Leading Hearts and Minds Through Turbulent Times with Owen Fitzpatrick

What do leaders need to understand about how beliefs shape people's responses to change? Kevin sits down with Owen Fitzpatrick to talk about the idea of "inner propaganda" and why changing beliefs requires more than logic, evidence, or data. Owen explains that for a new belief to take hold, it first needs to feel right, fit with a person's identity, and then make sense. They discuss five kinds of truth—objective, past, emotional, shared, and desired—and how they shape how people see the same situation differently. Owen also shares why our brains can act as "double agents," the idea of the "inner dictator." Kevin and Owen go into how leaders can challenge these internal stories by asking whether a belief is useful and helping them achieve what they want. Owen's Story: Owen Fitzpatrick is the author of Inner Propaganda: Leading Hearts and Minds Through Turbulent Times. He is a social psychologist who has studied propaganda firsthand in North Korea, Rwanda, and Afghanistan. He studied the science of influence at Harvard and MIT. His TEDx Talk has been viewed more than 1.4 million times, and he has delivered keynotes and leadership training for organizations like Google, LinkedIn, Citibank, Morgan Stanley, and Coca-Cola across 33 countries. He is also an award-winning filmmaker and storyteller. Connect with Owen Fitzpatrick http://www.innerpropaganda.com/ https://owenfitzpatrick.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/owenfitzp/ https://owenfitzpatrick.com/podcast/ https://www.facebook.com/ofi23 https://x.com/owenfitzp https://www.instagram.com/owenf23/ https://www.youtube.com/user/owenjf23 Timestamps 0:00 Intro 1:26 Meet Owen Fitzpatrick 2:44 Why Owen wrote Inner Propaganda 5:25 The big idea: a belief has to feel right first 8:30 Why this matters for AI adoption 9:53 Why "propaganda," and what belief leadership means 13:31 The five kinds of truth 18:11 Alan Mulally, Ford, and the red slide 20:40 Your brain is a double agent 23:27 Challenging your inner dictator 25:22 Who do we want to be now? 27:31 What Owen is reading 30:48 Where to find Owen and the book 32:14 Now what? --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. 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How can leaders build organizations that remain responsive and successful through constant disruption? Kevin sits down with Ron Robinson to explore what makes a company resilient in the face of economic uncertainty, social change, climate events, and rapidly evolving technology. Ron explains why leaders must look beyond financial results and strengthen four interconnected areas of the business: finances, operations, employees, and customers. They discuss how involving employees in budgeting, problem-solving, recruiting, and process improvement can reduce costs, increase responsiveness, and create greater ownership throughout the organization. Ron also introduces the value of internal mastermind groups, where employees closest to the work meet regularly to share knowledge, identify improvements, and respond more quickly to challenges. Ron's Story: Ron Robinson is the author of Practices of Resilient Companies: Overcome Disruption with Compassion, Collaboration and Knowledge. He has consulted with and helped turn around enterprises ranging from Fortune 500 companies to mid-size organizations to startups. He has presented to audiences as large as 3,000 and facilitated groups as large as 300 participants. http://www.ronspeaking.com/ http://ronspeaking.substack.com/ Book Recommendations Practices of Resilient Companies by Ron Robinson On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder Like this? Leadership Resilience with Ama Marston Resilience Beyond Crisis with Lynn Perry Wooten Timestamps 0:00 Why organizations, not just people, need resilience 0:42 Housekeeping and the podcast action guide 1:29 Introducing Ron Robinson 2:15 Why Ron wrote the book 3:18 Organizational vs. individual resilience 3:51 The four disruptors 8:00 The four parts of every business 11:05 Strengthening finances through employees 13:12 Mastermind groups fix a low-margin company 15:22 Recruiting and retention 17:28 Customers, AI, and the human touch 19:18 Scorecards: how to measure resilience 23:04 Internal masterminds: Toyota and Honda 26:03 What Ron is reading 26:53 Where to learn more about Ron 27:27 The most important question: now what? --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. 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Do you have a training calendar? Great — but that doesn't mean you have a learning culture. In this episode, I break down what a learning culture actually is: the way we do things around here, when it comes to learning. I share five things you can do to help build (or evaluate) that culture in your own organization — reframing learning, recognizing it, promoting questions, celebrating progress, and allowing mistakes. Want direct, real-time access to world-class thought leaders? Join us at Virtual LeaderCon — pick a session or attend it all, for free. Register at https://virtualleadercon.com  --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts    Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group  

How can you become your own coach when facing a tough leadership problem? In this episode, Kevin talks with Dr. Katie Best about how leaders can coach themselves through complex challenges by slowing down and understanding the context. She shares her SOLVE model: State the problem, Open the box, Lay out the solution, Venture forth, and Elevate your learning. They discuss why leaders often rush to action before clearly defining the real problem, how research and observation can reveal patterns, and why being "fairly sure" is often enough to move forward in an uncertain world. Katie also explains how pre-mortems can help leaders anticipate what might go wrong and how organizations can create a common language for better problem-solving, decision-making, and psychological safety. Book Recommendations The Ten Toughest Leadership Problems by Katie Best  Flexible Leadership by Kevin Eikenberry Moxie by Jennifer Mathieu  Micro-Habits by Jake Humphrey and Damian Hughes Like this? Reframing Problems with Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg The Coaching Effect with Bill Eckstrom Listen For 0:00 Introduction 0:41 How to Join the Live Podcast 1:27 Free Action Guide + Meet Dr. Katie Best 2:20 Why Katie Wrote The Ten Toughest Leadership Problems 4:16 What Makes This Book Different: Context Over One-Size-Fits-All 6:41 Self-Coaching vs. Hiring a Real Coach 8:06 Introducing the SOLVE Model 8:28 S – State the Problem 9:00 O – Open the Box 10:23 L – Lay Out Your Solution 11:55 V – Venture Forth 13:37 Overthinking vs. Rushing to a Solution 14:40 How Do You Know When You Have Enough Data? 16:45 E – Elevate Your Learning 17:53 The Power of a Pre-Mortem 20:11 Coaching Is Problem Solving in Disguise 21:06 Where AI Fits Into Leadership Problems 23:10 Using SOLVE at the Organizational Level 26:31 What Katie Best Is Reading 28:18 How to Connect With Katie Best 29:24 The Activation Question --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

"We don't have time for training." I hear it constantly — and honestly, that's okay. Training isn't the only tool in your learning toolkit. In this episode, I share four ways to build development into the work itself, without blocking extra time: creating reflection time, building learning channels, encouraging people to share what they're learning, and applying today's tools. None of these replace training — but they don't require it either. Speaking of learning without blocking off extra time: you can get 45 minutes to an hour with a world-class thought leader for free at Virtual LeaderCon. Find a session for you and your team, and register at no cost: https://virtualleadercon.com/ 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts    Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group  

How can you transform leadership development from a one-time event into an organization-wide learning process? In this special episode, Kevin shares how organizations and leaders can use Virtual LeaderCon to improve leadership at the individual and enterprise levels. He highlights leadership insights from past events, including the importance of being willing to say, "I don't know"; stepping aside to allow others to succeed; focusing on leadership techniques rather than personality; setting priorities; and recognizing that organizations often have more of a listening problem than a knowledge problem. Kevin also discusses how organizations can put learning into practice by dividing sessions among leaders, organizing lunch-and-learns, establishing learning pairs, and connecting sessions to development goals. Join us for Virtual LeaderCon: https://virtualleadercon.com/ Like this? Nurturing a Team That Flourishes with Dan Pontefract Why How We Work Matters with André Martin How Change Really Works with Kristy Ellmer Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts   

When you're training leaders, here's a question worth asking yourself: are your people watching you do the things you're asking them to do? In this episode, I talk about why it's not whether someone attended a training that matters. It's whether they're taking action on it. And if you want your people to actually change their behavior, there are two questions you have to answer honestly: do they know what's expected, and are you modeling it yourself? Words and knowledge matter. But behavior matters more. Want a free way to help the leaders in your organization put this into practice? Check out Virtual LeaderCon. Learn more and sign up for free at https://VirtualLeaderCon.com   --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

How can leaders use data to make better decisions and drive real change? In this episode, Kevin talks with Sebastian Wernicke about why so many organizations invest heavily in data and AI yet still struggle to achieve breakthrough results. Sebastian explains the difference between being data-driven, data-frustrated, and data-inspired. He believes that data should not only confirm and optimize what organizations already do but also challenge assumptions, reveal unexpected possibilities, and inspire new directions. They explore common myths about data, including the belief that it is always objective, that deeper analysis will automatically reveal the right answer, and that complex decisions can be reduced to a simple yes or no. Sebastian also shares why leaders must balance depth with decisiveness and become more comfortable with uncertainty and probability. They also discuss the opportunities and risks of AI, particularly its tendency to fill in gaps and generate appealing answers based on hidden assumptions. About Sebastian Wernicke Sebastian Wernicke, Ph.D., is the author of Data Inspired: Building an Organizational Culture of Inquiry for Lasting Transformation. He is a partner at Oxera Consulting, one of Europe's oldest economics and finance consultancies, where he leads the data science and AI practice. Sebastian is a leading expert in data and AI strategy and a former Chief Data Scientist. For two decades, he has guided organizations around the world to achieve breakthrough transformation through the power of data. His ability to make complex topics around data accessible, engaging, and actionable has made Sebastian a sought-after speaker and workshop facilitator. His three acclaimed TED Talks have reached over 5 million viewers. For more information, follow Sebastian Wernicke on LinkedIn or visit www.datainspired.org. Resources Mentioned Data Inspired: Building an Organizational Culture of Inquiry for Lasting Transformation by Sebastian Wernicke Flexible Leadership: Navigate Uncertainty and Lead with Confidence by Kevin Eikenberry  The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, and the Quest for Superintelligence by Sebastian Mallaby Timestamps 0:00 Introduction — why "data driven" isn't the whole story 1:55 Meet Sebastian Wernicke & his book, Data Inspired 3:13 Why Sebastian wrote the book 6:02 Data driven vs. data frustrated vs. data inspired 10:33 The 3 myths about data — setting the stage 11:48 Myth #1: Data isn't objective truth 13:18 Myth #2: The three TV shows example 17:15 Myth #3: Data won't give you a clean yes-or-no 18:37 Embracing complexity (and getting comfortable with discomfort) 20:04 Why this is really a culture problem, not a tech problem 23:08 Balancing depth and decisiveness in decision-making 26:09 Machine learning vs. today's AI — what's actually different 30:29 Resisting the "AI will make it easy" temptation 32:09 Purpose first, data second 34:14 What Sebastian's reading & where to find him 36:19 Closing: what are you going to do about it? --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

You send people to training. They come back, and... nothing changes. So whose fault is that — the training? The trainer? The learner? Actually, there's a fourth option: you. There are two conversations every leader should be having around any training their team attends — one before, one after — and most of us aren't having either one consistently. In this episode, I walk through exactly what to say and ask in both conversations, so the training you're investing in actually turns into changed behavior. If you've got newer frontline leaders you want to set up for success, this is exactly the gap our From Bud to Boss program is built to close. Learn more: https://kevineikenberry.com/bud-to-boss/  🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

How can leaders adapt their approach to give people what they need in each specific situation? In this episode, Kevin is joined by Suzie Bishop and Sam Shriver to revisit situational leadership and discuss why this decades-old model may be more relevant than ever. They explain how effective leadership begins by clearly identifying the task, skill, or behavior involved, then assessing an individual's ability, confidence, commitment, and motivation before choosing the right leadership response. Kevin, Suzie, and Sam discuss why no leadership style is inherently good or bad, how empowerment can feel like abandonment and direction can feel like micromanagement when misapplied, and why leaders must step beyond their comfort zones to serve others' needs. Listen For 0:00 Why Situational Leadership still matters after 50 years 3:13 Why write this book now 5:17 The big idea: adaptability 6:50 What "situational" actually means 8:11 How the model got typecast — and where it's expanded 12:55 The primer: task, readiness, and the R1–R4 scale 15:49 Where leaders get "style" wrong 23:15 "Power is the battery of leadership" 25:56 Leading through disruptive change 28:34 Situational leadership in the age of AI 32:12 The best next step for your organization 36:11 What are you reading? About Suzie & Sam Suzie Bishop and Sam Shriver are the authors of Situational Leadership®: The Model for Leading Others, Navigating Change, and Unlocking Performance. Suzie is an established leader in workplace education and leadership development, currently serving as Vice President of Product Development at The Center for Leadership Studies (CLS). She holds a Bachelor's degree in Communication and Media from North Carolina State University. A Certified Professional in Training Management (CPTM) and Stakeholder Centered Coach, Suzie is also a Marshall Goldsmith 100 Coach and a Thirty Under Thirty Leader recognized by Elliot Masie. Sam has over 45 years of experience with the Situational Leadership® Model, executive coaching, human behavior, and leadership development. A frequent contributor to industry publications, Sam also co-authors a leadership column with Marshall Goldsmith for Training Industry Magazine and publishes regular blogs, white papers, and articles on emerging trends in learning and development. His work has been recognized by Bersin, Brandon Hall, and the Association for Talent Development. Deeply inspired by his team's commitment to delivering transformative learning experiences, Sam focuses on reintroducing the Situational Leadership® Model to the next generation of leaders to help them build meaningful impact within their organizations. CONNECT WITH Suzie Bishop and Sam Shriver Website: https://situational.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/suzie-bishop/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-shriver-6479763/   RESOURCES MENTIONED Situational Leadership: The Model for Leading Others, Navigating Change, and Unlocking Performance by Sam Shriver and Suzie Bishop Management of Organizational Behavior by Paul Hersey, Kenneth H. Blanchard, and Dewey E. Johnson Flexible Leadership: Navigate Uncertainty and Lead with Confidence by Kevin Eikenberry Lessons from Leaders Volume 1: Practical Lessons for a Lifetime of Leadership by Marshall Goldsmith, Sam Shriver, and Kathy McDermott  Heart the Lover by Lily King  Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman  --- 🎧 Subscribe and Listen to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast Apple Podcasts: https://remarkablepodcast.com/applepodcasts  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4G4KyDG8rvNcvVVbgwKGIl  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1ad13b5c-68f3-4a03-9a4a-e5f1485c5cb2/the-remarkable-leadership-podcast  iHeartRadio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/256-the-remarkable-leadership-30949517/  RSS: http://remarkablepodcast.libsyn.com/rss  Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERS: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://flexibleleadershipbook.com/  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops  ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media: https://kevineikenberry.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry  https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry  https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/  About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. 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