to tetris (or market something unrelated as one) Tetris 2/Tetris Flash (1993) Breakthru (1994) Tetris attack (1996) 3D tetris (1996) Tetrisphere (1997)   Pajitnov's other puzzle games: Welltris (1989) Hatris (1990) Faces…tris III (1990) Wordtris (1992)   Never had the staying power of the original   The other titans of the genre: Columns (1989) Dr Mario (1990) Puyo Puyo (1991) Yoshi (1991) Vs Puzzle games really took off Cosmo gang the puzzle (1992) Yoshi's Cookie (1992) Wario's woods (1994) Bomberman Panic bomber (1994) Puzzle bobble (1994) Panel De pon (1995) Magical Drop (1995) Super Puzzle Fighter II turbo (1996) (characters actually have unique patterns they send to opponents)   Largely fell out of fashion, but seem to be coming back Dr. Luigi (2013) Puyo Puyo Tetris (2014) Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 (2020) Tetris effect: connected (2020)   Tetris 99 (2019) Crystal Crisis (2019)   Licensing opportunities (some already mentioned), spinoffs Aforementioned puzzle fighter, yoshi's cookie, dr mario, puyo puyo Dr Robotnik's mean bean machine (1993) Pac attack (1993) Panel de pon's "tetris attack" and "pokemon puzzle league" forms Kirby's avalanche (1995) Hebereke's Popoitto (1994) Kirby Star Stacker (1997) Rampage Puzzle Attack (2001) Pokemon Trozei (2005) Puzzle & dragons Super mario edition (2015)   Snood (1996) This game is on like every platform.  I'm not sure how it displaced puzzle bobble but it did. Bejeweled (2001) Bejeweled-likes (Zoo Keeper, Jewel Quest, Chuzzle)   Meteos (2005)   Mobile as the new haven for matching puzzle games   Block puzzle hybrids Block Hole/Quarth Puzzle Quest Puzzle & Dragons Henry Hatsworth   Suika game (2024) Community Couch Savannah the Hyena Queen — 5/29/2026 9:27 PMFriday, May 29, 2026 9:27 PM Does Mario's Super Picross count? That game is fun, specially the Wario levels   Savannah the Hyena Queen — 5/29/2026 9:30 PM I'm really bad at picross so my clear times are abysmal, but it's still a really relaxing loop that's nice if I don't really want to play something more involved   Your Wallet's Defense Attorney — 5/29/2026 9:33 PM Mario's Super Picross is what got me into Picross, a past time I have become thoroughly engrossed. It's the perfect thing to do while paying attention to something else. In fact, I used to catch up on Retro Logic episodes while playing Mario's Super Picross...   SNES_is_Life — 5/29/2026 9:44 PM Yoshis cookie!   Drex1981 [ARC],  — 5/30/2026 9:37 AM I don't know if this counts or not but in the original Metal Gear Solid when fighting Psycho Mantis. You had to switch to controller port 2 to avoid being controlled by him. Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Welcome to RetroLogic! I'm Dan Caporello here with Sam Wagers and John Cummins, Special Guest Ryan (Games With Coffee) Intros   But RetroLogic isn't just a podcast. It's a community of retro gamers! - We've got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Housekeeping   Sam: Streaming   On Topic Retro: Zelda Skyward Sword Retro Rewind Super Castlevania IV Gradius The Price Is Retro - 13:55 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here's how we play. I'm going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dinosaur - Leonard - adds up original costs, retail value Ghost - Polterguest - always guesses 300 Dan's List Sam's list John's List Ryan's List Show Topic - 1:07:40 1:10:20   Starfox   Star Fox - SNES NA: March 1, 1993 developed by Nintendo EAD and programmed by Argonaut Games, who created the Super FX chip to enable the 3D graphics seen in the game.   Star Fox 64 - N64 NA: July 1, 1997 Developed by Nintendo EAD. Star Fox 64 was the first game to feature support for the Rumble Pak peripheral.   Star Fox Adventures - GCN NA: September 22, 2002 The last game developed by second-party Nintendo developer Rare before its acquisition by Microsoft.   Star Fox: Assault - GCN NA: February 14, 2005 Developed by Namco Originally slated to be developed by the Ace Combat team, but that version was allegedly scrapped and the Klonoa team took over instead. In an unusual twist, the game as we know it began development in the multiplayer mode. Star Fox Command - DS NA: August 28, 2006 Developed by Q-Games. Directed by Dylan Cuthbert, who previously served as a lead programmer of the original Star Fox and 64 at Argonaut. According to Cuthbert, Miyamoto approached him and his company because he wanted to see more of the ideas from the then-unreleased Star Fox 2 (who Cuthbert was heavily involved with during its development) Star Fox 64 3D - 3DS NA: September 11, 2011 Developed by Nintendo EAD "At the annual E3 event during the Nintendo Q&A session held in June 2011, Miyamoto jokingly stated that he warned the developers that if Star Fox 64 3D was not the best game in the series, or did not make a lot of money, the franchise would have to be discontinued." Star Fox Zero - Wii U NA/EU: April 22, 2016 Developed by PlatinumGames A "reimagining" of Starfox 64 The game's development began with experimentation on leftover assets from a never-released Star Fox game for the Wii that had been worked on by a small group since about 2008.   Star Fox 2 - SNES NA/EU: September 29, 2017 Release years by system: Cancelled – Super Nintendo Entertainment System 2017 – Super NES Classic Edition 2019 – Nintendo Switch Online Developed by Argonaut Games. Was originally canceled due to its proposed release date's proximity with the release of the Nintendo 64 and internal development problems.   Star Fox - Switch 2 JP/NA/EU: June 25, 2026 Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Bluesky at @retrologicgames.bsky.social. You're also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my Blusky bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games