819. The Support Squad Episode 2, with Conor Nickel

"Despite my insistence that 'I can do this,' and, 'I'm fine,' and, 'I've got this,' I don't got this without my people." I'm fresh off my second round of chemotherapy, and am back on the couch recording with friends. This time for chemo, I was joined by my dear friend Conor Nickel, and this is our recap from the day at the infusion center, and the few days we had together. We answered tons of listener questions, and Conor talks about being one of my go-to people throughout all of this.  SPONSOR:  New Balance: Click here to get your hands on the just-released Rebel v5! Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"In life and in marathons, whoever can overcome those challenges the best — it’s not about not having challenges, because you are going to have them — it’s about responding to them, being resilient, learning from them, inspiring other people, and sharing that with others." Jordan Hasay competed at her first Olympic Trials when she was in high school. After graduating, she attended the University of Oregon, where she became an 18-time All American. She immediately signed with Nike to kick off her professional track career. When Jordan transitioned to marathoning, she had immediate success, debuting at the 2017 Boston Marathon where she finished third and broke the record for the fastest marathon debut by an American woman (2:23). That fall, Jordan raced the Chicago Marathon, where she again finished third, running 2:20:57. Now, life looks a little for Jordan — now Jordan Hogan — and her husband, Ryan. They are the founders of Hogan Performance, and Jordan is finding new joy in this chapter of life as a coach. She's also 35 weeks pregnant with their first child! In this conversation, Jordan talks about pregnancy expectations vs. reality, and about whether or not she hopes to someday return to competing.  SPONSORS:  Boulderthon: Join me in Boulder, CO, on September 28, 2025! Click here to register for the marathon, half marathon, 10K, 5K, and kids run, and use code ALI for $20 off your marathon or half registration.  Lagoon: Click here to take Lagoon’s 2-minute sleep quiz to see which pillow is right for you. (I'm an Otter!) Use code ALI at checkout for 15% off your next Lagoon order. In this episode: How Jordan is feeling at 34 weeks pregnant (4:55) How Jordan met her now-husband, Ryan Hogan (16:00) All about Hogan Performance, the transition away from professional running, and why Jordan loves coaching (28:50) On staying connected to the sport after competing professionally (41:00) What Jordan remembers most about training for her first marathon, the 2017 Boston Marathon, where she finished third (44:00) How Jordan reflects on her marathon experiences and how they have shaped her beyond the roads (48:25) On competing at the Olympic Trials while in high school (53:10) Jordan’s pro running highlight reel (55:50) On returning to professional running (59:00) Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"None of this would have been possible if I didn’t take that chance on myself." Caroline Moss has a dream: to run the 2026 TCS New York City Marathon. As a New Yorker, it's her favorite day of the year. The catch: Caroline has never been a runner — until now. In this new series, we're following author, creator, theater producer (check out Dilaria, open now!), Saved by the Bell super-fan, and professional shopper Caroline Moss as she embarks on a quest to start running and run the race of her dreams.  (Listen to Episode 1 with Caroline here.) FOLLOW CAROLINE @geethanksjustboughtitpod CAROLINE'S FACEBOOK GROUP SPONSORS:  UCAN: Click here to get a FREE UCAN sample pack (you’ll just pay the cost of shipping), and use code ALI for 20% off your entire UCAN order. goodr: Click here and use code ALI for $5 off your next order. Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"It was dark, and I remember looking over the ledge thinking, 'What’s down there?' I probably don’t want to know…" Deirdre Keane has never encountered an adventure she didn't want to pursue. The pediatric ICU nurse turned McKinsey consultant is always on the run, whether it's at a world marathon major or it's completing — and winning! — the World Marathon Challenge, running seven marathons in seven days on seven continents. Deirdre's latest endorphin chase: the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon! In this conversation, she talks about the three-week excursion traversing glaciers and mountain passes and, ultimately, an unplanned trek back to base camp. Warning: This episode may inspire you to go do something big, scary, and life-changing.  SPONSOR:  New Balance: Click here to shop the just-released New Balance FuelCell Rebel v5! In this episode: Deirdre’s introduction to the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon, and how she was able to make it happen (4:00) Deirdre’s lasting relationships with her World Marathon Challenge crew (7:30) How Deirdre planned to complete the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon, and what her training was like (9:00) The logistical components of the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon (17:20) Deirdre’s adventures before the ultra, summitting Island Peak (21:45) What it was like seeing Mount Everest for the first time (36:20) All about the Everest accommodations (41:00) Deirdre talks about completing the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon (45:30) On finishing the Everest Extreme Ultra Marathon — and the road away from the mountain (58:40) Deirdre's top takeaways from this experience (1:08:40) What's next on the run for Deirdre (1:10:40) Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"In my mind, I’m not going anywhere anytime soon." It's been a whirlwind week. THANK YOU for all of the love, support, and kindness after last week's "we're due for a catch-up" episode. It's been an overwhelming time for me — but what about for my support squad? I get so many questions from people asking how best to show up for someone going through a hard time, and my team and I have learned a lot about what this can all look like. So for this one, Cousin Jackie returns, and we're talking about what the past few weeks have been like for each of us: the patient and the support person. SPONSORS:  Oofos: The best in recovery footwear! Check out Oofos's 2025 Project Pink collection, where 10% of every purchase is donated to cancer research.  Vuori: Click here for 20% off your first Vuori purchase. Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"I’m laser focused. This is serious." She's the 2018 Boston Marathon champion. She's the co-host of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara. She's one of the most admired, most accomplished, and most respected distance runners of our time, and now, Des is taking it to the trails. After running her final professional marathon in Boston in April, Des's next big adventure will be pacing friend Joe McConaughy at the Western States Endurance Run in just a few weeks. In this conversation, Des talks about what her pacing duties will entail, what training camp was like, and what's exciting her right now.  SPONSOR:  Shokz: Use code ALI for $10 off your next purchase. Code valid in the U.S. and Canada. Lagoon: Click here to take Lagoon’s 2-minute sleep quiz to see which pillow is right for you. (I'm an Otter!) Use code ALI at checkout for 15% off your next Lagoon order. In this episode: What life has been like since the 2025 Boston Marathon — Des’s final professional marathon (2:25) Will we see Des at the big fall marathons? (5:30) Des’s parting thoughts on the 2025 Boston Marathon (7:25) Des’s introduction to all things Western States (16:25) The WSER pacing plan (21:15) Which races are on Des’s radar now (25:45) How Des sees her role in the trail running community (27:00) Des’s pacing resumé (29:20) How much do you know about what that day pacing will look like? (35:35) What Des is looking forward to most about Western States (41:15) The athletes Des admires in the trail world (43:40) The road racing athletes Des thinks we should all be watching (47:25) Some of the key takeaways from Des and Kara Goucher’s Save the 10,000 event — including 1,800 people participating in the virtual event (51:10) Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

“This sucks, and it’s going to be hard, and this is very real. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to stop having fun along the way. So let’s have fun when it feels right.” We're due for a catch-up. SPONSOR:  UCAN: Click here to get a FREE UCAN sample pack (you’ll just pay the cost of shipping), and use code ALI for 20% off your entire UCAN order. Follow: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT: If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"They just want a chance to compete." Yesterday, after much anticipation and speculation, USA Track & Field announced the changes to the qualifying times for the 2028 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. So, what's it going to take to OTQ leading up to LA 2028, and to get to run at the Trials? For women, the qualifying mark stays the same: 2:37:00. On the men's side, things are getting faster: Men will now need to run 2:16:00 to qualify — a full two minutes faster than the qualifying time for the 2024 Trials. In this episode, USATF's Chairs of the Long Distance Running Committee — Kim Conley and Conor Nickel — join the show to explain what what into making these decisions, and what they mean for athletes and fans alike. (Read the full USATF release here.) SPONSOR:  New Balance: Click here to shop New Balance's latest releases for the season. Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"You just need to chill a little bit!" Phily Bowden has a massive following. Whether it's on YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram, there are hundreds of thousands of people watching — and applauding — Phily's every training run, start line, and finish line. The 2:25 UK-based marathoner runs professionally for On, and as she always says, she loves the grind. In this conversation, Phily talks about her experience at the 2025 London Marathon, where she may not have hit her time goal (she hoped for 2:23–2:24, and ran 2:30) but left London with an admirable perspective and some serious mental fortitude. SPONSORS:  goodr: Click here and use code ALI for $5 off your next order. Vuori: Click here for 20% off your first Vuori purchase. In this episode: All about Phily’s workout today (2:00) How Phily’s feeling post-London (4:40) How Phily processes her races (5:45) Phily’s experience working with a sports psychologist (7:35) Phily's relationship with her coach, Jon Green (9:45) What’s next on the run for Phily? (11:15) What Phily’s London Marathon weekend was like (13:55) Phily’s London Marathon race morning (19:30) The pros and cons of being a content creator on race day (23:50) Phily’s relationship with fellow pro Molly Seidel, and how she feels about the Flagstaff running community (25:30) How it felt standing on the London Marathon start line (30:35) Phily breaks down the first few miles of the race (33:25) All about that London heat (40:20) The final 5K (46:20) What it felt like to cross the London Marathon finish line, and Phily’s post-race takeaways (48:30) On growing up as a “cheeky child” (53:40) When Phily knew she could make it as a content creator, and her take on influencer responsibility (57:10) How Phily got her non-running partner, Daniel, to become a runner! (1:02:45) Follow Ali: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT the Ali on the Run Show! If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Spread the run love. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!

"There’s this sense of all these people, they came out to watch you do this weird, crazy thing. And you’re running toward the thing you’ve been working toward for many months, and all of these people are behind you, and people beside you trying to do the same thing. It’s very special." First, Emily Oster started running. Then she started running fast. Then she ran a marathon: the California International Marathon in 2023, where she finished in a Boston Qualifying time of 3:17:39. Now, Emily is officially a Boston Marathoner, having completed this year's race in a personal best time of 3:14:53. In this episode, the economist and best-selling author breaks it all down, including what her training was like this time around, what the energy in the city felt like for a first-time Boston Marathoner, and why she briefly considered calling it quits at mile 23. SPONSOR:  UCAN's MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND SALE: Click here to get a FREE UCAN training sample pack (you’ll just pay the cost of shipping), and use code ALI for 30% off your UCAN order from now until May 26! In this episode: Emily’s snapshot moment from the 2025 Boston Marathon (3:30) How Emily has been feeling since Boston (5:00) Emily’s road to the Boston Marathon, via CIM (6:00) Emily’s impression of Boston (10:15) On hard work, genetics, and human limits (12:30) Emily’s experience training through an icy New England winter, and how this training cycle was different from CIM 2023 (17:30) Emily’s relationship with coach Kaitlin Goodman (20:20) The race plan (23:45) Emily’s Boston Marathon weekend plans (24:25) How Emily was feeling on race morning, and the journey to the start line (35:20) The start line energy (38:35) Emily’s “very specific chunking plan” (40:55) What it was like starting to run the Boston Marathon (44:00) Emily’s take on the Newton hills (50:20) “That was the moment where I was like, I am not feeling good, I can’t believe there are more miles” (53:00) Right on Hereford, left on Boylston (56:25) Now what? (1:00:45) What’s dominating Emily’s inbox these days? (1:04:55) Follow: Instagram @aliontherun1 Join the Facebook group Support on Patreon Subscribe to the newsletter SUPPORT: If you’re enjoying the show, please subscribe and leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And if you liked this episode, share it with your friends!