9: The Unknown

A witness says she saw Shelley Watkins and her husband Jerry Mack screaming and shoving each other at the lake on the day Shelley was murdered. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

E. Ray Andrews has died. In this bonus episode, Carol and Wes explain why E. Ray's passing will unlock a central mystery of the bribery scheme that helped Jerry Mack Watkins go free after the murder of his wife Shelley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We talk about Jerry Mack's son from a previous relationship, Kay's first husband Dennis, and whether the district attorney will retry Shelley's case in this bonus Q&A episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DNA from an unknown male was on the materials when Shelley Watkins' body was recovered from the Trinity River. We finally found out what the Sheriff's Office has done with that DNA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How many people did Billy Chemirmir actually kill? Will we ever know? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After the shocking mistrial of November 2021, families go back to the courthouse in Dallas. Will justice be served this time? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why did so many well-trained investigators miss the killing spree of Billy Chemirmir? And what does that mean for other unsolved murders? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Was Billy Chemirmir a brilliant criminal mastermind? Or just lucky enough to slip through the cracks of a broken patchwork system?  More importantly, which reality is more terrifying? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Should Billy Chemirmir be put to death for killing dozens of older adults in and around Dallas? That's what prosecutors had to decide in early 2019. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The morning after Mary Bartel was attacked, police identify a suspect in her attempted murder. His arrest leads them to one last body. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices