Confronting George Kamel on credit cards, student loans, and financial infidelity

Matt and Abby open up about what it feels like to raise boys in a moment where conversations around masculinity feel louder and more polarized than ever. They unpack the difference between healthy and unhealthy masculinity, how criticism aimed at grown men can be internalized by young boys, and the role social media plays in amplifying extremes. They also share their biggest hopes as parents — raising sons with strength, humility, emotional awareness, and a sense of purpose in a rapidly changing world. This episode is sponsored by Zoc Doc, Better Help, Kindred Bravely, Olipop, and Flamingo. Zoc Doc: Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED to find and instantly book a doctor you love today. Better Help:Sign up and get 10% off at https://BetterHelp/unplannedpodcast Kindred Bravely: Get 20% off your first order at https://KindredBravely.com/UNPLANNED with promo code UNPLANNED. Exclusions apply. OLIPOP: Get a free can of OLIPOP when you buy any 2 cans in store—just visit https://drinkolipop.com/unplanned Flamingo: Our listeners get the Flamingo Starter Set for just $7 at https://www.shopflamingo.com/unplanned Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

George and Whitney Kamel join Matt & Abby for an honest conversation about money, marriage, and what financial freedom actually looks like behind the scenes. Known from The Ramsey Show and Smart Money Happy Hour, George shares how he and Whitney followed the Dave Ramsey Baby Steps to pay off all their debt, eliminate their $165,000 mortgage in just 26 months, and reach millionaire status by age 32. They talk cutting up credit cards, renting vs. buying, why so many Americans feel stuck financially, and the real sacrifices required to become debt-free. We also answer listener questions about budgeting on one income, saving while paying off debt, and buying your first home, before putting George and Whitney to the test in a fun round of Agree to Disagree: Financial Edition. This episode is sponsored by Upwork, Little Spoon, Square, and Olipop. UPWORK: Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. LITTLE SPOON: Give them meals + snacks that are actually right for where kids are developmentally—balanced, intentional and made to support real growth. Go to https://littlespoon.com/UNPLANNED30 and enter code UNPLANNED30 for 30% off your first order. SQUARE: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at https://square.com/go/unplanned! #squarepod Chapters: 00:00 - George Kamel 02:17 - How we met 06:13 - Working for Dave Ramsey 07:42 - We got our wedding paid for 11:15 - Ramsey Solutions Baby Steps 22:08 - Getting out of debt 36:07 - Buying a house w/out a credit score 39:16 - Credit Cards 45:54 - Talking to our kids about finances 50:00 - How frugal are you really? 58:38 - Viewer questions 1:12:48 - Agree to Disagree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As they approach the due date of the daughter they lost last September, Matt and Abby open up about how this season has truly felt, how they’re coping with grief in everyday life, and what healing looks like while life keeps moving forward. If you or someone you know has experienced pregnancy loss and needs support, these are the resources we mentioned in the episode: The Pregnancy & Infant Loss Support Centre: https://PILSC.org Postpartum Support International: https://postpartum.net This episode is sponsored by Huel and Square. Huel: Limited Time Offer – Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code UNPLANNED15 at https://huel.com/unplanned15 New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at https://square.com/go/unplanned! #squarepod Chapters: 00:00 - Matt & Abby 02:16 - Life Update 18:09 - Wuthering Heights 29:12 - Our daughter's due date Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt’s parents are BACK and we made a questionable decision: play 'Never Have I Ever' together. We cover sexting, stalking an ex, reading each other’s private diaries, parenting fails, marriage boundaries, and the generational differences we did NOT see coming. This episode is sponsored by Little Spoon, UpWork, Olipop, Zocdoc & Nutrafol. Little Spoon: Give them meals + snacks that are actually right for where kids are developmentally—balanced, intentional and made to support real growth. Go to littlespoon.com/UNPLANNED30 and enter code UNPLANNED30 for 30% off your first order. UpWork: Visit https://Upwork.com right now and post your job for free Olipop: Buy any 2 cans of Olipop in store, and we'll pay you back for one Works on any flavor, any retailer https://drinkolipop.com/UNPLANNED Zocdoc: Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://Zocdoc.com/UNPLANNED to find and instantly book a doctor you love today. Nutrafol: For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit https://Nutrafol.com and enter promo code UNPLANNEDPOD Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Brock and Boston Mikesell join Matt & Abby for an honest conversation about growing up viral, getting married young, and navigating life as twin brothers in the public eye. Brock shares what it was like marrying his high school sweetheart Kesley after a short engagement and how marriage shifts the twin dynamic. We also play a hilariously Mormon coded game of Agree to Disagree. This episode is sponsored by Better Help, Shopify, and Cash App. BetterHelp: Sign up and get 10% off at https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast #ad Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at shopify.com/unplanned. Little Spoon: Give them meals + snacks that are actually right for where kids are developmentally—balanced, intentional and made to support real growth. Go to littlespoon.com/UNPLANNED30 and enter code UNPLANNED30 for 30% off your first order. Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/kssum24w #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Chapters: 00:00 - Brock Boston & Kesley 05:30 - Mormon Missions 14:33 - What do people get wrong about Mormons? 18:34 - Mormon 101 25:35 - Kesley and Brock meet cute 28:22 - Growing up on Youtube 34:30 - Young marriage 39:09 - Our unplanned moment 51:57 - Surviving a plane crash changed our lives 1:00:50 - Buying a house at 17 1:03:02 - Boston's Mission 1:15:46 - Agree to Disagree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt & Abby answer your real relationship dilemmas, no filters. From cheating and performance anxiety, nothing is off the table. Honest advice, awkward questions, and conversations most couples avoid. This episode is sponsored by Hiya, Nutrafol, Audible & Square. Hiya: Receive 50% off your first order. To claim this deal you must go to https://hiyahealth.com/UNPLANNED Nutrafol: Get $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping at https://nutrafol.com with promo code UNPLANNEDPOD. Audible: Listen to Jay Shetty's new Audible Original series Messy Love: Difficult Conversations for Deeper Connection—go to https://Audible.com/MessyLove to start listening today. Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/unplanned ! #squarepod Chapters: 00:00 - Answering your dilemmas 04:58 - My friend cheated on her fiancé 08:13 - My significant other is struggling with confidence 11:57 - My partner is always on their phone 16:36 - My spouses farts smell so bad 19:33 - My husband is experiencing performance anxiety 21:55 - Date night suggestions 25:48 - My husband won't move from our home state 27:40 - My husband's love language is not physical touch 30:17 - What will actually change when we get married? 31:28 - Should we wait for baby number 2? 35:45 - My mother in law smokes 39:19 - I'm never in the moooooood... 41:34 - How do we agree on when to get married? 44:25 - Should we postpone the wedding? 46:03 - The only thing that bothers me in our marriage 49:22 - How do we have more fun trying to get pregnant 53:38 - What are you thoughts about people getting back together 56:13 - How did you deal with waiting for marriage 58:18 - Advice for postpartum depression? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt & Abby respond to the assumptions people make about their marriage, money, parenting, and life online. From sex, swearing, and social media, nothing is off the table. It’s honest, self-aware, and way more nuanced than the internet thinks. This episode is sponsored by LMNT & Huel. LMNT: Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/unplanned Find your favorite LMNT flavor, or share with a friend. Huel: Grab Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code unplanned15 at https://huel.com/unplanned15 New Customers Only. Chapters: 00:00 - Addressing your assumptions about us 04:37 - You guys didn't actually wait for marriage 05:45 - You never cuss on the podcast 07:14 - Matt loves Abby way more than she loves him 08:29 - Y’all have sex every day 08:59 - You guys poop with the door open 09:39 - You guys are mad rich, like billionaires 13:03 - Abby makes Matt get pedicures 13:49 - Sponsor: LMNT 15:25 - Abby reads books and Matt reads Reels 17:06 - Abby always gets what she wants 17:46 - Abby secretly runs marathons 18:24 - Matt is the fun parent and Abby is the disciplinarian 19:30 - Matt has more social bandwidth 20:35 - You guys overthink 22:36 - Matt struggles with comparison 22:58 - Abby has to keep Matt in line 23:52 - Matt would thrive in a normal 9-5 25:27 - You actually hate doing social media 25:47 - You don't always agree with how much you share 27:35 - Matt reads comments way longer than Abby 27:58 - You've changed opinions just to avoid getting backlash 29:04 - Sponsor: Huel 32:14 - Matt thinks Abby could run the entire business 33:07 - Since getting more public backlash you are more cautious 33:53 - Being in the spotlight all the time is overwhelming 34:36 - Being good examples leaves less room to be fully yourselves 37:00 - You have a lot of help 38:46 - You miss life before kids 41:40 - You regret getting married so young 43:24 - Abby gets hit on and it messes with Matt 44:32 - You judge people who choose not to have kids 45:33 - Abby's parents still live with you 46:41 - You guys are superstitious 47:24 - Abby saves money and Matt likes to spend 50:46 - You don't drink alcohol 51:22 - Abby is a great singer 53:09 - You like it when fans say hi 54:31 - You don't like alone time 55:19 - You guys are soul mates from previous lives 55:51 - This podcast is going to end 58:19 - Y’all have sex every day (the return) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mark Manson joins Matt & Abby for a thoughtful, honest conversation about modern self-help, personal responsibility, and what actually leads to a meaningful life. They talk marriage as a “long conversation,” the dangers of toxic positivity, dating apps, friendship, death, and how Mark’s thinking has evolved since writing The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck. This episode is sponsored by Cash App, Audible, Square & Nutrafol. Cash App: Download Cash App Today: [https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/kssum24w #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Discounts and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.Audible: Go to https://Audible.com/MessyLove to start listening today.Square: Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/UNPLANNED! #squarepodNutrafol: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code UNPLANNEDPOD Chapters: 00:00 - Mark Manson 03:12 - Disappointment Panda 06:45 - Titling The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck 13:00 - sponsor: CashApp 14:37 - Religious influence 19:15 - Dangers of self help 21:59 - How my views have changed 23:50 - Personal responsibility 26:34 - sponsor: audible 27:44 - Children and purpose 34:41 - Importance of community 39:45 - sponsor: square 41:40 - Three factors of friendship 46:33 - Quality of Life 53:15 - sponsor: Nutrafol 56:25 - Death 1:00:16 - Marriage: the Long Conversation 1:03:19 - The trap of dating apps 1:07:53 - Keeping score in marriage 1:13:18 - Launching a new self help app Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt & Abby have an honest, thoughtful conversation about divorce, what the data actually says, and the seasons of marriage that tend to be the hardest. They talk through common reasons marriages struggle, indicators that often get ignored, and why they still believe in marriage, before closing with an Agree to Disagree segment and questions from listeners. This episode was sponsored by Rocket Money, OLIPOP & Shopify. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster—join at https://RocketMoney.com/unplanned Get a free can of OLIPOP when you buy any 2 cans in store—just visit https://drinkolipop.com/unplanned Sign up for your $1/month trial and start selling today at https://shopify.com/unplanned with promo code unplanned. Chapters: 00:00 - A messy conversation about divorce 01:39 - Getting married before 25 12:53 - sponsor: Rocket Money 14:18 - Most difficult periods of marriage 25:42 - sponsor: Olipop 28:52 - Largest indicators of divorce 30:34 - Most common reasons for divorce 33:28 - Jobs and divorce rates 40:40 - Benefits of marriage 42:58 - sponsor: Shopify 44:40 - Agree to Disagree 57:44 - Q&A Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tony Robbins and his wife Sage Robbins sit down with Matt & Abby for an honest conversation about marriage, love, and longevity. They open up about miscarriage, surrogacy, raising kids later in life, and what it really takes to stay connected through different seasons of a relationship. This episode is sponsored by LMNT, Hiya, BetterHelp & Cash App. LMNT: Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase at https://DrinkLMNT.com/UNPLANNED Hiya: Receive 50% off your first order of Hiya's best selling children's vitamin at https://hiyahealth.com/UNPLANNED BetterHelp: Sign up and get 10% off at https://BetterHelp.com/unplannedpodcast. #ad Cash App: Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/5u7gm6rr #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement Cash App Green, overdraft coverage, borrow, cash back offers and promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Chapters: 00:00 - Tony Robbins 01:27 - Secret to long marriage 02:41 - Struggles with miscarriages 05:20 - Parenting then vs. Parenting now 11:07 - I'm Not Your Guru 16:58 - The love my parents modelled 24:10 - Your relationship as seasons 34:35 - Fertility journey 41:47 - Surrogacy 52:37 - Soul Recognition 54:38 - Raising our daughter as a product of love 59:34 - Working with your spouse 1:09:45 - Everyone's deepest fear 1:14:49 - Responsibility is freedom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices