Scale Without Standardizing Everything: Barry McGowan on Protecting Culture During Global Expansion

What if the reason you’re not more profitable isn’t effort, but clarity on what to fix next?As CEO of Lavu and the force behind Marty, an AI layer built for operators, Saleem isn’t interested in prettier dashboards or yesterday’s reports. He’s focused on something far more dangerous—and far more valuable: telling you exactly what to fix today to put more cash in your bank account tomorrow.In this conversation, we get into why POS is already commoditized, why most data tools create the illusion of control, and how AI can surface the three decisions that actually move the needle. If you’re tired of tracking problems instead of solving them, this conversation is your wake-up call.To learn more about Lavu, visit lavu.com._________________________________________________________Today's episode was brought to you by Square. If you want restaurant tech that actually supports how you run your restaurant, find out how Square can help at square.com/goodstuff.Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

Running a successful restaurant is one thing; scaling that success globally while maintaining exceptional quality and culture is another. Today, I’m sitting down with Barry McGowan, CEO of Fogo de Chão, to discuss how this iconic brand continues to redefine the dining experience. From bringing a centuries-old culinary art to the forefront, to innovating service models that delight guests and empower employees, Barry shares the blueprint for building a thriving restaurant group. If you’re ready to rethink how to grow your business without losing its soul, this conversation is a must. For more information on Fogo de Chão and their unique dining experiences, visit https://fogodechao.com._________________________________________________________Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

What if your restaurant wasn’t just a place to eat, but a world people stepped into to feel something?Brandon Hoy didn’t set out to build a pizza place, he set out to create a party, a refuge, a piece of living art in a neighborhood hungry for connection. As co-founder of Roberta’s, he tapped into timing, tribe, and a radical commitment to craft to turn a scrappy Bushwick pizzeria into a cultural institution.In this conversation, we get into why community beats marketing, how mythology makes brands magnetic, and why defining what your restaurant means matters more than what it serves. Brandon breaks down the tension between consistency and evolution, and why the brands that survive are the ones willing to move with the wind.If you’re building more than a menu—if you’re building a movement—this conversation is for you.To learn more about Roberta’s and explore what they’re building next, visit robertaspizza.com._________________________________________________________Today's episode was brought to you by Square. If you want restaurant tech that actually supports how you run your restaurant, find out how Square can help at square.com/goodstuff.Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

Most restaurateurs build concepts around a menu or a chef. Justin Cucci built Edible Beats around a philosophy—one that’s challenged conventional wisdom and redefined what restaurant success looks like. From turning historic spaces into thriving concepts to pioneering an employee-owned business model, Justin has proven that restaurants can be both financially sustainable and deeply meaningful. In this episode, we dig into why he bet on an ESOP model, how he scaled without losing soul, and what the next decade of restaurant leadership should look like. If you’ve ever wondered how to grow without compromising your values, this conversation is for you.To learn more about Edible Beats and how they’re reshaping restaurant culture, visit https://www.ediblebeats.com._________________________________________________________Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

I’m Josh Kopel, a Michelin-awarded restaurateur and the creator of the Restaurant Scaling System. I’ve spent decades in the industry, building, scaling, and coaching restaurants to become more profitable and sustainable. On this show, I cut through the noise to give you real, actionable strategies that help independent restaurant owners run smarter, more successful businesses.In this episode, I talk about one of the biggest bottlenecks in restaurant leadership. When your team constantly comes to you with problems but no solutions, you become the ceiling of your business. If everything runs through you, growth slows down fast.I break down what I call the 1-3-1 rule, a simple framework that trains your team to think critically instead of outsourcing decisions upward. When someone brings a problem, they also bring one clear issue, three possible solutions, and one recommendation. This shifts your culture from dependency to ownership.We also dig into how better communication and operational discipline create faster decision making and stronger leaders inside your restaurant. If you want a team that solves problems without waiting on you, this is where you start. TakeawaysDid the year actually pay you or just add stress?January sets the pattern for the year ahead.The 1-3-1 rule encourages independent problem-solving.Train your team to think critically about solutions.Empower staff to present problems with solutions.Effective communication reduces management burden.Operational efficiency is key to restaurant success.Utilize free resources for restaurant growth.Engage with the audience for feedback and questions.Building a sustainable restaurant requires strategic thinking.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Restaurant Challenges02:33 The 1-3-1 Rule for Problem Solving05:23 Empowering Your Team to Think IndependentlyIf you’ve got a marketing or profitability related question for me, email me directly at [email protected] and include Office Hours in the subject line. If you'd like to scale the profitability of your restaurant in only 5 days, sign up for our FREE 5 Day Restaurant Profitability Challenge by visiting https://joshkopel.com.

What if the restaurants you admire most were never meant to be copied?Alex Pfaffenbach came up inside some of the most celebrated dining rooms in the world—Eleven Madison Park, The NoMad, Quality Branded—where ambition was massive and the standards were unforgiving. He saw what happens when lightning strikes. He also learned that lightning isn’t a business model.In this conversation, we break down the difference between managing a restaurant and owning one, why being busy doesn’t mean being profitable, and how timing, capital, and emotional resilience shape long-term success. Alex shares how he blended world-class hospitality with commercial discipline to build Marquette and Argyle without chasing anomalies.If you’re building something that has to last, and not just impress, this episode will recalibrate how you think about growth.To learn more about Marquette and Argyle and follow Alex’s journey as an independent operator, visit marketterestaurant.com._________________________________________________________Today's episode was brought to you by Square. If you want restaurant tech that actually supports how you run your restaurant, find out how Square can help at square.com/goodstuff.Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

Success in the restaurant industry is as much about grit as it is about vision, and few people embody both quite like Peter Newlin. As Chief Vision Officer of the Gastamo Group, Peter has transformed small neighborhood restaurants into a multi-concept hospitality group, all while championing the power of focus and community-driven dining. In today’s conversation, we explore Peter’s journey from outdoor enthusiast to restaurant innovator, his vision for disrupting suburban dining, and the critical role of AI and intentionality in shaping the future of hospitality. If you’ve ever wondered how to build a thriving business while staying grounded, this episode is for you. For more information on the Gastamo Group and their innovative concepts, visit https://www.gastamogroup.com._________________________________________________________Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

I’m Josh Kopel, a Michelin-awarded restaurateur and the creator of the Restaurant Scaling System. I’ve spent decades in the industry, building, scaling, and coaching restaurants to become more profitable and sustainable. On this show, I cut through the noise to give you real, actionable strategies that help independent restaurant owners run smarter, more successful businesses.In this episode, I talk about why most restaurant owners struggle to see where their real profits are hiding. If you are not actively evaluating performance, you are guessing. I break down how to take control of your numbers and where to look first when margins start slipping.   TakeawaysEvaluate if your restaurant year was profitable or just stressful.Join the free five-day restaurant marketing masterclass.The Camcorder Method helps clone your knowledge effectively.Record your processes to improve task delegation.Define the context and importance of each task.Establish a clear cadence for task completion.Create a checklist for quality assurance.Transformative results can be achieved through delegation.Identify tasks you are tired of redoing and record them.Engage with the podcast for more insights and resources.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Restaurant Success01:35 The Camcorder Method for Efficiency06:01 Conclusion and Call to ActionIf you’ve got a marketing or profitability related question for me, email me directly at [email protected] and include Office Hours in the subject line. If you'd like to scale the profitability of your restaurant in only 5 days, sign up for our FREE 5 Day Restaurant Profitability Challenge by visiting https://joshkopel.com.

What if your guests aren’t buying what’s on the menu, they’re buying who you are?That’s the philosophy guiding today’s guest, the CEO of Philz Coffee and the man behind some of the most successful turnarounds in hospitality. After scaling Wingstop and reviving Chuck E. Cheese, Mahesh didn’t come to Philz for the margins, he came for the mission.In this conversation, Mahesh breaks down why culture is the only sustainable advantage, how he trimmed 87 priorities down to five that actually mattered, and the high-stakes leadership moves required to reignite passion from the top down. We also unpack the loyalty trap most brands fall into, and how Philz is turning casual customers into community superfans.This isn’t just about fixing broken brands. It’s about leading with clarity, choosing people over product, and building a coffee shop that everyone has to visit and no one wants to leave.To learn more about Philz Coffee and their community-driven mission, visit philzcoffee.com._________________________________________________________Today's episode was brought to you by Square. If you want restaurant tech that actually supports how you run your restaurant, find out how Square can help at square.com/goodstuff.Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com

What if your biggest marketing asset isn’t your food or your logo, but your team?Mike Smith didn’t build his career by following trends. As the president of Moe’s Southwest Grill, he’s championing a radical shift in how we think about fast casual: less transaction, more transformation.In this conversation, Mike shares why brand is culture, how real loyalty is built inside the four walls, and why treating people like line items kills growth before it begins. We get into hiring with intention, empowering teams to act with personality and how value can still win in a discount-fatigued world.For any operator struggling to balance margins with meaning, this one hits home.To learn more about Moe’s Southwest Grill, visit moes.com._________________________________________________________Free 5-Day Restaurant Marketing Masterclass – This is a live training where you'll learn the exact campaigns Josh has built and tested in real restaurants to attract new guests, increase visit frequency, and generate sales on demand. Save your spot at restaurantbusinessschool.com