Inclusive Engineering with Josee Tremblay

The Employee Experience MBA class that I'm teaching this summer is in full swing, with a lot of ground to cover in a short amount of time. One of the things that I emphasize out of the gate is that employee experience is about optimizing the organization for the employee. Or, put simply, treat your employees like human beings, and treat them well. Shocking I know. But there is something about some organizations and business that can be dehumanizing in their own unique ways, as well as in the ways that they can replicate larger social dynamics that exist. Taken together, these elements can be unhelpful when trying to create better experience and more inclusive environments. As a result, the simple idea of treating people as people can at times not be so simple to execute.Thus for the next 6 weeks we’ll be going over how we can conceptualize, integrate, and execute employee experience. Not that any of this is going to be mastered in six weeks. Mastery isn’t achieved by taking a single course. It is in the doing of work, of applying concepts, of developing experience that we can start to reach the point of mastery. It is through the dedication to the concepts introduced, and the examples presented, that the students can be in the position to make for better employee experiences.One of the things I enjoy about this course is the way in which it is directly connected to applying the concepts that are learned. We might think of academia as a place where there is a lot of conceptualizing, and industry as a place where there is a lot of doing. It would then make sense, at least to me, that there is more partnership that takes place between industry and academia. But we don’t often see that. Rather, at least in US society, we see more of a divide between academia and industry which precludes this kind of collaboration. Luckily, today on Experience by Design, we have someone who can talk about improving organizational culture, employee experience, and academia and industry collaborations. Josee Tremblay has a BS degree in Mechanical Engineering, a certificate in Strategic Decision and Risk Management from the Stanford School of Engineering, as well as other educational achievements. She has worked in the energy industry and is now a Principal at Strategic Decisions Group. In addition, she serves on the Schulich Industry Advisory Council for the School of Engineering at the University of Calgary. So she knows something about integrating industry and academia.Also, she has written a book called Us and Yet and Yet.  It is a fascinating examination and discussion of gender in the workplace. Her focus was on genders in nontraditional roles. Think male nurses, female engineers, and the like. In her book, she shares her experiences of transforming organizations through leadership, removing biases, and nurturing a positive multi-gender environment. Her goal is to give people a roadmap to collaboration and working together. We talk about all these elements in our conversation, along with the key message of no matter your background, you are bringing in a contribution which is essential. The role of leadership is to create an environment to bring that out. "Us and Yet and Yet" - https://usandyet.comJosee Tremblay LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/josee-tremblay/

Summer is in full swing, and with summer for academics comes the typical question, “Do you have summers off?” I can’t speak for all academics, but summers don’t mean the lack of work, but the shifting of work. We go from our primary focus being on teaching and into other pursuits that we don’t have time for during the school year. Typically that means research and writing.  For me, it is no different. I’ve been doing a lot of writing, working on the Experience by Design book and making some progress. Of course, I think that everything I am writing is terrible. At some point soon you can be judge at how bad or good it is. But rather than thinking of “bad’ or “good”, I’m thinking more in terms of “done” or “not done.” And “done” is better.Another part of my summer is doing this podcast. When this was started over 6 years ago, the biggest challenge was getting people who wanted to chat about their work. Then gradually PR firms would contact me about their clients who could appear on the show. Now, getting guests is no longer the hardest part. Rather, it is getting the episodes out to keep up with the number of conversations that I’m having. This means that I’m going to try to go to launching an episode a week. This is no small feat given that this is a one-person operation. Communicating with guests, having an introductory conversation, recording the conversation, recording intros and outros, audio engineering, loading it up, updating the website, creating promotional materials. All of it is me. That’s a lot of work.The biggest payoff is the conversations that I get to have with the people who appear. I think about how I would have never have learned as much as I have and made the connection that I have if it wasn’t for the podcast. And that’s pretty cool. And makes the work worth it.My guest today has been part of many different design projects, including the Most Important Conversation Initiative. Chad Lefevre and I were once neighbors, me living in Detroit and he being born in Windsor. Has since traveled the world doing design work. From the United Way in Calgary (we also have in common that we worked for United Way) to working with thought leaders at Design Shop to tackle society’s most complex problems (like peace in the Korean peninsula), he’s covered a lot of ground. We do likewise in our conversation. Along with those topics, we look at the impact of AI on society and the workforce, and how we need to design a new way of being. We talk about how we are entering the Creative Economy, and how creativity is the new currency. We talk about even though people are resistant to change, change is the only constant in life and this moment requires it. And finally we talk about through our conversations maybe we can make a shared reality that allows us to change things together.The Most Important Conversation - https://tmicglobal.comChad Lefevre - https://chadlefevre.comChad Lefevre Substack - https://chadlefevre.substack.com

Happy Fourth of July to everyone out there, as I record this on the day before the 4th. For those in the US, this is the day that we celebrate our independence from the British. No offense to our British listeners. But to be fair, we are not alone in our desire to kick the British out. Nice to see that we could put that ugliness behind us. Now we are happy to closely monitor Royal Family news, refurbish British shows to suit our own tastes, welcome musical acts, and occasionally drink tea and have small sandwiches. For those in other parts of the world, hope you are still able to celebrate July 4th as a good day. I am preparing to once again teach my course on employee experience. One of the challenges of teaching a general class is that you realize how much you could cover and how much there is to talk about. Also, things are rapidly changing the world of work which needs to be considered and covered. Despite all of these changes, there are constants that exist which form the foundation of employee experience. We might think that the more things change, the more they stay the same. To be successful in any experience design effort, we have to keep the fundamentals in mind.On this episode of Experience by Design, I welcome Brian Kurtz to the show to talk about his career in direct marketing. But Brian is about more than just direct marketing. Turns out that he started out as a film critic and film editor, even doing film reviews for the New York Times. That led him to pursue a PhD in English at Idaho State University. While that didn’t pan out, it did solidify his analytical approach to designing communications that resonate with target audiences no matter the method through which it is disseminated.We talk about all the changes that he has seen in his long career in direct marketing, including the changes happening today. We also explore how despair these changes, the fundamentals remain the same.  He describes his book Overdeliver, and how we need to approach business not as a revenue event but as relationship events. People are more than lists and segments. To be successful in breaking through the noise, we need to design messages and content that connects. And we talk about the biggest challenges with being a baseball umpire.

I’m currently working on a book called Experience by Design, and by currently I mean the last three-plus years. You could say it is a work in progress. But as the saying goes, “progress, not perfection.” When all you see is the goal, it can be hard to see the progress you are making. So making progress I am, and hopefully I’ll have something to share about that soon. If you would be interested in checking out drafts of chapters for this book, drop me a message at [email protected] and I’ll put you on the list of feedback providers!One part of this book deals with Design Ethics and Justice. That’s a pretty big topic to be sure. One theme that I was thinking about is the idea of “service”, and the service economy. When thinking about the service economy, the main definition of it is the implied and explicit obligations that are inherent in the transactional relationship between companies/workers and customers. Because you are a customer, or potential customer, I provide a service for you. My obligation to do so only extends so far that you are a customer (or potential customer). But that is not the only way to think about service. Service also can be something that is done for someone solely because I am in the position to do so and you are in need of it. The obligation of this kind of service rests in the idea that doing a service for someone is a noble act of selflessness. Doing a service can be thought of as a higher calling, but also a starting point. To do service is to rediscover that one has self-worth, something to offer, can make a difference no matter how small of an act of service one does.This is why doing service is a foundational part of recovery from substance abuse and other kinds of unhealthy patterns and behaviors. Putting out coffee at a meeting, setting up chairs, cleaning afterward, there are no small acts or insignificant ones. Each act serves a purpose, and does a service. When we do services for others, we can contribute to a stronger community and even a better society. On the other hand, if all of our relationships are only based on transactions, there is nothing to say that I need to do anything for you, nor you to do anything for me.This episode of Experience by Design dives into ideas of self-worth, trauma, recovery, service, and healing.  I welcome Rikki West to the show to talk about her book “The Empty Bowl: Pursuing Truth in a Messy World.”, which she describes as combining “the drama of a personal memoir with the philosophical and spiritual insights of a Zen student.”Our conversation traverses a lot of different areas and aspects of her life. We talk about starting out with a degree in genetics, only to move to integrating art, dance, and philosophy together for a master’s degree. We talk about her early experiences in the tech industry in the beginning days of Silicon Valley. She tells of how getting laid off in 2001 led to a cycle of desperation that finally culminated in deciding that she needed a change from being stuck in self-pity as her identity. She describes her voyage of recovery through recovery programs, coming to know the value of herself, letting go of the results you want and accepting the results you get, and how to heal intergenerational trauma. The source of this is finding the inner strength we all have and that we can nurture to be more present in our lives. Finally we talk about how her work is about sharing lessons of experience, strength, and hope to receptive audiences to help them in their healing journeys. And through this we can experience the world in a more healthy way and form more connected relationships. Rikki West - https://www.rikkiwest.com/"The Empty Bowl" - https://www.rikkiwest.com/the-empty-bowl

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One of the things that I am starting to notice more and more is the difference between “getting older” and “feeling older.” Getting older is something that is unavoidable as long as we’re alive. But I find feeling older comes in waves. I am finding that seeing another child graduate high school is another moment in which I am impacted by feeling older. My daughter Hailey has reached the end of her high school years, which is more bittersweet than my first daughter. This is because Hailey was born with particular challenges that made every year uncertain. The NICU doctor told us “to enjoy the time you have with her.” Turns out that we are 18 years and counting. With her challenges, college is not an option. But given that we live in a state with good services, she moves onto something called Transitions, which is a program from 18-22 to help develop life skills, job skills, and job placement. As with any graduate, it is an exciting time and a scary time not knowing how her story will unfold. Then again, Hailey’s story has always been filled with a lot of uncertainties, also like any of ours. Every step along the way, she has authored a version of herself that is authentically and uniquely her. As much as we would all like to say the same, I really don’t know how many of us can. The freedom of self expression through which one can shine their own light can be a proposition much scarier than what might happen after graduation.The story of your life that you are going to write and tell is in large part up to you. Ideally, I think, we would like our story to be written in our voice because it is one that we are writing for ourselves. This isn’t always possible given that our stories are invariably impacted by any number of factors beyond our control. To be able to tell our stories on our terms is a gift. My guest on Experience by Design knows all about telling stories, and also about the importance of marking time. Michael Drew has spent a career helping people get their stories to a wider audience. A key point that he shares is that we need to find ways of connecting our authentic voice and passion to a broader audience. Michael sees his work as part of a larger purpose, which is being here in service to other people. This process involves building relationships, translating brilliance into actionable insights, and framing ideas in ways that speak to the needs of your audience. Michael has represented many many best selling authors, so he definitely knows about which he speaks. We also talk about his other work on the forty-year cycle of history, which is a fascinating topic to explore. It turns out that everything old is in fact new again. These cycles move from “Me” to  “We” extremes, which reflects the larger social zeitgeist. Understanding this cycle can explain much of the moments we find ourselves in, and what it means for us individually and as a society. Was a fascinating chat that ranged across many different areas, but all tied together by a focus on telling our story, understanding the broader moment we are in, living to our purpose through service, and crafting a brand that you can believe in.And congrats again to Hailey who lives the most authentically of any one I know, and continues to write her own story.Michael Drew LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelrdrewBook Retreat Publishing Services https://bookretreat.com/“Pendulum: How Past Generations Shape Our Present and Predict Our Future” https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15842812-pendulum

Parenting children is definitely one of the hardest challenges that we can face in life. But as challenging as that is, it is nothing compared to reparenting your inner child. Some of you might be familiar with that turn of phrase. It refers to the process of dealing with childhood trauma, and “short-falls” in the manner in which you were parented in the first place, especially in relation to nurturing, support, care, and emotional safety that may have been missing. While re-parenting refers to a particular therapeutic approach, dealing with the effects of trauma is something that many, if not most, people share. And the impact that this can have on our lives can be multifaceted and complex. If you have ever gone to any recovery programs, you will know that the behavior being dealt with is only the symptom of the problem, and not the source of it. There are deeper challenges people are facing. After all, what sank the Titanic was not the ice that was visible, but the ice that was beneath the surface.Perhaps it is not surprising that we’ve had a number of guests that are working with people in varying capacities to improve themselves, their lives, and their relationships with others. I do think that it is in some ways a Gen X thing. There is a desire to do better and be better, feel better, without the tools with which to carry that out. Thus, we have an idea of where we want to go but no clear idea of how to get there. It is hard to build a birdhouse without any tools or knowledge how to use them. You can give it a go, but the outcome is likely to be frustrating and not great quality.On today’s show, we welcome  Tammy Cho to the studio. Tammy had over 20 years of experience as a nurse, but in line with the common expression, she was having a hard time healing herself. A visit to the emergency room to deal with chest pains and heart palpitations led her to re-evaluate her life and how she was dealing with her trauma. Out of this process, Tammy developed what she calls Energy Leadership and Self-Love mentoring. Part of this involves slowing down and reconnecting with ourselves. This can be a scary proposition when we are not sure what we might find, or if we will like what we discover when we do. When we stop pushing ourselves away, we can rediscover who we are and accept the gifts that we possess. In her definition, human design is about self-intimacy, self-empowerment, and self-acceptance. By doing so, not only do we change our relationship with ourselves, but also with those around us whether they be friends, family members, co-workers, or those we are managing professionally. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tammycho-pathtotheheart/Website: https://pathtotheheart.com/

I’m lucky enough to live in a spot where there are a lot of trails that I can enjoy whether running, walking, biking, and even snowshoeing if we get enough snow. No matter what I am doing, I have one simple rule: if there is a friendly dog on the trail, I must stop to pet it. The opportunity to pet and engage with random dogs is one of the things that just brings me a lot of happiness. It is hard for me to understand those who are not “dog people”, especially since I mostly prefer dogs to people. I’m a sucker for dogs. It turns out that those cute faces that dogs make and the way they endear themselves to us is not by accident, but by evolution. Being cute helps them to worm their way into our worlds. In that way, dogs are a bit of a salesperson, selling us on giving out treats, walks, toys, outfits, food, cuddles, and all kinds of pampering. I mean, sales is just about convincing someone of a course of action. Dogs are great at this, or at least they are to me because I am such an easy mark for dogs because they play on my emotions. In preparing this, I hesitated at connecting dogs with sales because dogs are revered people and sales people less so. In fact, you could say that sales has a bad rap. Rather than seeing sales as a way of getting people what they need, sales is often viewed as a way of convincing people to get things that they don’t need and will not be helpful. But our guest today is here to talk about how when sales is done well, it is a win-win-win situation. Doug C. Brown has spent a career trying to do sales right, creating positive experiences for customers and sellers alike. Doug talks about how sales is probably the world’s “oldest profession.” He also talks about the challenge of overcoming the bad rap of selling to get to a better outcome for customers. He describes how the metrics being tracked often are not those connected to CX success, which lead to worse outcomes. He finally takes us on the long strange trip of starting out as a vocal major at Berklee College of Music, moving to nuclear medicine, serving in the Army for 12 years, and finally ending up in sales (all of which have more in common than you might think!).LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougbrown123/CEO Sales Strategies: https://ceosalesstrategies.com/

We are rapidly approaching the end of semester, which can only mean one thing: freedom. The end of the semester is always a weird time. It kind of reminds me of the end of a relationship where both parties have just had enough and know that it is time to move on. Let us conclude the business at hand and get on with our lives. Sure we can stay friends, and perhaps even hold out the potential of getting back together at some point in the future in another class. But right now, its best if we go our separate ways. For those students that are graduating, it means something else entirely: time to put all that book learning to work and try to get a job. Of course calling it book learning makes me show my age, because who reads books anymore! But the point still stands: graduates are on the hunt for a job that will provide the opportunity to start adulting on a larger scale. To get a job, one of the things that they need to be able to do is stand out from the pack of others who are also trying to get jobs. Here in lies one of the unique ironies that we have in at least American culture. The belief that we are individuals who are unique and can stand out, coupled with a strong anxiety and aversion to being different from other people. For as much as we like to think of ourselves as unique and distinctive, we really have a strong streak of conformity. This makes us no different from other societies in which standing out can be stigmatizing and sanctioned. Being the first in a parade feels a lot safer than standing out.But standing out is important in terms of showing others who we truly are, and living in a way that feels authentic. My guest today on Experience by Design knows all about the challenge and importance of standing out. Judy Winslow of Unforgettable Brands is a self-described Brandologist who has spent her life standing out and being around creatives who do the same. Judy moved to Sarasota, Florida because it was a place for unique personalities and creative artists could come together and celebrate standing out. As a person trained in graphic design, she knew the importance of self-expression in her work. Now, she works with leaders to create cultures in which people can celebrate their unique characteristics, have freedom to express it, and transform vision into reality. We talk about giving permission to be audaciously authentic. She describes how our brand is in action all the time, and that as humans we are here to stand out. She talks about how she was influenced by Marty Selligman, the godfather of positive psychology, focusing on what works well and how to build on those successes. She also reinforces the point that before you have customers, you have employees, and that personal and professional development is not just about improving ourselves, but helping to improve others as well by being able to better show up for them. Judy Winslow https://unforgettablebrands.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judywins/

Springtime in New England is the worst. As I sit here on another cold and rainy “spring” day, I’m reminded of what I was told by someone when I first moved to Boston 25 years ago: “Springs in New England are wonderful.” I never trusted another word that person said after I experienced it for myself. Part of it is the waiting for something better that you hope is right around the corner in terms of sunny skies and warmer weather. And then two weeks later it will be 87 with 1000% humidity. But those two weeks of actual nice weather are pretty wonderful. But the waiting is rough, as transitions often are. Any kind of transition can be painful and wrought. Think about the transitions that you have gone through in your life, what it felt like, and what it took to get through it. It turns out that in many ways we are in another transition right now: something called Late-Stage Capitalism. We can look at the technological transitions taking place, the accumulation of wealth and the growing disparities it is bringing, environmental degradation, and the seemingly increasing number of financial crises as indicators of this transition being underway. But what comes next? To talk about social transformations and transitions, we welcome Jaime Schwartz to the Experience by Design studios. Jaime's expertise crosses a lot of areas, which is a good thing because we talk about the need to have breadth of knowledge and experience as we enter what he calls the Co-Creation Economy. Part of this lies in finding better ways for people to work together, using AI as a tool to help facilitate collaboration and flow. Another part of this is focused on helping corporations align their brands with a higher mission and purpose. Finally, we have co-creationism in art, where new technologies and approaches to expression create new ways of sharing, owning, and co-creating artistic expression. Overall, our conversation digs into how we successfully transition to embrace the promise that technological innovations have for making our lives better, and hopefully not being run over by it. And how by coming together we can accomplish great things. Team Flow Institute: https://teamflow.institute Mrkd Art: https://mrkd.artBrand Therapy: https://brandtherapy.coach