Will Luther and Josh Hendrickson on the Future of Bitcoin

Robin Brooks is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Robin returns to the show to discuss his previous appearance in March of 2020, life at a think tank, the changing or not-so-much status of the dollar, Trump’s trade war, the current landscape of geoeconomics and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on August 7th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Robin on X: @Robin_J_Brooks Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:50 - Looking Back at the Pandemic War and Fiscal Dominance 00:07:07 - Robin’s Career: From Wall Street to Think Tank 00:18:53 - The Status of the US Dollar 00:27:28 - The Trade War 00:32:40 - Deglobalization 00:39:29 - Geoeconomics 00:47:28 - Secondary Sanctions 00:55:23 - Outro

Aditi Sahasrabuddhe is a political scientist at Brown University and the author of the new book, Banker’s Trust: How Social Relations Avert Global Financial Collapse. In Aditi’s first appearance on the show, she discusses how central bankers’ relationships in the 1920’s impacted the global economy, how the ending of those relationships played a part in the Great Depression, how we can apply those principles to the Great Recession and the present, and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on July 30th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:50 - Aditi’s Intellectual Journey 00:03:57 - Louis Franck at the National Bank of Belgium 00:05:46 - Relationships and Crisis 00:11:07 - Central Bank Club 00:17:06 - Central Bankers and the Butterfly Effect 00:22:33 - Montagu Norman and Benjamin Strong 00:32:06 - Émile Moreau 00:34:48 - Japan 00:38:11 - Benjamin Strong and the Great Depression 00:48:55 - Great Financial Crisis 00:51:18 - India 00:55:25 - Jerome Powell the Central Banker 00:58:23 - Outro

Will Luther is an associate professor of economics at Florida Atlantic University and a fellow at the Bitcoin Policy Institute. Josh Hendrickson is a professor of economics and the chair of the economics department at the University of Mississippi. Josh is also a fellow at BPI. Will and Josh return to the show to defend the idea of a strategic Bitcoin reserve, discuss the future of Bitcoin, and contend with the problem of Bitcoiners, and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 25th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Will Luther on X: @WilliamJLuther Follow Josh Hendrickson on X: @RebelEconProf Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:39 - Strategic Bitcoin Reserve 00:23:33 - Future of Bitcoin 00:45:07 - Scaling Bitcoin 00:50:46 - Outro

Rashad Ahmed is a former Treasury and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency financial economist and is currently an economist at the upstart Andresen Institute for Finance and Economics. In Rashad’s first appearance on the show, he discusses the real-world impacts of the GENIUS Act, what US stablecoin regulation means for the rest of the world, the state of crypto adoption, and much more.   Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 27th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Rashad Ahmed on X: @VARshad_ Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Bumper 00:00:31 - Intro 00:01:44 - Rashad’s Career 00:07:33 - Global State of Crypto 00:23:48 - Stablecoins and Safe Asset Prices 00:40:00 - Sovereign Default Risk and Cryptocurrency Adoption 00:56:51 - Outro

Paul Kupiec is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. In Paul’s first appearance on the show, he discusses life at a think tank, the insolvency of the Fed, theories on how to fix the Fed’s balance sheet, Ted Cruz’s call to end interest on reserves, and much more.  Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 24th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:14 - Paul’s Career 00:08:12 - Think Tanks 00:10:42 - Current State of the Fed’s Balance Sheet 00:20:22 - The Federal Reserve and Gold 00:23:04 - The Fed’s Unique Accounting 00:39:28 - Ending Interest on Reserve Payments to Banks 00:50:08 - Outro

Check out David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus for a special 500th episode post! George Hall is a professor of economics at Brandeis University and formerly worked as an economist at the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank. George returns to the show to discuss the current fiscal status of the US, how the Big Beautiful Bill will impact the fiscal outlook going forward, the history of running deficits in the US, and much more.  Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 24th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow George on X: @George_J_Hall Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Bumper 00:00:29 - Intro 00:01:55 - Current US Fiscal Status 00:05:45 - What Is Inflation? 00:10:18 - Fiscal Consequences of the US War with COVID 00:23:21 - World War COVID 00:25:05 - Before and After War 00:34:02 - Financing with Inflation 00:38:47 - World War II Period vs. Today 00:38:47 - World War II Period vs. Today 00:44:19 - Who Bears the Fed’s Losses? 00:47:14 - How to Foot the Big, Beautiful Bill 00:52:10 - Outro

Ben Harris served in numerous high-ranking roles as a public sector economist and is now the vice president and director of economic studies at the Brooking Institution. In Ben’s first appearance on the show, he discusses the fiscal health of the US government, including the rising primary deficient, the impact of the Big Beautiful Bill, the proposition of stablecoins and AI as a solution to our debt, his love of basketball and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 18th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Ben on X: @econ_harris Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:01 - Ben’s Career 00:05:18 - Fiscal Health of the United States 00:07:57 - Big Beautiful Bill 00:12:15 - Debts and Deficits 00:14:47 - Costs and Risks of the Rising US Debt 00:37:05 - Stablecoins as a Potential Solution to US Debt 00:41:49 - Debt Ceiling 00:50:02 - AI and the Economy 00:54:58 - Outro

Luis Garicano is a former member of the European Parliament and a professor at the London School of Economics. In Luis’s first appearance on the show he discusses his new book, Crisis Cycle: Challenges, Evolution, and the future of the Euro, the ever-changing landscape of digital money, his suggested reforms to the Euro, and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 18th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Luis on X: @lugaricano Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:55 - Future of Money 00:08:46 - Bank Regulation 00:12:51 - Stablecoins 00:23:35 - Crisis Cycle 00:56:05 - Outro

Mark Blyth is a professor of international economics at Brown University. In Mark’s first appearance on the show, he discusses his new book Inflation: A Guide for Users and Losers, the concept of angrynomics, a new way to look at price controls, demographic decline, and much more. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on June 4th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Mark on X: @MkBlyth Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:50 - Angrynomics 00:03:56 - Motivation for ‘Inflation: A Guide for Users and Losers’ 00:08:27 - Five Things They Don’t Tell You About Inflation 00:14:32 - Good, Bad, and Ugly Inflation 00:18:14 - Interest Rates and Inflation 00:21:33 - Price Controls 00:26:13 - Stories About Inflation 00:35:03 - Hyperinflation 00:42:24 - Pandemic Inflation 00:58:00 - Disinflation, China, and Demographic Decline 01:00:30 - Recommendations for Policymakers 01:02:00 - Outro

Sam Schulhofer-Wohl is a senior vice president and the senior advisor to President Lorie Logan of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. Sam returns to the show to discuss recent macroeconomic conferences in the context of changes in the Treasury market and with central bank operating systems around the globe. Check out the transcript for this week’s episode, now with links. Recorded on May 27th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Bumper 00:00:20 - Intro 00:01:19 - Monetary Policy Conferences 00:03:15 - Role of Nonbank Institutions in the Treasury and Money Markets 00:07:48 - Central Clearing 00:33:19 - Operating Systems in Central Banks 00:49:52 - Outro