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How do you change someone's mind without being manipulative? In a
world where influence is a key leadership currency, the line between ethical persuasion and unethical manipulation can seem blurry.
To navigate this complex territory, Andy Lopata is joined by an expert in the art of communication, Paul du Toit. Paul is a 27-year speaking veteran, Africa’s first Certified speaking professional this century, and the author of three business books, including the timely "The Book of Persuasion." As an inductee into both the Southern African Speakers Hall of Fame and the Southern African Educators Hall of Fame, Paul brings decades of experience to the conversation.
Together, Andy and Paul dissect the crucial difference between persuading someone for mutual benefit and coercing them for personal gain. Paul emphasises that true persuasion is an art that strengthens relationships by ensuring decisions are made with free will and are built on a foundation of trust.
This conversation is a masterclass in the practical techniques of ethical influence. Discover why "engaged listening" is more powerful than active listening, how to ask questions that build rapport instead of feeling like an interrogation, and the four-step "Agree and Switch" method for overcoming resistance. Paul also shares powerful insights on the role of confidence, the impact of non-verbal cues in a virtual world, and what we can learn from charismatic figures.
What we discussed:
Persuasion vs. Manipulation: The critical distinction lies in intent and outcome. Persuasion aims to change minds while honouring free will and building long-term trust. Manipulation is coercive and often unethical, prioritising a short-term win over the relationship.
The Power of "Engaged Listening": Go beyond simply hearing words. Engaged listening involves focusing on the person, understanding the context behind what they're saying, and making them feel truly heard, which is the foundation of any persuasive conversation.
Asking Questions Strategically: The most effective persuasion comes from the information you gather. Learn how to ask for permission to ask questions, creating a dynamic where the other person willingly shares without feeling interrogated.
Charisma: Charismatic figures like Steve Jobs, Oprah, and Muhammad Ali weren't just born with it. Their incredible ability to persuade was often forged by overcoming immense adversity, combined with excellent oratory skills and a laser-focused vision.
SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODE
Connect with Andy Lopata: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | X/Twitter | YouTube
Connect with Paul du Toit: Website |LinkedIn | Instagram | YouTube
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