Brian Kelly on Church Planting: Teams, Tenacity, and True Success

What does success in church planting actually look like?In this special crossover episode between the Expositors Collective and Cultivate podcasts, Mike Neglia speaks with Brian Kelly about the realities of planting and pastoring a church. Brian brings over twenty years of experience in church planting and mission work across East Africa, New Zealand, and the United States, along with firsthand involvement in multiple church plants and sending many others into ministry.Together they discuss the weight that comes with planting a church, why the language of “planting” is a better metaphor than a startup model, and how pastors should think more like gardeners than entrepreneurs. Drawing on insights from The Pastor as Gardener: A Renewed Vision for Ministry by Matthew Erickson, the conversation explores the slow, patient work of cultivating spiritual growth in a church community.They also talk about the importance of planting teams, the role of families in ministry, the perseverance required to stay the course, and how initiatives like Cultivate seek to train, mentor, and support new church planters.Whether you are planting a church, pastoring an existing congregation, or preparing for future ministry, this conversation offers wisdom, realism, and encouragement about what faithful ministry really looks like.Find out more about Cultivate here: https://cultivatechurchplanting.com/Upcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $140 per person!Register Today!The Expositors Collective is a network of pastors, leaders, and laypeople which exists to equip, encourage, and mentor the next generation of Christ-centered preachers. What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.ConnectJoin our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

Dr Jeffrey Arthurs joins Mike Neglia for a rich and encouraging conversation about preaching, courage, and the freedom that comes from fearing God rather than fearing people.The discussionincludes a striking quotation from Puritan preacher William Gurnall:"We fear men so much because we fear God so little. One fear cures the other."That idea opens the door to a wide ranging conversation about the fear of man in ministry and how a deeper awareness of God reshapes the way we preach, lead, and serve.Jeffrey Arthurs shares insights from decades of preaching, teaching, and mentoring preachers. Along the way he offers practical wisdom on understanding the people we preach to, communicating with clarity and specificity, and learning how different biblical genres should shape the way we proclaim Scripture.In this conversation you will hear about:The difference between fear of man and fear of the Lord in ministryWhy specificity makes preaching more powerfulThe importance of understanding both the biblical context and the congregational contextHaddon Robinson’s Subject/Complement approach to sermon structureThe difference between feedback and feedforward when helping preachers growThe hidden hope inside biblical lamentWhy different literary genres in Scripture should influence our preaching styleWhether you are a seasoned preacher, a young Bible teacher, or someone who simply wants to communicate Scripture more clearly, this conversation is full of thoughtful encouragement and practical insight.About Jeffrey ArthursJeffrey D. Arthurs is Professor of Preaching and Communication at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts. His passion is helping people proclaim the Word of God with clarity, faithfulness, and creativity.His books include Preaching with Variety, Devote Yourself to the Public Reading of Scripture, and Preaching as Reminding. Before entering the classroom he served in a wide range of communication roles including pastor, missionary, announcer, and ministry consultant.Upcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $120 per person!Register Today!The Expositors Collective is a network of pastors, leaders, and laypeople which exists to equip, encourage, and mentor the next generation of Christ-centered preachers. What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.ConnectJoin our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

Cody King is a Bible teacher, church planter and pastor with a passion for expository preaching. He began teaching the Bible in 1998 and graduated from Calvary Chapel Bible College in 2002. He served as one of the founding pastors of Reliance Church in Temecula, CA from 2007-2014. He was the founding and lead pastor of Redemption Calvary in Commerce City, CO from 2014-2022. Cody also served as an Assistant Pastor to support West Church in Bradenton, FL from 2022-2025. He has had the privilege of helping establish and strengthen other church planters and their churches over the years. In 2025 Cody was brought back to Reliance Church where he currently serves as an Assistant Pastor. Cody and his wife Myca were married in 2002 and have four daughters together.Upcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $120 per person!Register Today!The Expositors Collective is a network of pastors, leaders, and laypeople which exists to equip, encourage, and mentor the next generation of Christ-centered preachers. What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.ConnectJoin our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

What does true generosity look like in the life of a preacher?In this conversation, Mike Neglia sits down with Ted Leavenworth of Reliance Church to talk about a culture of generosity in preaching ministry. Rather than guarding the pulpit or building ministry around a single voice, Ted describes a different approach: raising up Bible teachers, sharing opportunities, and intentionally creating space for others to grow.Ted explains how Reliance Church has developed preaching teams that allow emerging communicators to learn, practise, and serve the church while still maintaining clarity and faithfulness in the teaching ministry. The conversation explores what it looks like to mentor new preachers, release gifted leaders into church planting and missionary work, and cultivate a church culture where the pulpit is not a platform to protect but a stewardship to share.This episode also highlights the practical realities behind that vision. Mike and Ted discuss the structure of preaching teams, the benefits and challenges of multiple voices in a teaching rotation, and how generosity in leadership can multiply gospel impact far beyond one congregation.Ted has consistently lived out what he describes here, investing deeply in younger communicators and opening doors for many preachers to grow in their calling. His example offers both encouragement and practical guidance for pastors who want to strengthen their churches by developing others rather than doing everything themselves.If you are a pastor, ministry leader, or Bible teacher wondering how to cultivate a healthier preaching culture in your church, this conversation will give you both inspiration and practical ideas to begin.If you like this episode, then you're going to love this interview with his wife Brenda: https://goodlion.io/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/women-deserve-good-theology-brenda-leavenworthor this older interview with Ted from 2018: https://goodlion.io/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/mistakes-new-preachers-often-make-ted-leavenworthUpcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $120 per person!Register Today!The Expositors Collective is a network of pastors, leaders, and laypeople which exists to equip, encourage, and mentor the next generation of Christ-centered preachers. What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.ConnectJoin our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

Pilgrim Benham serves as the Dean of Students at Calvary Chapel Bible College, now located in Bradenton, Florida. In this role he helps train and disciple the next generation of pastors, missionaries, and Bible teachers, investing in students who are preparing for lives of faithful ministry and service.In this session from the Expositors Collective training event in St Petersburg, Florida, Pilgrim speaks about the vital role of preaching mentorships. Whether these relationships are formal or informal, personal or within a group, he encourages preachers to intentionally invite feedback, guidance, and coaching from more experienced voices. Growth in preaching rarely happens in isolation. It happens when humility meets community, and when preachers are willing to learn from those who have walked the road before them.Pilgrim also highlights the biblical pattern of ministry multiplication. Paul’s instruction to Timothy reminds us that faithful teaching is meant to be passed on from one generation to the next:“You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also" Upcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $120 per person!Register Today!The Expositors Collective is a network of pastors, leaders, and laypeople which exists to equip, encourage, and mentor the next generation of Christ-centered preachers. What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.ConnectJoin our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

What if your role as a pastor is not to produce growth, but to cultivate the conditions where growth might happen?In this episode of the Expositors Collective Podcast, Mike Neglia talks with Matt Erickson about his journey in preaching and how a season of personal and cultural upheaval led him to rethink pastoral ministry. Drawing from his book The Pastor as Gardener, Matt offers a vision of ministry that is both deeply biblical and quietly liberating.Instead of carrying the weight of outcomes, pastors are invited to think more like gardeners than CEOs. Preparing the soil, planting faithfully, watering consistently, and trusting God to bring the growth.Along the way, this conversation gets very practical. Matt reflects on his early experiences in preaching, how his preparation habits have matured, and how a collaborative preaching team can strengthen both the preacher and the church. He also explores how metaphors shape ministry expectations, why seasons matter more than we often admit, and how preaching can move beyond information transfer into genuine spiritual formation.If you’ve ever felt the pressure to make things “work” in ministry, this episode offers a needed reset.🌱 In This Conversation, You’ll Hear About:Why “preaching in the moment” can sometimes reveal a lack of preparationMatt’s growth from unstructured sermons to intentional, week-ahead preparationHow a team-based preaching model can lead to deeper study and more cohesive seriesThe story behind The Pastor as Gardener and the crises that shaped itThe freeing truth of 1 Corinthians 3 - you are not responsible for the growthWhy the gardener metaphor helps decentralise the pastor’s role without diminishing responsibilityHow different seasons of ministry affect expectations, energy, and fruitfulnessThe strengths and limits of the shepherd metaphor in modern ministry contextsJesus as “the gardener” in John 20 and how that image reframes pastoral identityThe importance of the preacher’s hidden, subterranean lifeHow to intentionally shape sermons for spiritual formation, not just informationPractical ways to incorporate prayer, silence, and reflection into preaching🌿 Key InsightYou can prepare, plant, and water with care…but you cannot make anything grow.📚 Books & Resources MentionedBy Matt EricksonThe Pastor as Gardener: A Renewed Vision for Ministry https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802884145/the-pastor-as-gardener/Field Notes for Pastors (podcast)  https://mwerickson.com/podcast/ On Leadership & Spiritual FormationThe Making of a Leader – J. Robert Clinton : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Leader-Second-Recognizing-Development/dp/1612910750 The Critical Journey: Stages in the Life of Faith – Janet O. Hagberg & Robert A. Guelich : https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/311089.The_Critical_Journey🔎 About Matthew EricksonMatt is a pastor, writer, speaker, and disciple of Jesus. Since 2010, Matt has served as the Senior Pastor at Eastbrook Church, an urban, multiracial church in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.Upcoming Training WeekendMay 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaTake advantage of early bird pricing until April 26th – only $120 per person!Register Today!What to expect:In this interactive training weekend, attendees will hear insightful lectures, participate in Q&A panels, meet in small groups with a seasoned mentor, build ongoing relationships, and participate in a studying/teaching practicum.Who should attend:Christ-following men and women of all ages, ministry experience, and church backgrounds who are students of Scripture and desire to grow as teachers of the Word. Whether you’re a regular Bible teacher or have never taught the Bible in a public setting before, this training weekend offers invaluable tools to equip you in your journey.

Mike sits down with Peter Patrick Kenny for a wide-ranging conversation about preaching, preparation, and pastoral ministry. They discuss sermons that cover thirteen chapters and sermons that focus on just two verses, the dangers of over-relying on full manuscript notes, and the habit of slipping into “Christianese” when communicating biblical truth.They also explore tools like discourse analysis, arcing, and inductive Bible study, and how these approaches help preachers understand the text more deeply and communicate it more clearly to their congregations.Along the way, Peter reflects on the ministry of assistant pastors and shares lessons he learned while serving under the guidance of Ed Neill at Grosvenor Street Baptist Church in Dublin.It’s a fun, friendly conversation between two friends that will encourage and equip anyone who studies, teaches, or preaches the Bible.Peter is originally from Co. Tipperary, Ireland and now lives in Cork with his wife and three children. He has the joy of serving as the pastor of Cork Baptist Church, a very diverse city centre congregation that has been in it's current building since the 1890s and in the city for many years before. He's excited to see what God will do in the years ahead as his word is preached.Resources Mentioned: Preaching to a Post-Everything World - Zack Eswine : https://www.logos.com/product/43211/preaching-to-a-post-everything-world-crafting-biblical-sermons-that-connect-with-our-culture  Charlie Wingard's book Help For The New Pastor:  https://charliewingard.com/book/ Bible Arc : https://app.biblearc.com/Additional Resources:https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/review/an-interpretive-lexicon-of-new-testament-greek-beale-brendsel-ross/https://cdn.desiringgod.org/pdf/booklets/BTBX.pdfhttps://www.thegospelcoalition.org/profile/benjamin-l-gladd/https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/preaching-to-post-everything-world/https://www.christcenteredpreaching.com/https://www.grosvenorbaptist.org/Join us for our next Training Weekend May 15th-16th, 2026 at Reliance Church in Temecula, CaliforniaRegister Today! Connect:For information about our upcoming training events visit ExpositorsCollective.com Join our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

In this fun interview between neighbours, Mike speaks with Tadhg O'Connell about lessons that he has learned as a preacher, testimony-giver, camp-speaker, addiction-recovery-activist and community organiser. They speak about neck tattoos, mountain top experiences, caring for the community and more. My name is Tadhg O’Connell, and I have lived all my life in Ballyphehane, a place I am deeply proud to call home. For many years, I was trapped in addiction, living in the bondage of my own sinful desires and feeling completely hopeless, to the point where I did not want to live anymore. In the middle of that darkness, I picked up a Bible and read Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” and for the first time I truly understood that I was a sinner in need of salvation. But I also came to see that Christ had done everything necessary for me to have a relationship with God, as Hebrews 10:12 says, “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.” Realising that Jesus had paid the price for my sin changed my life completely. Today I am a member of Douglas Baptist Church, and my heart is especially for those still caught in addiction. I believe God has called me to remain where He saved me, as 1 Corinthians 7:20 says, “Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them,” and so my heart is heavy for the people in disadvantaged communities  who still feel lost and do not know their lives are valued because they are made in the image of God. I now run an addiction group every Monday night at 8pm in Ballyphehane Community Centre, seeking to bring the light of Jesus into this dark world, sharing the hope that rescued me and giving all the glory to Him.  SAVE THE DATE Our next in-person training event will be at Reliance Church in Temecula, California May 15-16th, early bird registration is available now, save your seat as soon as possible!  https://expositorscollective.org/gatherings/ConnectFor information about our upcoming training events visit ExpositorsCollective.com Join our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

Dr Roy Collins is the kind of man many churches would love to have in their congregation: a retired pastor and professor who faithfully teaches the adult Sunday school class and serves as a steady, encouraging presence among God’s people. His influence is not loud or flashy, but marked by wisdom, warmth, and a long history of loving the local church.In this episode of the Expositors Collective podcast, Dr Collins shares a message on Sermon Prep Essentials, recorded live at an Expositors Collective training event in 2024. Drawing on decades of experience in pastoral ministry and as a professor of Biblical Interpretation at Colorado Christian University, he offers thoughtful, grounded counsel for those tasked with preaching the Scriptures week after week.Throughout the message, Roy reminds preachers that they are called to speak God’s words, not their own. He emphasises the importance of slow, careful reading of the text, encouraging listeners to read and reread Scripture until it has time to settle and shape their thinking. He also highlights the value of humility in sermon preparation, urging preachers to learn from others and to allow their ideas to be refined within the context of the church.At the same time, Dr Collins offers gentle but firm warnings about common dangers in preaching, including the temptation to chase novelty or to elevate “new insights” that have not been tested by the wider church. In a culture that prizes originality and self-expression, he calls preachers back to faithfulness, reminding them that the gospel does not need reinvention, but clear and careful proclamation.Dr Collins is a member of White Fields Community Church, where his ongoing service reflects a lifetime commitment to Scripture, teaching, and encouragement. This episode will be a timely help for pastors, Bible teachers, and anyone seeking to grow in patient study and faithful proclamation of God’s Word.Resources Mentioned: Logos Bible Study Software: https://www.logos.com/ Roy Collins' episode on Theology for the People: https://nickcady.org/2021/08/27/guidelines-for-biblical-interpretation-with-dr-roy-collins/comment-page-1/ConnectFor information about our upcoming training events visit ExpositorsCollective.com Join our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective

Recorded live in Longmont, Colorado, this panel conversation brings together four seasoned pastors and ministry leaders to reflect on what faithful preaching looks like in today’s cultural moment.Dr Roy Collins, Dr Alan Stoddard, Mike Payne, and Bryan Stupar speak candidly about early preaching mistakes, the discipline of reading Scripture carefully, and the practical realities of preparing sermons alongside the many demands of pastoral ministry.The discussion addresses how expressive individualism shapes both the church and the wider culture, and why historic practices like preaching calendars, shared preparation, and confessional reminders help anchor pastors and congregations alike. The panel also explores realistic rhythms for sermon planning, the challenge of information overload, and the value of planning ahead rather than reacting week to week.In the final portion of the conversation, the focus turns to youth ministry. The speakers offer wise and grounded counsel on mentoring young people, cultivating lasting fruit, and remembering that students are often listening more closely than they appear. Rather than chasing novelty, the panel encourages patient investment, faithful presence, and a long view of spiritual formation.This conversation was recorded at a live Expositors Collective training event in Longmont, Colorado aimed at equipping pastors and Bible teachers to faithfully study and publicly proclaim God’s Word in the modern church.Topics CoveredLessons learned from first sermons and early failuresWhy reading whole books of Scripture mattersPlanning ahead with preaching calendarsManaging information overload in sermon preparationStructuring a realistic ministry weekExpressive individualism and its impact on the churchWhy historic confessions still matterMentoring young people toward spiritual fruitThe quiet but real attentiveness of youthAdditional Listening: Alan Stoddard on Ministry Mentorships: https://goodlion.io/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/passing-on-the-baton-preaching-mentorships-and-ministry-training-with-alan-stoddard Mike Payne on Passing on the Baton:https://goodlion.io/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/the-value-of-preaching-mentorships-michael-payne Bryan Stupar on Character in the Ministry:https://goodlion.io/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/why-character-matters-bryan-stuparConnectFor information about our upcoming training events visit ExpositorsCollective.com Join our private Facebook group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ExpositorsCollective