#76: The one that got us banned from a country we cannot mention

In this episode, Jyri and Pilvi have been fished out from the pool and summer vacays to discuss privacy–and they desperately try to be optimistic, it’s summer, after all. Whippii. In this episode, we wallow in the following cases: TikTok Class Action in Germany (2000€ for the innocence of a child? How does that work? ) What is happening in the USA… (DOGE access to personal data, Palantir, migrant children’s data collected in data banks…Privacy and Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB) in crisis?) …and should folks in the EU be taking steps to prepare for the fall of DPF and should the EU start to become  independent from the US tech giants? Denmark is leading the way? Spotify SEK 58 million fines remains, no luck with appeals. Japan gets a new AI law – with no penalties – innovation first. Meta replaces people with AI to oversee privacy A Dentist in France gets 50 000€ in damages from Google as they failed to remove negative reviews and their classic argument based on freedom of expression fails.   So crack open a cold one, forgive us for our damaged personalities, and hit play.   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]   LINKS: USA (below or open any news site): https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/politics/supreme-court-restores-doges-access-to-sensitive-social-security-data https://www.wired.com/story/cbp-dna-migrant-children-fbi-codis/ https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html   Denmark says no more: https://www.thelocal.dk/20250603/danish-cities-drop-microsoft-over-trump-policies-and-financial-concerns   Spotify fines: https://www.imy.se/tillsyner/spotify-ratten-till-tillgang/   Japan and new AI law: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/05/28/japan/japan-ai-law/   META and AI: https://www.npr.org/2025/05/31/nx-s1-5407870/meta-ai-facebook-instagram-risks   Dentist got dough out of Google: https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=CA_-_RG_n%C2%B0_22/01814&mtc=today  

In this Joost’s Case Corner episode Joost, Pilvi and Jyri discuss running and privacy. In fact, the cases on our chopping block today highlights that no matter how complex privacy is, it always comes back to the basic simple questions—that are anything but simple.   The chopping block serves you today the following cases: Meta v EDPB [T-319/24, 29 April 2025] → Meta challenged the EDPB’s opinion about consent or pay and asked some dough for it as well–did they really think they would get some cash out of it? And how legally binding are these opinions? CJEU Inspektorat kam Visshia sadeben savet [C-313/23, C-316/23, C-332/23, 30 April 2025] → Corruption and anti-corruption: Can national courts intervene in how supervisory authorities work? CJEU Amt der Tiroler Landesregierung [C-638/23] → can *something* be a controller without it being a legal entity? This case’s decision is a pot of gold for all litigators. CJEU Russmedia Digital and Inform Media Press [C-492/23] → case about an ad that advertised someone selling sexual services without the knowledge of the said someone who absolutely did not sell sexual services. Who is the controller here?  So push play and enjoy! Also a massive shout out to Sean Quinn who supported our podcast by buying us coffee.. You made our day, week, and year! Be like Sean, click the link below.   Links: Meta v EDPB [T-319/24, 29 April 2025] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:62024TO0319 Inspektorat kam Visshia sadeben savet [C-313/23, C-316/23, C-332/23, 30 April 2025] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62023CJ0313 Amt der Tiroler Landesregierung [C-638/23] https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf;jsessionid=5A19CB5FFBBA10630CAA5E780ED68940?text=&docid=297537&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=54213 CJEU Russmedia Digital and Inform Media Press [C-492/23] https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2025-02/cp250014en.pdf   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]

In this Joost’s Case Corner episode Joost, Jyri, and Pilvi discuss why Netherlands you should go to Netherlands as well as some of the latest CJEU cases. On our chopping block today, are: CJEU Deldits [C-247/23] aka. Hungary v. GDPR and LGBTQ+ rights: GDPR and transgender identity: the rectification of data relating to gender identity cannot be made conditional upon proof of surgery. Spoiler alerts: we are still proud to be Europeans as the GDPR stood for the side of the good. CJEU Dun & Bradstreet Austria [C-203/22] Automated credit assessment: the data subject is entitled to an explanation as to how the decision was taken in respect of him or her. What about where and how to draw the line for the trade secrets?   These, and an excellent conversation about why carrots are orange (spoiler alert: it has all to do with Netherlands) awaits you!    Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected] Joost’s Case Corner–why the carrots are orange

In this episode Jyri and Pilvi try to overcome their urge to discuss anything else but privacy and just be negative and tired of how the world is going, and after a while they actually somewhat succeed in that–or perhaps succeed is a bit of a strong word.  In any case, we discuss the current world politics situation and how it might affect the DPF and data transfers to China, not to mention that Latombe I had its day in court. The political situation might also affect the coming GDPR revamp, but in which way? We also discuss the following cases: Meta’s and X’s decisions to teach their AIs with public posts by its users and what the Hamburg, Irish, and Norwegian DPAs have to say about it; A case from ireland: Is the employer a controller for the employee’s personal life data in their work phone? Amazon losing the appeal for MEUR 746 GDPR fines; Spanish DPA giving out EUR 500K fine for the processor that added sub-processors without a proper authorization by the controller. This, and much more that you never wanted to hear on this episode!   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]   LINKS: Meta & X’s AI decisions: https://datenschutz-hamburg.de/news/meta-starts-ai-training-with-personal-data   https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/14/meta-to-start-training-its-ai-models-on-public-content-in-the-eu/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/irish-regulator-investigates-x-over-use-eu-personal-data-train-grok-ai-2025-04-11/?utm_source=chatgpt.com   Hypothetical damages: https://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/cgi-bin/rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bgh&Art=en&Datum=Aktuell&Sort=12288&nr=140810&anz=1159&pos=12 https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=BGH_VI_ZR_109/23&mtc=today Work phone: https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=High_Court_-_McShane_v_Data_Protection_Commission_(2025)_IEHC_191&mtc=today   Amazon fines: https://www.reuters.com/technology/amazon-loses-court-fight-against-record-812-mln-luxembourg-privacy-fine-2025-03-19/?utm_source=chatgpt.com   Spanish fines: https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=AEPD_(Spain)_-_EXP202307719&mtc=today

Once again, Pilvi and Jyri are joined by the legendary Joost, in another episode of Joost Case Corner and the magic of European Court of Justice (and Court of First Instance) case law!   In this episode, Pilvi and Jyri (with some connection issues but not to worry Phil and all Jyri fans–he’s there!) discuss the following cases with Joost Gerritsen: Case T-354/22: Judgment of the General Court in Bindl v. Institutions, commission (Can an unlawful data transfer to the USA be annulled? Also, 400€ damages for an unlawful transfer of IP Address via Facebook by the EU. A case that highlights the importance of DPF and the difficulties to function if it should fall.) Case C-394/23: Mousse Jan 9 2025 Association Mousse v Commission nationale de l'informatique et des libertés (CNIL) and SNCF Connect. (A data subject was forced to pick a salutation (monsieur/madame) when buying a train ticket because the train company wanted to send marketing, this case made us happy to live in Europe in these st/o+range times.) Case C‑416/23, Österreiche Datenschutzbehörde (Can a Data Protection Authority tell a data subject to stop filing complaints and stick to no more than 2 complaints per month?) We also take a look at what court cases are cooking in the Court of Justice of the European Union and ready for us to enjoy soon!‘   This episode will be a great treat while prepping for the end of the world, so do listen in!   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]       Links: Case T-354/22: https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2025-01/cp250001en.pdf Case C-394/23: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/fi/TXT/?uri=CELEX:62023CJ0394 Case C‑416/23: https://www.euractiv.com/section/tech/news/eu-court-rules-gdpr-complaints-cant-be-rejected-based-on-frequency/  

It’s 2025 and the world is a little crazier… and more orange. So the tea is hot in the global privacy scene indeed, and Jyri and Pilvi are totally here for it.  Not to worry, we don’t want to cause extra heartbeats this early in the year by speculating if the DPF will stand through this new orange era of madn…interesting times, but it is absolutely the right time to take a look at China.  We start with discussing the drama regarding TikTok and where we are with that and continue with the news that shook the markets and tech world: DeepSeek. Both cases are closely related to privacy concerns and international politics: what does this all look like from the EU’s perspective? The Italian Data Protection Authority is already on the case DeepSeek: what could possibly be their concerns? And how is NOYB after controllers connected to China? We also discusst the power struggle between the Irish authority DPC and European Data Protection Board (EDPB) regarding a NOYB case where the EU Court had to intervene, the new EDPB position paper on the crossroads of competition law and privacy as well as the guideline on pseudonymisation. Oh, and we also go through some latest fines from France.  All this and much more from this disturbingly optimistic episode!   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]

Today’s episode is perfect for the holiday season - or maybe you don’t want to think about work stuff during holidays? Oh well, you are very welcome to join the ride with Laura and Pilvi when they discuss consent or pay -models with Filip Sedefov.  What is the topic really about? Are we regulating/focusing on the right things? Is personal data a tradable commodity that you can exchange for free services? What has all this to do with the values we wish we had and what we actually live by? Is the pay or consent just about making money while stomping on people’s rights or can it actually be seen as an improvement from the current state of affairs?  Listen in to hear our hosts exploring the arguments while playing all types of devils’ advocates from “people will not be able to make informed decisions” to “this is about safeguarding users’ autonomy” and everything in between.  With this episode we’ll wrap up the year 2024 and wish all our 7 (+ Joost’s wife and dog = 9) listeners happy holidays and a Schrems III-free 2025!   LINKS: https://www.edpb.europa.eu/news/news/2024/edpb-consent-or-pay-models-should-offer-real-choice_en    Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Twitter: https://twitter.com/PodPrivacy, #privacypod Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]

Gather around the fire, children, and listen closely: it is time once again to enjoy CJEU case law in the best possible way with Joost’s Case Corner! Yes, Jyri and Pilvi join forces again with the amazing Joost Gerritsen and dive right back into the CJEU Super Friday cases. In this episode, we will cover: Case C-200/23, Agentsia po vpisvaniyata (A Bulgarian case about whether an individual has the right to ask the agency to delete their personal data from the company registry, the scope of legal obligation as a legal basis, whether signatures are personal data, and if the official opinion of the Data Protection Authority can shield a controller from liabilities if the court disagrees with the DPA’s opinion.) Case C-4/23, Mirin (If a first name and sex/gender are changed in one member state, must other member states recognize it as well?) Case C-768/21, Land Hessen (Does the DPA have an obligation to exercise corrective power in all cases of data breaches, particularly to impose a fine, at the demand of the data subject?) As a bonus, we also cover the following cases: C-169/23, Masdi (A Hungarian case focusing on Article 14(5)(c): does the article exempt controllers from their obligation to inform data subjects when the data processing—obtaining or disclosure—derives from national law?) C-80/23, Ministerstvo na vatreshnite raboti (A Bulgarian case about the Law Enforcement Directive (LED) regarding the concept of “strict necessity” in the context of biometric and genetic data collection for creating police records.) So lean back, close your eyes, reward yourself for making it to December of this eventful year, and let the velvety voice of Joost carry you to the wonderful wonderland of CJEU Case Law. Darling, we got you.   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us coffee here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]   Links: Case C-200/23, Agentsia po vpisvaniyata: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62023CN0200 Case C-4/23, Mirin: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/documents.jsf?num=C-4/23 Case C-768/21, Land Hessen: https://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?lgrec=fr&td=%3BALL&language=en&num=C-768/21&jur=C C-169/23, Masdi: https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=AG_-_C-169/23_-_M%C3%A1sdi  

Tired of keeping up with all the CJEU case law? Want to prepare  yourself for all the cool discussions at the IAPP Brussels event? Not to worry! The Joost’s Case Corner covering the CJEU Super Friday cases has landed for you to enjoy. In the first of two of the Super Friday episodes, we will cover: Case C-21/23 Lindenapotheke (What is Art 9 data and what’s not? Can companies rat out each other regarding compliance with the GDPR (and is it smart)?) Case C-621/22 KNLT (Can a commercial interest constitute legitimate interest? We also get a brief history of this case and learn to understand the Dutch DPA a bit better and cover some hot tea on the subject.) Case C-446/21 Schrems v Facebook (Can you process publicly disclosed information on sexual orientation for targeted advertising just because it is public information?) We also learn about the most awesome Dutch legal term “breaking through the wall” and Olaus Petri (a priest who lived 1493-1552, in Swedish Olof Persson, who is still an important character in Finnish law) while discussing legal theory of EU law.  So take a good breath, let all the stress of November leave your mind, and enjoy the awesome drama that is CJEU case law!   Links: Case C-21/23 Lindenapotheke https://curia.europa.eu/juris/documents.jsf?num=C-21/23 Case C-621/22 KNLT https://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=290688&pageIndex=0&doclang=EN&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=4086618 Case C-446/21 Schrems v Facebook https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62021CJ0446   Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a pumpkin spice latte here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, or send us traditional email: Twitter: https://twitter.com/PodPrivacy, #privacypod Instagram: @privacypod LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tietosuojapod/about/ Email: [email protected]

Are you googling me? Stop googling me, Jyri!   In this episode Jyri, Pilvi, and Milla take a look at the latest interesting privacy news. The repertoire includes discussion on what happens when regulation is 20 years late (=personalized ads and privacy issues) in the form of LinkedIn’s 310 million euro fine and NOYB’s Pinterest complaint.    We also fall in love (and you will too) with Germany’s Traunstein Court and their Schrems II case (transfers to the US), where the court gave out a decision that seems to include some common sense (no joke). Do listen in for some statements that will first make you feel warm and fuzzy, smiling from ear to ear, and then break you in the “Don’t do that, Don’t give me hope.” -meme kind of way. But hey–when was the last time you felt warm and fuzzy about a Schrems II decision? We thought so too. We all need this, we’ve been through a lot.    We also rant about the latest “know your sub-processors to the infinity and beyond” EDPB guideline draft and most importantly, Jyri tells you in detail how you can actually get some suggestions implemented in the public consultation rounds (no joke).    So grab your Halloween-candy-flavored-popcorn and enjoy some privacy goodie-goodie! You deserve it and darling, we got you. Did you enjoy our show? Support us by buying us a pumpkin spice latte here: https://bmc.link/privacypod4u We would love to get feedback – so please tag us, follow us, DM us, send us your Pinterest boards, or send us traditional email: Twitter: https://twitter.com/PodPrivacy, #privacypod Instagram: @privacypod