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Honing the carve-out craft with Aurelius

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With corporates looking to divest non-core businesses and private equity investors placing a renewed emphasis on value creation, carve-outs are climbing the agenda for many GPs. Harriet Matthews and Min Ho explore the factors behind current dealflow, with a guest interview with Tristan Nagler, partner at Aurelius.

According to Mergermarket data at the time of recording, EUR 190bn worth of carve-outs have taken place in EMEA in 2023 YTD, with EUR 39bn taking place in September and October alone. Competition for carve-outs also appears to be on the up, with more US players edging their way into the European market.

Following a discussion of headline data and upcoming deals, Harriet Matthews speaks to Tristan Nagler about the outlook for complex corporate carve-outs and how Aurelius approaches this market.

While a process can attract “a flurry of interest” at the start, the complex and uncertain nature of corporate carve-outs and the level of risk often means that there is “a high rate of attrition” in processes, according to Nagler.

Nagler discusses Aurelius’ outlook for carve-outs dealflow, including buyer and seller motivations, what makes a “good” carve-out, where the GP sees pockets of opportunities, and how ESG can be a dealbreaker for the firm.

In the final part of the episode, the Mergermarket team highlight some of their key takeaways from the interview, as well as the role of communication with unions in carve-out processes, and why carve-out strategies are appealing to LPs in the current market.

Intro – 0:27

Data and recent deals – 1:07

Dealflow drivers – 4:22

Who’s buying? – 7:26

Interview with Tristan Nagler, partner at Aurelius – 10:23

  • A wave of carve-outs? – 11:26
  • The changing buyside landscape – 16:25
  • What makes a “good” corporate carve-out? – 20:51
  • Pockets of opportunities – 23:39
  • Shoring up a target – 27:19
  • Value creation levers and Aurelius’ portfolio – 31:26
  • The role of ESG – 35:45

Key takeaways – 39:31

The role of unions and long-term goals – 42:01

The LP view – 45:06

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