"ETF Boomers" Show Diamond Hands as Bitcoin Slides 40% | Markets Outlook

Moving Wall Street on-chain with Ondo Finance President Ian De Bode. Ondo Finance President Ian De Bode joins Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr on CoinDesk Live at the Ondo Summit to discuss the firm's ascent to more than $2 billion in TVL and its roadmap for 2026. De Bode explains how Ondo is moving beyond simple asset issuance to build a comprehensive on-chain prime brokerage. A key pillar of this strategy is the launch of Ondo Perps, a platform that allows users to trade perpetual futures on equities and commodities using their tokenized spot assets as collateral. By bridging the gap between TradFi and DeFi, Ondo is turning crypto wallets into a place where global investors can access, hedge, and leverage 200+ tokenized stocks and ETFs 24/7. - Timecodes: 01:07 - Ondo Finance 2025 Milestones and Looking Ahead02:28 - The "Land Grab" in Tokenization04:10 - Solving the Retail Demand for 24/7 Stocks06:15 - Why Ondo Perps Is the Big Play for 202607:58 - Will Investors Still Use Centralized Exchanges and Perps? - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr.

Unpacking ETF investor reaction in the market downturn with Bloomberg Intelligence's Eric Balchunas. Bloomberg Intelligence Senior ETF Analyst, Eric Balchunas joins CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie to discuss why ETF investors are staying remarkable steady while the rest of the market panics. He breaks down the "irony" of ETF boomers showing stronger diamond hands than crypto natives by treating bitcoin as a "hot sauce" allocation within diversified portfolios. Watch to learn how bitcoin’s volatility compares to the 22-year history of Gold ETFs and why this drawdown might just be another cycle for the asset class. - Timecodes: 00:56 - The Volatility Cost of "Holy Grail" Returns02:33 - The Resilience of "ETF Boomers"04:09 - What's the Future Hold for ETF Holders?06:22 - Bitcoin = "Teenager Gold"09:06 - The "Hot Sauce" Portfolio Allocation13:00 - Performance of Altcoin ETFs (XRP & SOL)14:59 - The Future of Ethereum & Layer 2s - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

Live from the Ondo Summit in NYC, Pantera Capital Founder, Dan Morehead joins Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen for a special Markets Outlook to explain why he’s more bullish now than when he launched the first US crypto fund in 2013. Morehead revisits his "freaky" prediction that saw Bitcoin peak on the exact day he forecast years prior and outlines the path to a $750,000 price target. He breaks down the recent IPO wave and why the next 18 months will be defined by a massive consolidation of Digital Asset Treasuries. - Timecodes: 1:15 - Morehead’s Rule for Holding Through a "Sea of Red"3:36 - What to Do When Your Portfolio is Underwater4:23 - The Path to $750K Bitcoin5:15 - How the Crypto IPO Wave Returns Billions to the Ecosystem6:08 - Pantera’s 86% Success Rate Over 12 Years of Investing7:27 - The Great DAT Consolidation10:01 - Why This Is Just the Beginning for Institutional Adoption - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Sam Ewen.

Live from the Ondo Summit in NYC, Stocktwits CEO Howard Lindzon joins Jennifer Sanasie for a special Markets Outlook to break down the rise of the Degenerate Economy, where 24/7 speculation has replaced traditional entertainment. As AI and LLMs commoditize Wall Street research, Lindzon highlights how social sentiment has become the last remaining edge for the modern trader. This shift is central to his Social Relative Strength framework for spotting overlooked assets, a strategy he uses to explain why the retail crowd is currently front-running a debasement trade in gold and silver, even ahead of bitcoin. - Timecodes: 0:54 - Defining the Degenerate Economy in 2026 2:45 - The Evolution of StockTwits and Social Trading 3:30 - The Impact of AI on Research and Trading 6:38 - The shift from Globalization to Deglobalization 9:13 - AI Agents and the Future of Retail Trading - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr.

Bitwise CIO Matt Hougan breaks down the 2025 bear market, central banks’ preference for bitcoin over gold, and Solana’s potential to challenge Ethereum's dominance. Bitwise Chief Investment Officer, Matt Hougan joins CoinDesk’s Markets Outlook with Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr. He explains why he believes 2025 was a bear market and where he sees markets going from here. Hougan breaks down why central banks are eyeing bitcoin as a superior self-custody tool to gold, Bitwise’s on-chain yield vaults, and why he's betting on Solana as the challenger to Ethereum's dominance. With President Trump tapping Kevin Warsh for Fed Chair, Hougan weighs in on what this means for crypto. Notably, Warsh is listed as an investor and advisor on Bitwise’s website.- Timecodes:0:53 - Why Are Markets Down Today?3:13 - Precious Metals vs. Bitcoin7:05 - Why the Crypto ETF Genie is Already Out of the Bottle9:15 - Bitwise’s On-Chain Yield and DeFi Vaults13:22 -What Central Banks Are Asking Bitwise About Bitcoin17:44 - How Matt Hougan Thinks BTC Gets to $6.5 Million in 20 Years19:15 - Beyond BTC and ETH: Matt Hougan’s Case for Altcoins21:00 - Solana vs. Ethereum: The Battle for Wall Street24:20 - What Impact Would Trump’s Fed Reserve Chair Nominee, Kevin Warsh, Have on Crypto? - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

SharpLink CEO, Joseph Chalom joins CoinDesk to explain why Ethereum is poised for 10x TVL growth in 2026, driven by RWA tokenization, sovereign wealth migration, and SharpLink’s role as the world’s second-largest public ETH holder. SharpLink CEO and former BlackRock head of digital assets strategy, Joseph Chalom, joins CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie on Markets Outlook. He  explains why he believes Ethereum’s Total Value Locked (TVL) is poised for 10X growth in 2026. Chalom breaks down how stablecoins, RWA tokenization, and sovereign wealth funds are migrating to decentralized rails, effectively turning Ethereum into the "toll road" of global finance. They also dive into the rise of AI agents in DeFi and how SharpLink is pioneering a new institutional treasury model as the world’s second-largest public ETH holder. -Timecodes0:55 - Bitcoin and Ethereum Price Analysis2:41 - Gold, Silver, and Meme Commodities5:30 - Ethereum vs. Solana: The Battle for Wall Street7:24 - The Future of Tokenized Fund Complexes9:05 - Why the Lack of Crypto Legislation Won't Stop Institutional Builders10:29 - Quantum Computing and AI in Crypto17:11 - Sharp Link’s 2026 Strategy19:57 - How SharpLink Plans to Outlast Traditional Crypto Funds22:13 - Chalom's View for ETH in 2026 - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

Kevin O’Leary reveals why he slashed 27 crypto positions to pivot into a massive $70B energy infrastructure play, focusing strictly on the dominance of Bitcoin, Ethereum, and the power required to fuel them. Shark Tank investor Kevin O’Leary joins Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr on Markets Outlook to break down why he recently slashed 27 crypto positions from his portfolio to focus strictly on the "Two Girl Dance" of bitcoin and ethereum, and the massive energy infrastructure that powers them. Kevin unpacks his 19% crypto allocation strategy, the $70 billion scale of data center development, and why he's moving into private debt markets for turbines. Plus, hear his take on why Solana and other altcoins face a "Sisyphean task" to catch ETH, and his bold prediction for the Clarity Act passage by May 15th. - Timecodes: 0:45 - Kevin O'Leary's Acting Debut 2:24 - Bitcoin Outlook 4:02 - Why Kevin Only Holds BTC and ETH 10:40 - It's Just Software" O’Leary’s Warning on Solana’s Narrative 15:30 - Why Kevin Says Power is More Valuable Than Bitcoin 19:30 - Why Land & Permits are the Ultimate Competitive Advantage 25:09 - Will Clarity Act Pass Before Midterms? - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

In today’s Markets Outlook, Etherealize founders Vivek Raman and Danny Ryan join Jennifer Sanasie to discuss why Ethereum is emerging from "regulatory purgatory" and entering a multi-trillion dollar repricing phase. - Check out CoinDesk’s research report on Pudgy Penguins at: ⁠https://www.coindesk.com/research/pudgy-penguins-a-new-blueprint-for-tokenized-culture⁠. - Timecodes: 01:20 – Will The Clarity Act Pass?02:56 – Why the Founders Remain Optimistic on Crypto Legislation04:47 – Why Danny Ryan Left the Ethereum Foundation for Etherealize05:30 – The Institutional Case for Ethereum11:46 – Why the Stalled Market Structure Bill Won't Stop Growth15:51 – $15,000 ETH: Breaking Down Vivek Raman’s 2026 Prediction20:41 – Can Ethereum Handle an Influx of Assets?22:26 – How Institutions Are Thinking About Privacy - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

Challenging bitcoin's safe haven status with Fairlead Strategies Founder Katie Stockton. In today's Markets Outlook, Katie Stockton of Fairlead Strategies joins CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie to break down why bitcoin is behaving more like a risk asset than a safe haven as it hits critical technical support levels. Plus, she explores the potential for a short-term relief rally and explains how to use the cloud model to manage risk during the current market transition. - Check out CoinDesk’s research report on Pudgy Penguins at: https://www.coindesk.com/research/pudgy-penguins-a-new-blueprint-for-tokenized-culture. - Timecodes: 01:09 - Is Bitcoin Losing Safe Haven Status?04:00 - Critical Support Levels for Bitcoin06:48 - Ether Price Targets and Technicals08:29 - What Does Divergence Between Crypto Assets & the Equities Market Mean?09:24 - Assessing the Altcoin Rotation - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

Exploring the memecoin index's ability to gauge the markets with CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr. After a rocky end to 2025, the New Year is off to a fast start with the memecoin index jumping 25% in just five days. In today's Markets Outlook, CoinDesk's Jennifer Sanasie and Andy Baehr break down the return of retail demand, the impact of the October 10th event, and what's ahead for 2026. - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.