The Doug Wilson Interview

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Meet an anonymous woman who grew up around Jim and Bessie Wilson (Doug's parents), Theresa Smith who married in to the CREC, and Nathan and Christiana Wells (Moscow residents) on the reputation of the church.   Follow Doug Wilson Says on Social Media: Twitter: https://x.com/dougwilsonsays Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dougwilsonsays Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dougwilsonsays Website: https://dougwilsonsays.com   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Nerds of history, political theory, and political theology, this is your episode! Everyone else? Figure out where this thing called Christian Nationalism came from. Catholic Integralism is both intellectually superior of, and far more historically grounded counterpart to Christian Nationalism. Kevin Vallier (Professor of Philosophy at the University of Toledo) discusses the rise of Catholic Integralism, the Protestant response, and where Christian Nationalism fits into that picture (if it does at all). From Catholic Integralism, we move forward a few hundred hears to the founding of the American Republic. Jerome Copulsky (Research Fellow at the Berkley Center at Georgetown University) analyzes the political and religious traditions of the 18th and 19th centuries, dispelling rumors about America's founding while providing a politically (and religiously) robust reading of the nation's constitution and supporting documents.   All the Kingdoms of the World by Kevin Vallier: https://shorturl.at/wpj4b American Heretics by Jerome Copulsky: https://shorturl.at/kJPZi   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Link to pre-order bonuses: https://tinyurl.com/3z4jdtsb Link to download of the introduction and first chapter: https://tinyurl.com/mwnssprc   Marissa Franks Burt (MA in Theological Studies, Columbia International University) is a novelist, editor, teacher, and cohost of the At Home with the Lectionary and In the Church Library podcasts. She lives in a small town in Washington's Snoqualmie Valley with her husband, six children, and heaps of books. Kelsey Kramer McGinnis (PhD, University of Iowa) is a musicologist, educator, and correspondent for Christianity Today, writing on worship practices and Christian subculture. She is an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines and previously worked at the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights. The book is available for pre-order across platforms: https://tinyurl.com/2tcvf7ur Find the book on Amazon: https://tinyurl.com/2tcvf7ur Order from Baker for guaranteed release day delivery: https://tinyurl.com/bdy23p63 Bookshop book link: https://tinyurl.com/mtah5k4t Audible link: https://tinyurl.com/2p8yn4py   Marissa's Social Profiles: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mburtwrites/ Threads: https://www.threads.com/@mburtwrites Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mburtwrites/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mburtwrites.bsky.social TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mburtwrites Substack: https://substack.com/@mburtwrites YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDDTpI4RUeRX2R1eM5R6-oA Website: https://www.marissaburt.com   Kelsey's Social Profiles: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kelseykmcginnis/ Threads: https://www.threads.com/@kelseykmcginnis Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kelsey.kramermcginnis Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/kkramermcginnis.bsky.social TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kelseykmcg?lang=en Substack: https://substack.com/@kelseykramermcginnis In the Church Library podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-the-church-library/id1804968736   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Meet Tony, Kalina, and Kallie. Tony is the former Chief Operating Officer at New Saint Andrews College in Moscow, Idaho. Kalina is a former member of Church of the King CREC in Santa Cruz, California. Kallie is a former member of Christ Church and student at Logos School in Moscow, Idaho.   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Join Sarah Bader and Peter Bell as they break down Ross Douthat's interview with Doug Wilson for The New York Times. Full interview here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/09/opinion/doug-wilson-america-religion-theocracy.html   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Here's Keely Emerine-Mix's debate with Doug Wilson from 2006: http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/Church_Debate_Mix_Wilson_071106.htm.   The tremors of Christian Nationalism have reached the nation. In this episode we interact with Tucker Carlson, Doug Wilson, Joel Webbon, Stephen Wolfe, and many other major players of the Christian Nationalist movements. There are strands of this movement you need to learn about, their major players, their specific policies, and much more.   This begins our five-part series on Christian Nationalism. Buckle up, it'll be a bumpy ride.   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Meet Sarah Bader, the heartbeat of this podcast and the hero of so many in Moscow.   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Meet Emilie Paige Dye, who spoke out in 2020 about the abuse she underwent at Logos School during her time as a high school student.   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   The emergence of the Young, Restless, and Reformed in the late 1990s and 2000s didn't come out of nowhere. Most were known by their rhetorical power, calvinistic soteriology, and movement-building prowess. But they've all got a spiritual father, a Patriarch, if you will.   Maybe you listened to the 2021 podcast series "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill," and wondered, "Where did Driscoll come from?" Well, he took what Doug Wilson had written, and preached it. Driscoll appealed to men like never before, with an in-your-face message, that beat you up and left you satisfied, longing for more. Many others have followed in his wake, but like all modern philosophers to Plato, they're simply building on Wilson.   Listen in as we talk with Nick Gier, Professor Emeritus at the University of Idaho (Doug's former professor), and Russell Moore, Editor in Chief at Christianity Today, about Doug's beginnings, those whom he's influenced, and where they see this going.   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.

Media inquiries: https://www.sonsofpatriarchy.com/contact Patreon: patreon.com/sonsofpatriarchy Website: sonsofpatriarchy.com Donate: https://donorbox.org/sons-of-patriarchy   Doug Wilson and Emilie Dye were front page of The Wall Street Journal this past weekend. Sarah Bader and Peter Bell sat down with Emilie Dye for an honest and raw conversation of what REALLY happened in the mid 2010s. Doug, Christ Church, and Logos School have to answer for what they've covered up.   Groomed to Submit: Abuse in the CREC, Part 2 - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sons-of-patriarchy/id1772141068?i=1000676023653 Doug Wilson Wants the U.S. to Be a Christian Republic. MAGA is Listening - https://www.wsj.com/us-news/douglas-wilson-wants-the-u-s-to-be-a-christian-republic-maga-is-listening-d4339e45?st=iL97Ee&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink   Sons of Patriarchy is brought to you by: Producer, Writer, Editor, and Host: Peter Bell Original Music, Sound Design, and Mixing: https://aaronfeeneymusic.com/ Social Media: Sarah Bader Graphic Design: Anonymous Survivors   SURVIVORS - THANK YOU, AND MAY YOU BE HEARD.