Hillside PatternCast podcast

#26 - Shepherding That Makes a Difference with Rebecca Wirfs-Brock and Michael Salé

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In this episode, our host, Eduardo Guerra, talks with Rebecca Wirfs-Brock and Michael Salé about shepherding, a process at the heart of our patterns community. The discussion explores how thoughtful guidance can transform ideas, elevate work to its full potential, and unlock the deeper essence of patterns. They dive into the subtle craft of supporting others—balancing critique with care, fostering trust, and helping authors find clarity and confidence in their own voice. Whether you are in the role of author or shepherd, this conversation will challenge how you think about collaboration and inspire you to refine the way you help others grow.

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