State of AI with Nathan Benaich podcast

The case for intelligence beyond language

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Raia Hadsell, VP of Research at Google DeepMind, makes the case that intelligence is more than language: the same recipe that learns the patterns of text can learn the patterns of any complex system. She walks through DiffusionGemma and text diffusion, the Genie world models, and DeepMind's robotics stack, where world models now generate training data you cannot tell from the real thing. Recorded at RAAIS 2026.

Timestamps

0:00 Introduction (Nathan Benaich)

0:35 From philosophy to DeepMind: the frontiers of intelligence

2:37 The twenty-year lesson: one recipe for complex systems

4:34 DiffusionGemma and the Gemma 4 open models

5:32 How text diffusion works

7:34 Speed, self-correction, and the sudoku test

10:51 World models: better agents need better worlds

12:56 Genie 1 to Genie 3

15:01 Genie 3 demos: typing a world into being

18:20 World models for education

19:38 Grounding Genie in Street View

20:41 Robotics: a brain and a spine

23:14 Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6 and Boston Dynamics' Spot

24:42 The vision-language-action model

25:45 The data bottleneck and closing the loop

27:24 Beyond language: the domains still to crack


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