83. Sascha Altman DuBrul: "We are the products of the people who raised us."

Sascha Altman DuBrul is a writer and mental health coach who came of age in the New York punk rock scene of the late ’80s and early ’90s. In this conversation, he speaks with Kendra and Rich about his time in psychiatric hospitals and how those experiences led him to co-found The Icarus Project, a peer-based online mental health resource. They also discuss the concept of centered accountability, as well as Kendra and Sascha’s shared experiences while working toward their Master’s in Social Work, among other topics.Sascha is the co-founder of The Icarus Project, and author of Maps to the Other Side and the forthcoming Dangerous Gifts. He is co-creator of T-MAPs (Transformative Mutual Aid Practices). Sascha's work bridges lived experience, peer support, and movement strategy to reimagine mental health beyond diagnosis. Viist Sascha’s Website: https://www.saschadubrul.comSascha’s Substack: https://undergroundtransmissions.substack.comHistory of The Icarus Project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus_ProjectLearn more about Staci Haines and Somatics: https://www.stacihaines.comLearn more about Jacob Moreno: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_L._MorenoSascha’s Book Recommendation: Lipstick Traces: A Secret History of the 20th Century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_Traces:_A_Secret_History_of_the_20th_Century-In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcas

María Chaos is the founder and driving force of Doll Fest, a femme, LGBTQ+ and POC-forward punk rock fest in Oakland, CA. In this episode, María shares the inspiration for creating the femme-forward festival, how she navigates bands that have allegations of sexual assault against them, her personal experience with sexual trauma, and the power that comes with having a festival built around community.-Visit the Doll Fest Website: https://www.dollfest.netFollow Doll Fest on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dollfest-In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

Carter and Dylann are two members of Operating System Offline, a young band from Rochester, MN. In this episode, Kendra and Rich learn about how this new band has been treated by older members of the music scene, how the band’s upcoming single tackles the issue of child sex abuse and the effect it has on families, how stigmas have changed around mental health over the years, and how police and the justice system treat people differently based on race, gender and privilege.In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

In this episode, Kendra and Rich dive deep into the disturbing allegations against actor and musician Jared Leto. From his rise in My So-Called Life to fronting 30 Seconds to Mars with its cult-like fanbase, Leto’s decades-long pattern of predatory behavior is finally under the microscope after recent accusations from nine women, many of whom were underage when the abuse occurred. In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠REFERENCESNine women accuse Jared Leto of sexual impropriety in new report (The Guardian)Jared Leto Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Multiple Women, Including Some Who Say They Were Underage, as Actor Denies Allegations (People)Jared Leto’s ‘Oscar-worthy’ movie on hold due to allegations: Source (News Nation)The Twisted Cult of Jared Leto (YouTube)Escaping the "Cult" of Mars (Vocal)Jared Leto Is Running a Cult Straight Out of a True Crime Docuseries (MovieWeb)

Oliver is a musician, recording engineer, and sound designer among other titles who joins Kendra and Rich to discuss the parallels between substance use recovery, trauma, and sexual assault and abuse. He also shares his experiences in the hippie/jam band music scene and discusses how the seeds of large scale societal change must be planted in the small underground scenes so they can grow and flourish on more macro levels. In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

Renn is a musician and clinical social worker who has been involved in DIY spaces for years. In this episode, she discusses the ways that being involved in punk rock has helped in her social work role, navigating having abusers present at her shows, and her thoughts on why the punk scene still has such a hard time believing survivors. In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

In 2022, hip hop artist and author Psalm-One spoke to us about the abuse and mistreatment she endured at the hands of Rhymesayers Entertainment, including artists on the label. This experience led her to write the book Her Word Is Bond: Navigating Hip Hop and Relationships In A Culture of Misogyny. It was recently announced that Atmosphere, a Rhymesayers Entertainment artist will be headlining the Minneapolis State Fair, which was attended by almost 2 million people in the summer of 2024. We are re-issuing this episode as a reminder that many artists are able to continue their careers without consequence or accountability, regardless of allegations.Visit Psalm's Website: ⁠https://www.psalmonelovesyou.com⁠ Check out her book: ⁠https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1660-her-word-is-bond⁠If you have been on the receiving end of harm from someone: be it artist, venue owner, audience member, or someone else and would like to share your story on a future episode, please reach out to us at: ⁠[email protected]⁠ Visit our website: ⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠ Follow us on Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠Find us on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠enough. is a feature on Bad Copy:
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RE-ISSUE: Brand New has been on hiatus since numerous grooming and sexual abuse accusations were made against front-man Jesse Lacey. However, in early March, Brand New announced three reunion tour dates. These were soon followed by the announcement of a nationwide tour. In light of the band’s upcoming tour, we are re-issuing a prior subtext episode which outlines the accusations, Lacey’s behavior, and his discusses his blanket apology. "Sic Transit Gloria… Glory Fades" was one of the breakout songs for Long Island band Brand New but it could just as easily be a description of their long running career. The dizzying heights the band had reached in the mid to late 2000’s all came crashing down in 2017 when allegations of grooming and sexual misconduct against singer Jesse Lacey were made public. In this episode Kendra and Rich dive into some of those allegations and how little the music landscape has changed since they came to light.REFERENCES Brand New Band Controversy & Jesse Lacey Allegations Explained (The Direct) Brand New Frontman Jesse Lacey Has Been Accused Of Sexual Misconduct With A Minor (UPROXX) Two Alleged Victims of Brand New’s Jesse Lacey Detail Years of Sexual Exploitation of Minors (Pitchfork) Brand New’s Jesse Lacey Issues Statement Following Sexual Misconduct Allegations (Pitchfork) Jesse Lacey Statement (Facebook) The Story of the Woman Who Accused Brand New’s Jesse Lacey of Soliciting Child Pornography (Vulture)If you have been on the receiving end of harm from someone: be it artist, venue owner, audience member, or someone else and would like to share your story on a future episode, please reach out to us at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠enough. is a feature on Bad Copy: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.thebadcopy.com

Cristy C. Road is a celebrated artist, musician, and writer who has been active in the punk scene since the mid nineties. In this conversation with Kendra and Rich she talks about how music helped her find her identity, the ways that media has normalized talking about sexual assault, and the importance of conversations surrounding cancellation and transformative justice. Visit Cristy's website: https://www.croadcore.orgIn 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠

A lot happened during our one month break in January, so in this episode of Subtext, Kendra and Rich provide a rundown of some of the biggest news stories, including updates on past topics we've covered and a sneak peek at potential future Subtext discussions.In 2025, we are interested in talking to teachers, authors, artists, activists, counselors, community organizers, and anyone else who is dedicated to making a positive impact in their music community and our society as a whole. If that sounds like you, please reach out to us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.Visit our website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.thisisenoughpodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow us on Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/enough.podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch this episode on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@enoughpodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠REFERENCESJay-Z sues Jane Doe weeks after she dropped her lawsuit accusing him of sexual assault (USA Today)‘Sex Education’ Actor Alexander Westwood Jailed For 15 Years After Sexually Abusing Teenagers(Deadline)After A ‘Sex Education’ Actor Was Jailed For Raping His Drama Student, The Survivor Tells Her Story Of Disgust & Defiance (Deadline)Sexual abuse group’s website erases trans people to keep federal funding (LGBTQ Nation)Who is Andrew Tate? The self-proclaimed misogynist influencer (BBC)Love is Blind‘s Alex Was Accused of Inappropriate Relationships With Minors in Resurfaced Social Media Posts (stylecaster)This Love Is Blind Star Seemingly Disappeared Mid-Show Amid Disturbing Allegations (TheThings)